My reply to Shelly. Please just read this...

[ChristinaBlue]

Before anyone reads this, I'd like to set the tone for this letter. I am simply telling my side of the story, and I hold nothing against anyone :)


And before I go, you all need to give Al a break. Christinablue and Kerri, NOT GOOD.

Guys, the emails weren't legit.

Shelly, I had no reason whatsoever to lie. Neither did Kerry, or anyone else. Those emails were honest-to-God replies from Al. I could post exactly what he said to me again, including the 'properties' that came with them. I'm not sure I could do the same with Kerry's emails, or Lance's, since they may not have them anymore. But I know these guys very well. They aren't the type of people that take the time to write fake emails from someone they know little about. They were most certainly real. I can promise you that.

I can see why you would believe Al, if he is the one who told you these emails were fake, because you trust him. I would too. I can tell your the kind of person who likes to think the best of everyone, I am like that too. And I totally understand that. But let me tell you this, I have precious little time. *laugh* Some people may think I have no life because I have many web sites, but that simply isn't true, I have a very busy life, I just home school, which makes it all possible. I don't have time to think a big lie, or details of a big lie. Not to mention I have moral standards. And to do that would simply be going far beyond what I believe. When I do something, it's because I have a passion for it. Like I have two sites entirely devoted to Christina because she has inspired me so very much! I am an aspiring singer myself, and she is someone I look up to very much. The reason I gathered this petition and made this site, was not for myself. No, I saw many unhappy people who were too afraid to stand up for something they thought was wrong. And that's what made me do it.


Plus, Al had the Xmas page up on time. Yep. Totally on time. It was the server, MusicVision. The traffic was so high that half the people could see it and half couldn't. That's it. Not Al's fault, as well as a ton of other things that you all don't know about from this end. Like for example dozens of photos being sent to us by people saying they are from their own sites and not wanting their names credited. Then we post them as asked and find out other webmasters are ticked off because they say Al stole 'their' photos.

I don't really know who started the whole Christmas page being late thread, but it wasn't me, or Kerry.

We aren't ticked solely because Al 'stole' are photos. I am not stupid, I know it's hard to give credit when someone else other then the original owner gives something to someone. It's happened to me on more then one occasion. But Shelly, you kind of miss the point. Don't get me wrong, I thought Al was the nicest guy for awhile. I've never had anything personal against him. But the fact that he or anything else who runs the official site uses fan content---well, that is just wrong! I'm sorry if no one else thinks so, but that's so not how an official site is to be run! Isn't he paid to get original content? And I know Christina stuff isn't available right now, but nothing would be better then that, I mean come on, please see what I'm trying to say...



I'm not going to get into the entire childish issue. I will only say that I came here with Christina the other day and, from the posts I read, I said forget it. Some of you guys, I think, enjoy being brutal. I think the majority are simply being mislead, but a choice handful simply enjoy being cruel and nasty and love the attention they get from it all.

Firstly, I did not do this for attention. I did it because I saw that thousands of fans were upset. But np one was doing anything. I mean, not to sound conceited, but I have a few popular web sites, I get 'attention' all the time. So much that I get very sick of it. So please do not put that on me Shelly, because I simply did not do it for that. I did this because I felt it was right. And if that's so wrong, then I'm truly sorry.


A couple of times I was going to come here and explain what Al has to deal with and show how mislead you all are. Besides people setting him up with other webmaster's materials, high traffic and problems with servers (not under Al's control) --*remember, we get an astronomical number of hits a day. It's not like a fan site, and it does affect whether or not people see updates*, and disreputable people involved, I figured it just wasn't worth it.


*nods* I quite understand that all. But that's not the reason I gathered this petition. Not because there wasn't much updates, or any such thing, I am a webmaster, I know how that can be. Again, the petition was solely based on the official site using fan content. Not really anything else...anyone else who posted their own different opinions on the matter, well that was their own. I can't control what other people add in...

Bottom line, there are several things kids aren't taking into consideration, but at this point, from what I've read , it's not worth it. If I take the time to explain, we'll get little blingy bling or whatever her name is whining because I'm here at all in the first place and people show me appropriate respect simply as an elder, or else CRL who never seems to want to see anything good or right whether it's there or not, or else some other nonsense will accuse me of something else farfetched on some juvenile hate web site. Folks, it's childish and exhausting. So for those who are sincere, good people, who are interested in the truth, just let me tell you that you need to do a total reversal on your campaign against Al. Al is a good, honest guy who works very hard and is the scapegoat in this nasty mess. And its a shame.

I speak for myself when I say, I took many things under consideration. I thought about this whole thing for so long before I even went on this 'mission' I guess you could call it...

What did I come with? Like I said, I saw fan content being used on the official site, which is SUPPOSED to have original content. If someone else is making a contribution to the site with fan material, it shouldn't be accepted. Because that's just not how an official site is supposed to be run. Then, I saw webmasters seeking credit with proof that the content being used was theirs, and then, they were shot down. I also saw many unhappy fans, the reason that they were unhappy was they were getting false information from the official site. That's not supposed to happen. When I asked Al about these things, he either did not reply, or he gave me legal statements.


This thread is getting way to long, but the point is; I did not lie. I am not a liar, nor will I be called one. I refuse to be accused of something I did not do. I must be honest when I say your post was a slap in the face. I was deeply disappointed. I nearly broke down and cried. I'm not accused of lying much at all. Not to mention the fact that even through all of this, no one gets my point.

I hope you understand, and I hope you'll take this into consideration. I'd also like to ad one more thing. I have never tried to get Al fired. Fans and I simply want a change. And if he'd just listen to us, instead of ignoring us, non of us would be where we are now.

