My reply to Shelly. Please just read this...

[ChristinaBlue]

Before anyone reads this, I'd like to set the tone for this letter. I am simply telling my side of the story, and I hold nothing against anyone :)


And before I go, you all need to give Al a break. Christinablue and Kerri, NOT GOOD.

Guys, the emails weren't legit.

Shelly, I had no reason whatsoever to lie. Neither did Kerry, or anyone else. Those emails were honest-to-God replies from Al. I could post exactly what he said to me again, including the 'properties' that came with them. I'm not sure I could do the same with Kerry's emails, or Lance's, since they may not have them anymore. But I know these guys very well. They aren't the type of people that take the time to write fake emails from someone they know little about. They were most certainly real. I can promise you that.

I can see why you would believe Al, if he is the one who told you these emails were fake, because you trust him. I would too. I can tell your the kind of person who likes to think the best of everyone, I am like that too. And I totally understand that. But let me tell you this, I have precious little time. *laugh* Some people may think I have no life because I have many web sites, but that simply isn't true, I have a very busy life, I just home school, which makes it all possible. I don't have time to think a big lie, or details of a big lie. Not to mention I have moral standards. And to do that would simply be going far beyond what I believe. When I do something, it's because I have a passion for it. Like I have two sites entirely devoted to Christina because she has inspired me so very much! I am an aspiring singer myself, and she is someone I look up to very much. The reason I gathered this petition and made this site, was not for myself. No, I saw many unhappy people who were too afraid to stand up for something they thought was wrong. And that's what made me do it.


Plus, Al had the Xmas page up on time. Yep. Totally on time. It was the server, MusicVision. The traffic was so high that half the people could see it and half couldn't. That's it. Not Al's fault, as well as a ton of other things that you all don't know about from this end. Like for example dozens of photos being sent to us by people saying they are from their own sites and not wanting their names credited. Then we post them as asked and find out other webmasters are ticked off because they say Al stole 'their' photos.

I don't really know who started the whole Christmas page being late thread, but it wasn't me, or Kerry.

We aren't ticked solely because Al 'stole' are photos. I am not stupid, I know it's hard to give credit when someone else other then the original owner gives something to someone. It's happened to me on more then one occasion. But Shelly, you kind of miss the point. Don't get me wrong, I thought Al was the nicest guy for awhile. I've never had anything personal against him. But the fact that he or anything else who runs the official site uses fan content---well, that is just wrong! I'm sorry if no one else thinks so, but that's so not how an official site is to be run! Isn't he paid to get original content? And I know Christina stuff isn't available right now, but nothing would be better then that, I mean come on, please see what I'm trying to say...



I'm not going to get into the entire childish issue. I will only say that I came here with Christina the other day and, from the posts I read, I said forget it. Some of you guys, I think, enjoy being brutal. I think the majority are simply being mislead, but a choice handful simply enjoy being cruel and nasty and love the attention they get from it all.

Firstly, I did not do this for attention. I did it because I saw that thousands of fans were upset. But np one was doing anything. I mean, not to sound conceited, but I have a few popular web sites, I get 'attention' all the time. So much that I get very sick of it. So please do not put that on me Shelly, because I simply did not do it for that. I did this because I felt it was right. And if that's so wrong, then I'm truly sorry.


A couple of times I was going to come here and explain what Al has to deal with and show how mislead you all are. Besides people setting him up with other webmaster's materials, high traffic and problems with servers (not under Al's control) --*remember, we get an astronomical number of hits a day. It's not like a fan site, and it does affect whether or not people see updates*, and disreputable people involved, I figured it just wasn't worth it.


*nods* I quite understand that all. But that's not the reason I gathered this petition. Not because there wasn't much updates, or any such thing, I am a webmaster, I know how that can be. Again, the petition was solely based on the official site using fan content. Not really anything else...anyone else who posted their own different opinions on the matter, well that was their own. I can't control what other people add in...

Bottom line, there are several things kids aren't taking into consideration, but at this point, from what I've read , it's not worth it. If I take the time to explain, we'll get little blingy bling or whatever her name is whining because I'm here at all in the first place and people show me appropriate respect simply as an elder, or else CRL who never seems to want to see anything good or right whether it's there or not, or else some other nonsense will accuse me of something else farfetched on some juvenile hate web site. Folks, it's childish and exhausting. So for those who are sincere, good people, who are interested in the truth, just let me tell you that you need to do a total reversal on your campaign against Al. Al is a good, honest guy who works very hard and is the scapegoat in this nasty mess. And its a shame.

I speak for myself when I say, I took many things under consideration. I thought about this whole thing for so long before I even went on this 'mission' I guess you could call it...