I also need to state that I have heard many Christina sites are closing now. I must admit that I thought of doing it as well. But then I thought for awhile... I truly believe that if you or Christina knew the real truth and whole story, that you would understand us. In fact, I am very sure you would. I know how stressful it is for you Shelly, and I'm sorry. I still love you and Christina very much. Even though I still am sad about all of this, I refuse to think differently about you.

Well, that's it. I may give up the petition in a few days, but I'll have to think about it a lot. I am just truly sorry that it's caused all this tension.

[*~*Urban Kitten*~*]

I see your point Christinablue don't feel bad:)

[EScorpion1777]

I totally agree with everything you said, even though some people will not understand..am in ur side :)

[Rachel]

Please DO NOT give up on the petition, youve worked so hard...and the fans have come far, I know they would be very disappointed.

Dont let Shelly's nor Al's words upset you, they want you and all us to feel guilty but I know your doing the right thing. :)

[AguileraAddict]

.. Double Posted.

[Kerry22]

i gotta say, this whole thing really sucks.. thats why ive been keeping my mouth shut.. but i think everything will work out ok, u just gotta give it time.. Maybe if u and shelly can talk this over thru email or pm's it will be better off so noone sees.

I will say one thing, Christina has nothing to do with any of this. So if anyone decides to stop being a fan, that would be foolish and childish over something like this. Thats how i feel about all this. I think this is all stress not needed right now, for Christina, Shelly, Al and the rest of us.. The holidays are here and we are supposed to be happy. There are more important things going on in this world right now. This really really stinks.. i wish i can say more, but i just cant.. i knew this was coming, i just knew it.

[ChristinaBlue]

Originally posted by Princess Rachel
Please DO NOT give up on the petition, youve worked so hard...and the fans have come far, I know they would be very disappointed.

Dont let Shelly's nor Al's words upset you, they want you and all us to feel guilty but I know your doing the right thing. :)


Thanks so much :) That means so much to me, really it does!

[Kerbear]

Christinaaguilera.to will most likely be closing shortly. I have supported Christina with a website for 3 years now. I started the site because I talked to Shelly a few times and thought she was incredibly sweet. There doesn't seem to be a point to run the site any longer after being accused by her own mother of lying. I told the truth, and I know Christina Blue and MarmaladesMan did too. I caught Al in a lie by a post on this actual forum, but somehow that's being overlooked. But that's ok, I am older, so I can take it.

What has really upset me is that MarmaladesMan is only 13 years old and was insulted greatly by Al, by calling him a liar. Now because Shelly has been misled, he felt the need to apologize when he did nothing wrong. For that, I can no longer continue to run a site for Christina.

I could go on and on about how I feel towards this situation, and explain what happened, but it's not worth it. Besides, I would rather not be accused anymore of needing attention.

[EScorpion1777]

SORRY BUT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE SHELLY DOESN'T CARE ABOUT WHAT WE THINK! If Christina care about us in the letter as she said, why doesn't Shelly do something towards our concerns? we just want a better site for one of the most popular singers in the world. that's all! Otherwise I'll end up my support for Christina, if this behavior continues towards me, as a fan because I will not support someone when I as a fan, don't count in any regards, if a simple request can't imagine more than that..I don't know what to say., Shelly's reply just got me by surprise, am really, really sad.. :( :(

[AguileraAddict]

ChristinaBlue, I'm about all this, but I'm still in total agreement with what you said in your reply, and I know that Shelly will understand.

You said in your reply that
many Christina sites are closing now, I was about to open my Christina Site on the 26th, but now that this came down, I'm having my doubts.

(Btw: Congrats on reaching 900 posts)

[Spot]

....and the walls came tumbling down....

[MF9777]

Now that we got Shelly's response, I wonder what Christina thinks about this topic. :confused:

[Rachel]

I understand peoples feeling but singer21 is right. Christina would be upset if we deserted her as fans just because her official site was functioning right.

u just gotta give it time.. Maybe if u and shelly can talk this over thru email or pm's it will be better off so noone sees.
This doesnt need to get anymore personal. This isnt ChristinaBlue vs. Shelly and Al. Its Christinas website vs. her fans, well the ones that are unhappy with the way its being run.

Im just disappointed because Shellys post was...well it was annoying. It totally contradicted Christinas letter to us, and she just made us feel like we werent worth the time. Maybe if she explained it FULLY we wouldnt be so upset. I know some fans are rude and what have you but the majority of US love Christina, and we want to see see her site run the way it should be.

[AguileraAddict]

Now that we got Shelly's response, I wonder what Christina thinks about this topic.
Exactly 2 days till her birthday too... :(
Im just disappointed because Shellys post was...well it was annoying.
Nearly insulting...[/quote]
It totally contradicted Christinas letter to us, and she just made us feel like we werent worth the time.
She wouldn't have come here if we weren't worth the time. Shelly is known for venting, and this whole situation is IMHO the most tense situation ever. And I think she had a feeling where her most dedicated fans turned against her, betrayl so to speak. I think once shelly gets our messages she'll understand, and things will go back to normal.
I know some fans are rude and what have you but the majority of US love Christina, and we want to see see her site run the way it should be.
I also love Christina and Shelly, and I hate to see the way the official site is being run. It needs to be updated as much as other artists' official sites, and since he's closer to Christina than any of the people he and Shelly put on blast, he should be able to get the exclusive info faster than anyone else.
....and the walls came tumbling down....
I didn't say I wanted the Xtina Center not to open. It's not like everything is falling apart. I just feel a lot less motivated to work on it.

[Kerry22]

u guys are closing fan sites? has it occured to anyone that maybe JUST MAYBE AL lied to shelly?? Please noone hate me for saying this.. but this is so childish OMG!!

[ChristinaBlue]

Originally posted by singer21
u guys are closing fan sites? has it occured to anyone that maybe JUST MAYBE AL lied to shelly?? Please noone hate me for saying this.. but this is so childish OMG!!


Hmm, well, I hate to say it. But I think he did. Or twisted something at the very least.

[~CRL~]

"If I take the time to explain, we'll get little blingy bling or whatever her name is whining because I'm here at all in the first place and people show me appropriate respect simply as an elder, or else CRL who never seems to want to see anything good or right whether it's there or not, or else some other nonsense will accuse me of something else farfetched on some juvenile hate web site. "





i was totally dissed in that letter by shelly as well, funny cuz i dont have a super cool fancy christina site, or anything. - why should i be the scapegoat.

i still back the petition one hundred percent. I am shocked at how cruel she was for mentioning names - and scolding individuals.

[Kerry22]

maybe im wrong about saying this is childish.. but im sitting here reading, ok im gonna close my site, maybe i wont open my site then, and stuff like that.. i think its absurd.. either way it looks bad for christina.. she needs these sites open u guys! her album is coming out soon! and think about it, right now all these fan sites have more info on christina at this point, these sites are where alot of the fans go!! please think about it! stop the petition. drop it. this is what i think should be done.. Christina asked us for our support! can u imagine how crushed she might be. shelly said her and chris were both at LD when the website was updated with the xmas stuff AND THEY SAW ALL THE COMPLAINTS AND LEFT THE BOARD.. Shelly doesnt control that website, she is to busy with her life and the kids, and christina THE GIRL DOESNT EVEN SLEEP!

this isnt the time for any of this.. we are christina fans, who gives a **** what the website looks like.. to be honest, i dont really care that much. i care about her talent, i appreciate her work, i stand by her. i think we all need to look out for her. and by closing down sites, ITS JUST, not good man.. dont do it.. think about it u guys please!! :( :( :( :( :( :(

[EScorpion1777]

I don't want to start conflicts, but If you guys close christina fan sites, where is AL gonna get his stuff from, wait a minute, what if they close this message board, where is AL going to get his articles and news? maybe that's the right thing to do, maybe when theres no christina fan sites, no more publicity and all the work webmaster do, then Shelly will understand and hopefully regret the way the letter was written, imagine how the webmasters felt? what about us the fans? we are just a bunch of looser, and we are not worth her time? we are not worth anything? Did I read Christina's letter the right way? or did I misinterpret when she said, we mean a lot for her, but a simple website request cannot be addressed or even discussed because we are just wrong, am sadddddddddddddddddd :( never, never expected this from Shelly, from Al, of course but not Shelly!

[Kerry22]

CRL u were kinda saying mean things the other night.. didnt u say "maybe i wont wait for christina" i think that hurt shellys feelings.. i think everyone was just in the heat of the moment and it just all came out u know.. i would have cried to if shelly got mean with me.. thats like hardcore stuff right there!

[Kerry22]

oh please.. listen, i know that was directed towards me, let me make myself clear, I DONT GIVE A **** about AL! I just think all this will look bad on christina.. it doesnt seem right to her!! dont get all sarcastic on me, and dont even get me started.. i just want all this BS to end already.. im not gonna fight with u or anyone.. im not out to fight :p

[~CRL~]

Originally posted by singer21
CRL u were kinda saying mean things the other night.. didnt u say "maybe i wont wait for christina" i think that hurt shellys feelings.. i think everyone was just in the heat of the moment and it just all came out u know.. i would have cried to if shelly got mean with me.. thats like hardcore stuff right there!

i did actually cry - i joined the board after shelly left, and i had always looked forward to having some kind of speaks w/ her eventually - and this is how things turned out - i didnt say i wasnt gonna wait, i said i was sick of waiting, but i wasnt extreme or anything

[ariel23]

I haven't been involved in this drama, and intend to stay out of it, but I would really hate to see good Christina fansites close due to it. Kerry, your site is awesome and alot of fans turn to your site for the latest. I understand the hurt that was caused though. Just know that we, the fans, still support your sites.

[Stronger4Brit2]

Im sorry ChristinaBlue and Kerbear, sucks that your called a liar when most likely your not.

Im not bashing Shelly or anything but she couldve handled this a lil bit better than what she said. She didnt have to name names, if she wanted to get personal then I think she shouldve PMed them, and since when did Ilia (BlingmeBabe83) get involved in this?!, he was never involved in this, so that also wasnt right for her saying that hes gonna get in this. I just think shes stressed and maybe she took it out on here without thinking, shes a human she makes mistakes. But oh well.

[Kerry22]

exactly.. im sure shelly is very stressed out right now.. hey we are all stressed out!! u know whats weird.. my name is Kerry too so whenever u guys mention that girl kerry i think ur talking about me!! but i dont own no site so! just wanna make that clear!:D

but i think this will die down.. the people who are involved with this just need time and im sure over the weekend everyone will either will say sorry or just agree to forget whatever has been happening.. and i also think in time all these posts should be deleted.

[Stefani13]

First thing...I think in time, all this will be sorted out. :) We'll just have to wait. I still support the petition and intend to until I see a real change in the official site that I am satisfied with.

Second thing...

Originally posted by Stronger4Brit2
Im not bashing Shelly or anything but she couldve handled this a lil bit better than what she said. She didnt have to name names, if she wanted to get personal then I think she shouldve PMed them, and since when did Ilia (BlingmeBabe83) get involved in this?!, he was never involved in this, so that also wasnt right for her saying that hes gonna get in this. I just think shes stressed and maybe she took it out on here without thinking, shes a human she makes mistakes. But oh well.


I was talking to Scott...and I thought she shouldn't have really named names either. And as you said, it was probably in the heat of the moment and she was pissed and annoyed, so she just wrote that. I think if she were to re-do the post, she wouldn't have included that part. But people make mistakes...

CRL...if I were you, and Shelly named me in the thing...I wouldn't get as upset over it...ya know? So she said something about you...by your posts, she hardly even knows you at all. It's not really entirely fair to judge someone without even meeting them. Again, I think she was just acting out of rage... Don't feel bad about it, man. There's gonna be people out there that say bad things about ya...you just can't let these things get you down.

Now, Denise...about Ilia, haha. :x He had nothing to do with this at all...but, you gotta admit, sometimes he is a lil' harsh when it comes to Shelly in the past. However, recently he has done nothing to warrant the mention in the letter. :)

Alrighty...I'm pooped. :) Let's all turn our frowns upside down, shall we?! :D


P.S. I just sent a PM recently...and I JUST noticed the lil' Christmas lights at the top of the menu bar thing. SOOOO cute!! :)

[EScorpion1777]

Singer 21: It's fine you have a different opinion, and when I posted I wasn't directing the message towards you, besides I didn't even read it, when I went on to type my message, plus I have no reasons to get into an argument with you, I simply have a different opinion on this matter, and just ignoring the problem is not a solution for me, for you it might be, but that's you, not me!

[Stronger4Brit2]

Originally posted by Stefani13


Now, Denise...about Ilia, haha. :x He had nothing to do with this at all...but, you gotta admit, sometimes he is a lil' harsh when it comes to Shelly in the past. However, recently he has done nothing to warrant the mention in the letter.


lol Yep I agree with ya there, hes a lil harsh to everyone though :D

[Stefani13]

Originally posted by Stronger4Brit2


lol Yep I agree with ya there, hes a lil harsh to everyone though :D

:p;) That crazy German!!

It was funny that Shelly thought Ilia was a "she" ...lol.

[The Great Below]

i thought he was too :confused:

[Stronger4Brit2]

LOL, are you serious Daren

[fan_2001]

What Shelly did was just plain wrong. I support all fansites who shut down! Kerry you put your heart and hard work into your site and for Shelly to come in here and rip on you personally was plain wrong. By shutting down you send a message, when you attack the fans you lose them. I hope your happy Shelly. CRL I'm sorry Shelly attacked you. That was rude. This whole site thing is ridicoulous. Thank god Britney Spears' mom doesn't come online to yell at Britney's fans:o:p
-Ricky

[Stronger4Brit2]

OMG you mentioned the notorious two words *gasp*

Britney Spears!

[The Great Below]

yah....it's news to me

[EScorpion1777]

I found your message very clear and got to the point, it's very good that you say what you think, and who cares if other people don't agree with you, I am not a webmaster myself BUT if I was and this would oh happen as I said, is just WRONG! Only one last comment, can we stick to Christina, and not bring Britney to the topic.

[fan_2001]

Originally posted by Stronger4Brit2
OMG you mentioned the notorious two words *gasp*

Britney Spears!

LMAO!! What can I say? I like controversy;):p
-Ricky

[fan_2001]

Originally posted by mario_galdamez
I found your message very clear and got to the point, it's very good that you say what you think, and who cares if other people don't agree with you, I am not a webmaster myself BUT if I was and this would oh happen as I said, is just WRONG! Only one last comment, can we stick to Christina, and not bring Britney to the topic.

LOL! I'm sorry! I'll refrain from mentioning her. I didn't know that people got pissy if I just mentioned her name!LOL! Thanks for the compliments on my post though!:D
-Ricky

[ariel23]

lol, I was wondering why you guys said she involved Ilia, and I was like no she didn't, then I re-read: we'll get little blingy bling or whatever her name is ....

LMAO!!!!!! That is freakin hilarious!!!

Ok, sorry to digress!

**wipes tears**

[Stronger4Brit2]

Originally posted by fan_2001


LOL! I'm sorry! I'll refrain from mentioning her. I didn't know that people got pissy if I just mentioned her name!LOL! Thanks for the compliments on my post though!:D
-Ricky

You would be eaten if you mentioned her name :( mighty tasty though :D

LOL@ Cynthia, Im sure Ilia is gonna be thrilled knowing people here think hes a girl LMFAO

[EScorpion1777]

Don't take it personally, the reason I posted was just to make a compliment, and forget the Britney comment, I am a Britney fan in denial...LOL

[Spot]

Someone brought up an interesting point earlier, if fansites close down, where will Al get his pictures and content from? Maybe he'll learn to get them on his own, just a thought...

[EScorpion1777]

Yes I brought that up, but SINGER21 thought I was being sarcastic towards her message, which I wasn't, sorry about bringin up names, I just learned something from Shelly today................

[~CRL~]

Originally posted by mario_galdamez
Yes I brought that up, but SINGER21 thought I was being sarcastic towards her message, which I wasn't, sorry about bringin up names, I just learned something from Shelly today................

we all learned something about her today

[EScorpion1777]

Not to be mean or anything, but you took one of the worst parts. So I bet you learned....

[~CRL~]

Originally posted by mario_galdamez
Not to be mean or anything, but you took one of the worst parts. So I bet you learned....

huh:confused: explain?

[EScorpion1777]

Just forget it, am going to sleep now, as Shelly said "forget it." See ya guys.....

[Spot]

Originally posted by mario_galdamez
as Shelly said "forget it."

That would be part of the problem here. She might think that if she forgets about it, and can get yall to forget about it, it will all go away. Then Al will just contiue was he's doing and nothing will get solved in the end.

[AguileraAddict]

Originally posted by Spot


That would be part of the problem here. She might think that if she forgets about it, and can get yall to forget about it, it will all go away. Then Al will just contiue was he's doing and nothing will get solved in the end.

I really don't think that anybody's gonna forget about it. What are we gonna do now, it looks like the pettition is being shot to the ground by Christina's mother, someone who we thought would help us out, but looks at us like we are a bunch of idiots, insulting us like we are aren't important.

[Kha]

I have to say I'm offended by Shelly's reply :o I truely didn't think of her reply being like that :o I'm truely offended and I support everything you guys will do, but don't think of the fans site shutting as u r thinking of it, if you shut down the sites, he will always find other ways to get infos, might not be original contents as well. BUT, do it as a way of showing your opinion of the situation. The whole subject is just sad :(

[Catrina]

umm i'm really late but where did shelly post this ?!

[Catrina]

oh it's ok i c it !

[The Great Below]

So who's tellin the truth and who's lying? :confused:

[Catrina]

we may never know !?

[Justin'sGirlUK]

Well from seeing the amout of fans that have been offended by Shelly and have had their material taken and had Al being rude to them, I'd say the official site is the one that is lying.

[Britina]

La la la la la...:o

Don't close down your sites. :( *cries* :(

[BlingMeBabe83]

Wow, Shelly seems to be into this computer stuff.

Some of you guys, I think, enjoy being brutal

YES!

[ChristinaBlue]

Originally posted by Catrina
umm i'm really late but where did shelly post this ?!


http://talk.livedaily.citysearch.com/showthread.php?threadid=156385&perpage=15&pagenumber=5


Just incase anyone else wanted to know...

[Windowsxp88]

Originally posted by Kerbear
Christinaaguilera.to will most likely be closing shortly. I have supported Christina with a website for 3 years now. I started the site because I talked to Shelly a few times and thought she was incredibly sweet. There doesn't seem to be a point to run the site any longer after being accused by her own mother of lying. I told the truth, and I know Christina Blue and MarmaladesMan did too. I caught Al in a lie by a post on this actual forum, but somehow that's being overlooked. But that's ok, I am older, so I can take it.

What has really upset me is that MarmaladesMan is only 13 years old and was insulted greatly by Al, by calling him a liar. Now because Shelly has been misled, he felt the need to apologize when he did nothing wrong. For that, I can no longer continue to run a site for Christina.

I could go on and on about how I feel towards this situation, and explain what happened, but it's not worth it. Besides, I would rather not be accused anymore of needing attention.


Im SO sorry to hear that, it was a great site, but like you said, there is no point. No, Im not hating on Shelly, but i still think that what she said was very rude and there are no excuses for saying what she did, especially how she said it. She can be Christina's mom, but that doesn't mean that I will agree with everything she says, unlike other people....

[Windowsxp88]

Originally posted by mario_galdamez
I don't want to start conflicts, but If you guys close christina fan sites, where is AL gonna get his stuff from, wait a minute, what if they close this message board, where is AL going to get his articles and news? maybe that's the right thing to do, maybe when theres no christina fan sites, no more publicity and all the work webmaster do, then Shelly will understand and hopefully regret the way the letter was written, imagine how the webmasters felt? what about us the fans? we are just a bunch of looser, and we are not worth her time? we are not worth anything? Did I read Christina's letter the right way? or did I misinterpret when she said, we mean a lot for her, but a simple website request cannot be addressed or even discussed because we are just wrong, am sadddddddddddddddddd :( never, never expected this from Shelly, from Al, of course but not Shelly!

OMG! I coudln't agree with you more....maybe, just maybe, it would be the best thing to do, to prove where Al gets the damn pictures from..

[Spydar360]

After the attack of Shelly and the major respect lose I got from her reply. Im thinking of closing my site down to and stop supporting christina aguilera.

[Windowsxp88]

My last reply for this thread :) I will stand behind the petition 100%, like i said before, I wont change my mind about things just because someone told me to do so. Im so sorry Christina Blue and whoever else was invloved in the making of the petition because i know that you were doing it for a good cause...PLEASE dont close it...

[Jorge Santos 4E]

Im still sick and neutral!

goodbye

[Erikaluv]

**** has straight hit the fan. I don't want to get involved, but I will say that I think all parties are wrong in some way. Everyone but ChristinaBlue and Kerber. They have substantial reason to be alittle miffed.

Alot of others had it coming, but it still doesn't make it justifiable nor right.

[Windowsxp88]

ignore this :)

[BonnieM10]

Let her browse the board in peace!

[Britina]

Originally posted by BonnieM10
Let her browse the board in peace!
Amen to that!

[ChristinaBlue]

Originally posted by BonnieM10
Let her browse the board in peace!


This is a little more important then your basic "Hi Shelly!" thread.

[Kerry22]

this is just getting to over the line right now..

[princess4ever]

Originally posted by ChristinaBlue
...official site, which is SUPPOSED to have original content. [/B]

Define Original Content? Are Pictures the only thing that has to be original? The XMAS update has many Original content. From The MP3 to the Letter to the Recipies to the Signed DVDs.

So shut up about it all and just enjoy the new Christina song!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Justin'sGirlUK]

Uh... the christmas update is like the only original thing it's had all year. What does that tell you? The site needs it's own stuff not stuff stolen from a fansite, that's what they mean by original content. It's supposed to be an official site meaning everything it has is supposed to be official. Most fansites are way better organised and have way more content than the official site does itself. That's why people are angry and telling them to shut up is wrong they have a right to complain.

[XtinaBumpNGrind]

Originally posted by Kerbear
Christinaaguilera.to will most likely be closing shortly. I have supported Christina with a website for 3 years now. I started the site because I talked to Shelly a few times and thought she was incredibly sweet. There doesn't seem to be a point to run the site any longer after being accused by her own mother of lying. I told the truth, and I know Christina Blue and MarmaladesMan did too. I caught Al in a lie by a post on this actual forum, but somehow that's being overlooked. But that's ok, I am older, so I can take it.

What has really upset me is that MarmaladesMan is only 13 years old and was insulted greatly by Al, by calling him a liar. Now because Shelly has been misled, he felt the need to apologize when he did nothing wrong. For that, I can no longer continue to run a site for Christina.

I could go on and on about how I feel towards this situation, and explain what happened, but it's not worth it. Besides, I would rather not be accused anymore of needing attention.

as much as i luv ur site, i think closing it is an excellant choice. the comments made by shelly PISSED ME OFF. i havent ever talked to her, nor was i mentioned or attacked in the letter, but i am losing support for christina daily (for the past 4 weeks). CLOSE IT DOWN!! thanks for the past three years of great content and pics! thanks for all your hard work:-) :-)

[Kerry22]

i always thought the reason why the site wasnt updated is cause christina went away for a while.. i do understand why some can be mad, especially the people who work very hard on there fan sites but it seems like noone really knows the whole story here.. something isnt making sense..

[christina's_no1]

Please DON'T give up on the petition and your sites!

I agree with the majority of people, and I am still 100% behind everything

I really feel shocked, and saddened at the things that Shelly has said. I really respected Shelly, but I have lost most of the respect for her now. I can't believe she basically told us we were wrong and were acting stupidly. I really am sad, I thought Shelly would be with us, not against us :(

I will still love Christina no matter what happens!

[ShellyKearns]

Now do you guys see what I mean? If I give my opinion, just like all of you do here every single day (and in a heck of a lot more nasty way than I did!), and it's not what you all expected, then I am "attacking", "rude", etc etc etc. I told you so!

But why? I mean, if you all are honest, I just said the exact type of thing all of you do here every single day. And you all mention names constantly! I guess I'm not allowed to say if someone hurts me or not. Just you all can do that.

Geez.....My post was rude because I named 2 names?? I just happened to mention one person who boldly never tries to hide his hatred for me in the least, and says thing like how I'm only here because I'm trying to..what was it?..ride Christina's coat-tails to fame or some nonsense he read in the German press...not to mention a person who has constant attitude--often aimed dead at me with no respect---all the time. That hurts me!! Hello! He doesn't know me, but often made it a point to be disrespectful to me and hurt me. Why is that okay for him to do, but then not not okay for me to point out? Interesting....

And I knew that I was about to make a point that went against the 'popular flow' here, so people like this might use it to attack even worse than in the past when I said nothing to him to provoke it. Turns out he didn't have to! You all beat him to it! *lol*

And CRL, I didn't mean to hurt you but gee whiz! Have you read your own posts lately? I honestly began to think that no matter what we did, you had basically dug your feet in the ground and crossed your arms and refused to be positive or happy about anything. Just read your posts! So in a moment of exhaustion, I pointed that out. Why, might I ask, is that so, so rude? You would have thought I'd called him an ax murderer, when all I said was that I didn't think he/she would have anything nice to say given the mood of his/her posts. No, I didn't sugar coat anything, but wow, neither did he/she. I wasn't overly nasty, either though.

So we're here with all these expectations again. I am supposed to be "above" that then, right? So just because I'm her mom, I can't actually get upset or lose my temper when I see things that are not nice or that are wrong? Well trust me, if you were on this end, most of you guys would have lost it long ago.
I am human, and disrespect and negativity in the extreme, gets old and hurts me too, just like all of you get hurt. Except that it hurts me even more just because of the constant--and I mean constant--attacks that wear us down daily just being in the public eye. You guys are just exposed to it a little while online. I live it. For us, things here are what the press grabs it and keeps alive in my life whereas you guys just stand up, shut off the computer, and continue your anonymous lives.

What does that have to do with this whole thing? Everything! It makes you put things into perspective. You learn to choose which battles truly are worthwhile battles, and which ones simply hurt people unnecessarily. When you are constantly waging war to fight for big things, honesty being one of them, and your life is filled with such things, then it is easy to see when something is not as 'evil' or huge as others make it out to be. It doesn't make you heartless or unsupportive. It just means you are trying to help others put things into perspective and stop badgering people over something that does not warrant that level of anger!
Of course as a result, you leave yourself open for personal attack if you voice an opinion contrary to the popular one.

It's hard to see that no matter what good you fight for or get done, you still get the tons of complaints and nastiness. And if you are honest and speak up, you're bashed for that, too--even if you have more information on the truths behind issues than the people doing the fist waving and yelling. I have sat by and not said much about this simply because I recognized the 'steam' that has built up around this issue as the type that means that no matter what I say, no matter how many pages of insight and proof, this has now become a 'cause'...a mission. People are not going to like the truth, and they aren't going to listen, and sharing info with them might pop their bubble and end up creating a war instead of opening eyes. So..I remained quiet. I was right, so it seems. That is still why I remain quiet with the info until people get a bit more ..well...civil. Until then, it would be a waste of breath!

And Christinablue and Kerri, I never said anything bad about you, your character, etc. Everyone here just panicked and jumped on the bandwagon to defend, when all I said was "not good". Yet here I read whole threads about how I accused you of being liars, how I attacked your character, etc. I even read one post that accused me of 'passing judgement' on you guys when I didn't even know you. Passing judgement? What the...?

All I did was say "not good", and point out about the emails.
And as for the emails, it was pointed out to me several times on this end that they were false. All I am doing is passing along information. It's not the info that you guys wanted, though, so I'm afraid that this made me a target.

The problem here isn't in my post, if you all will stop panicking long enough to think this through. The problem lies in the fact that you all felt like you were doing something noble and on sort of a mission to 'defeat the bad guy', so to speak. A cause that was important to you. You expected me to be applauding you, and then were hurt and disappointed when you found out that I didn't do the "popular thing" and I, instead, simply pointed out that Al was not this evil bad guy...that there was more to this whole thing than you all know. That's all!

You see, all of you here--all of you---are safe. You sit behind your computers and type whatever you wish --even attacking each other, which I've read a billion times here. And then when you're done, you sign off and go live your lives without what anything that was said having affected it.

Me, on the other hand....everything here and everywhere else effects my life. You say something to me, and I don't have the freedom to just spit out whatever I'm thinking. Even in my vents, I must word things carefully. Why? Because every word you say, and especially every word that I say, usually ends up on ABC.com (did you guys even realize this?) or twisted into something unrecognizable in some tabloid. Do you realize how many reporters are reading about all this childish nonsense just as you are?

But this time, for once, I actually got tired enough to act like you all do here on a daily basis. And I even told you to start with that I give up because I knew that as soon as you realized I wasn't supportive of the petition, you all would turn and the attack would blindly begin. I would just be voicing my opinion, and be crucified for it. I don't have the same rights as all of you? I am expected to 'soften' everything, even when I feel you all have gotten so out of hand...yet I don't have the strength to explain the whole thing to you all. Just because I know it'll go in one ear and out the other. It's not right.

My post was not rude. It was honest. You guys simply read it in the light of people who had false expectations, and were disappointed when I burst your bubble and didn't feel the way you all wanted me to feel. That instantly makes me rude and in a sense, disloyal. Well no..it doesn't. I'm just as loyal to you all as I've always been.

Christinablue, Kerri, I have nothing against you. I want to talk privately with you, however. I have information that my friend Lynne Spears had this same problem. Christinablue, I want to speak to you privately concerning this matter. You see, contrary to popular belief, I'm not 'out to get you'. Otherwise, rather than trying to be tactful in my last post by saying there are things people don't know and information they are missing, I could just publicly post it. But I respect you enough to not do that. I will verfiy all of this with you first.

As for the rest of this ridiculous mess, I am caught in the middle, and therefore remove myself. Kill each other and Al verbally if you wish, but in the future if facts come out, don't say I didn't speak up to warn you.

People, all I know is that the bickering here gets so insanely childish that it's sickening to read for people on the outside who are calm and informed and not directly involved. Now if the people trying to point this out to you get attacked, that is even more sad.

I want to thank a couple of you for keeping a fair, level head and trying, too, to get people to see things clearly, rather than emotionally.

Again, I didn't mean to offend anyone here by typing the words "not good", or by anything else. .

I hope this helps to clear up some things for some of you.
God bless and Merry Christmas (hint hint nudge nudge!)

[Britina]

I agree with Shelly. :o

Everyone here reads too far into things. Everyone here thinks they're right 24/7. Everyone here attacks when something harmless is said.

Shelly was just stating her opinion...and ya'll blew up at her.

[*~*Urban Kitten*~*]

It totally contradicted Christinas letter to us, and she just made us feel like we werent worth the time. Maybe if she explained it FULLY we wouldnt be so upset. I know some fans are rude and what have you but the majority of US love Christina, and we want to see see her site run the way it should be.

I hate to say it but I completely agree.:(

[christina's_no1]

Shelly, you had a lot of good points in that letter, and I think that it opened my eyes a little bit more.

The reason I am getting angry is just bacause I see stuff on the 'Official' site that has been taken from fansites. I do not see that this is right. If Al or somebody would explain, then maybe I could understand more.

I was just shocked at the way you said it was not true, and that we should move on.

No matter what happens, I will always love your daughter! :)

[Spydar360]

I think we just all want to support Christina Aguilera and not fight. This however has gotten out of hand I admit, and well in light of the situation I feel it wasn’t necessary that the problems were dealt on LD, which should of been in emails. But I knew the position Shelly was in. We all wanted answers and doing this publicly wasn’t right. This would have never escalated as big as it was. I hate to close my website in support of Christina Aguilera, since well I love the Girl. She always captured my heart in her music and always will.

I still think Al Gomes could have done a more tentative work with exclusive materials.

[ShellyKearns]

Thanks so much for understanding, you guys. I feel caught in the middle and after reading all the fighting and meanness, ugh....it was just so sad.

It's Christmas! Can't we all move on and be happy? Surely there's a way to communicate with Al that is healthier than all this, isn't there?

Either way, just know that I love you guys dearly. Always have...always will.

:)

[Justin'sGirlUK]

There were some really good points in Shelly's post but still Al has been rude to fans on here. If he would come here and talk to those who feel their material has been taken without permission instead of firing back rude comments, this would get sorted much easier. Yes fans on here can be rude, but that doesn't mean Al has to sink down to that level himself. There are fans, not just here either who are very disappointed with what has recently happened. I also feel it was rude for those who were called liars, they have no reason to lie, there's far too many this has happened to for them all to have lied. There just needs to be one big talk which Shelly has asked for and I hope those will participate with, so we can get this sorted once and for all.

Please know, I'm not being hateful to you Shelly, just this has been going on a long time and people are upset.

[jerete]

Thanks for clarifying(or however you spell that word) things for us Shelly :)
and now that you mention you loving us...does Christina loves us too? well I know she does but do you think she loves me? I'm single you know :p
LOL ok, since I have nothing more intelligent to say I'm out of this thread but not before I wish you all a merry x-mas

Merry x-mas everyone! :D

[PedroPicapiedra]

Well, I agree with what Shelly said. It makes you think about all of the information that we don't have access to, and about the other side of the story (something we really havent considered).

And for those who are surprised by her frustratrion, just go back and read most of the posts for the evening when the Christmas with Christina page was a little late. A lot of the posts were really rude and unnecessary. That's the main reason why I dont have many posts on this board. I have been visiting here everyday since last March, but a lot of what goes on here can be called.....childish.

[Fil]

Love you too Shelly, merry Christmas, oh...wait, it's Christina's birthday first! Congatulations also then!!!

[Spydar360]

Ed get on AIM, i need to speak to you privately about something. Nothing having to do with this post btw for all you wondering eyes.

[christina's_no1]

I know how you must feel Shelly.

I think we can move on, but we need to be able to speak with Al, and not just ignore what a lot of people see as a problem.

LOL @ Ed :p

I hope Christina has a brilliant birthday, and you all have a great xmas! :)

[ShellyKearns]

Hey you guys, do you want me to set up a live chat with Al? I could be on too, to oversee everything.....sort of like a conference call but online. :)

Would that help?

[jerete]

Oh great idea! That would be cool! :)

[*~*Urban Kitten*~*]

I personally think that would help straighten some things out. I don't really know whos side I'm on anymore and honestly I dont want to have to pick sides! Shelly I see your points,and I also see Christinablues,maybe a chat with Al would help out.

[Catrina]

that'd be really good ... yeah ... but make sure you do oversee everything 1st so that people don't get rude or anything ! :)

[Justin'sGirlUK]

Hey! That would be good. That way everything should be sorted out. Those upset, could express their opinions to Al, and he could try to explain what exactly he is trying to do. So both sides could have their say. As long as both sides don't start shooting their mouth off at eachother everything would be fine. Then this chapter might close.

Shelly you'd definitely have to be there though, just to try and keep the peace.

[christina's_no1]

That is a great idea Shelly. But I know there are a lot of people on here that are REALLY angry, so I think it has to be made clear that there should be NO rudeness!

[Kerry22]

oh geez thanks, i was tryin to make everyone stop fighting last night and tryin to calm things down by saying its the holidays and we should be happy.. AND NOONE LISTENED.. then shelly comes here and does the same thing AND EVERYONE IS FINE NOW! NO FAIR! lol im so kidding..

see i said it last night everything will be ok.. u gotta love this though, its like family fighting and bickering, sometimes its insane but then its just really cute when it ends! im glad to see everyone coming to grips and just opening their eyes just a little. hey things happen u know? and shelly i told understand where ur coming from. christina is ur baby and of course alot of stuff on here hurts ur feelings.. ur post made my heart stop when u were saying its hard living in all this u know? you guys are the only ones who really know how it feels, but what u go thru makes u so much stronger.. maybe soon when everyone thinks about these posts we can laugh about it.. the ups and downs of live daily! :D

[Kerbear]

How do I go about contacting Shelly privately?

[Spydar360]

Originally posted by singer21
oh geez thanks, i was tryin to make everyone stop fighting last night and tryin to calm things down by saying its the holidays and we should be happy.. AND NOONE LISTENED.. then shelly comes here and does the same thing AND EVERYONE IS FINE NOW! NO FAIR! lol im so kidding..

see i said it last night everything will be ok.. u gotta love this though, its like family fighting and bickering, sometimes its insane but then its just really cute when it ends! im glad to see everyone coming to grips and just opening their eyes just a little. hey things happen u know? and shelly i told understand where ur coming from. christina is ur baby and of course alot of stuff on here hurts ur feelings.. ur post made my heart stop when u were saying its hard living in all this u know? you guys are the only ones who really know how it feels, but what u go thru makes u so much stronger.. maybe soon when everyone thinks about these posts we can laugh about it.. the ups and downs of live daily! :D

do you remember me Kerry!!! ;) or did ya forget last night? :p:o

[Jorge Santos 4E]

sure! what the heck! why not?

[carolina6462]

I think a chat would help. These past weeks I havent really posted but I've been reading all that has been going on and I think if everyone could talk about it with you being there Mrs. Kearns it would help a lot.
P.S. Hi Mrs. Kearns! I miss you!

[pop_princess123]

That's a great idea, Shelly. Like I said before, the whole situation has nothing to do with you, so don't feel like everyone's mad at you. (I"m sure some are, but don't worry about them. ;) ) Anyways, I'm sorry you feel like you're in the middle, and I know how you feel. Thanks for even caring about us, and I hope you get things worked out with Christina (blue) and Kerry. :)

[Auntie C]

Shelly, I think that chat thingy is a GREAT Idea! I Know alot of us have questions for Al but we just dont know how to ask him correctly. I would love it if we had something like that.

Thank you!
Love,
Brittany

[Windowsxp88]

Shelly i must apologize for my rudeness towards you on my other posts (after you posted on the record deal thread). Like you said, there is a lot of information that we do not know, iand i understand why you werent willing to tell us? Who would listen? I really hope you accept my apology...BTW that live chat idea with Al sounds very very cool...Thanks so much Shelly..Love ya and Christina :)

[Kerry22]

yes i remember u from last night!! hahaha..