What did I come with? Like I said, I saw fan content being used on the official site, which is SUPPOSED to have original content. If someone else is making a contribution to the site with fan material, it shouldn't be accepted. Because that's just not how an official site is supposed to be run. Then, I saw webmasters seeking credit with proof that the content being used was theirs, and then, they were shot down. I also saw many unhappy fans, the reason that they were unhappy was they were getting false information from the official site. That's not supposed to happen. When I asked Al about these things, he either did not reply, or he gave me legal statements.


This thread is getting way to long, but the point is; I did not lie. I am not a liar, nor will I be called one. I refuse to be accused of something I did not do. I must be honest when I say your post was a slap in the face. I was deeply disappointed. I nearly broke down and cried. I'm not accused of lying much at all. Not to mention the fact that even through all of this, no one gets my point.

I hope you understand, and I hope you'll take this into consideration. I'd also like to ad one more thing. I have never tried to get Al fired. Fans and I simply want a change. And if he'd just listen to us, instead of ignoring us, non of us would be where we are now.

I also need to state that I have heard many Christina sites are closing now. I must admit that I thought of doing it as well. But then I thought for awhile... I truly believe that if you or Christina knew the real truth and whole story, that you would understand us. In fact, I am very sure you would. I know how stressful it is for you Shelly, and I'm sorry. I still love you and Christina very much. Even though I still am sad about all of this, I refuse to think differently about you.

Well, that's it. I may give up the petition in a few days, but I'll have to think about it a lot. I am just truly sorry that it's caused all this tension.

[*~*Urban Kitten*~*]

I see your point Christinablue don't feel bad:)

[EScorpion1777]

I totally agree with everything you said, even though some people will not understand..am in ur side :)

[Rachel]

Please DO NOT give up on the petition, youve worked so hard...and the fans have come far, I know they would be very disappointed.

Dont let Shelly's nor Al's words upset you, they want you and all us to feel guilty but I know your doing the right thing. :)

[AguileraAddict]

.. Double Posted.

[Kerry22]

i gotta say, this whole thing really sucks.. thats why ive been keeping my mouth shut.. but i think everything will work out ok, u just gotta give it time.. Maybe if u and shelly can talk this over thru email or pm's it will be better off so noone sees.

I will say one thing, Christina has nothing to do with any of this. So if anyone decides to stop being a fan, that would be foolish and childish over something like this. Thats how i feel about all this. I think this is all stress not needed right now, for Christina, Shelly, Al and the rest of us.. The holidays are here and we are supposed to be happy. There are more important things going on in this world right now. This really really stinks.. i wish i can say more, but i just cant.. i knew this was coming, i just knew it.

[ChristinaBlue]

Originally posted by Princess Rachel
Please DO NOT give up on the petition, youve worked so hard...and the fans have come far, I know they would be very disappointed.

Dont let Shelly's nor Al's words upset you, they want you and all us to feel guilty but I know your doing the right thing. :)


Thanks so much :) That means so much to me, really it does!

[Kerbear]

Christinaaguilera.to will most likely be closing shortly. I have supported Christina with a website for 3 years now. I started the site because I talked to Shelly a few times and thought she was incredibly sweet. There doesn't seem to be a point to run the site any longer after being accused by her own mother of lying. I told the truth, and I know Christina Blue and MarmaladesMan did too. I caught Al in a lie by a post on this actual forum, but somehow that's being overlooked. But that's ok, I am older, so I can take it.

What has really upset me is that MarmaladesMan is only 13 years old and was insulted greatly by Al, by calling him a liar. Now because Shelly has been misled, he felt the need to apologize when he did nothing wrong. For that, I can no longer continue to run a site for Christina.

I could go on and on about how I feel towards this situation, and explain what happened, but it's not worth it. Besides, I would rather not be accused anymore of needing attention.

[EScorpion1777]

SORRY BUT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE SHELLY DOESN'T CARE ABOUT WHAT WE THINK! If Christina care about us in the letter as she said, why doesn't Shelly do something towards our concerns? we just want a better site for one of the most popular singers in the world. that's all! Otherwise I'll end up my support for Christina, if this behavior continues towards me, as a fan because I will not support someone when I as a fan, don't count in any regards, if a simple request can't imagine more than that..I don't know what to say., Shelly's reply just got me by surprise, am really, really sad.. :( :(

[AguileraAddict]

ChristinaBlue, I'm about all this, but I'm still in total agreement with what you said in your reply, and I know that Shelly will understand.

You said in your reply that
many Christina sites are closing now, I was about to open my Christina Site on the 26th, but now that this came down, I'm having my doubts.

(Btw: Congrats on reaching 900 posts)

[Spot]

....and the walls came tumbling down....

[MF9777]

Now that we got Shelly's response, I wonder what Christina thinks about this topic. :confused:

[Rachel]

I understand peoples feeling but singer21 is right. Christina would be upset if we deserted her as fans just because her official site was functioning right.

u just gotta give it time.. Maybe if u and shelly can talk this over thru email or pm's it will be better off so noone sees.
This doesnt need to get anymore personal. This isnt ChristinaBlue vs. Shelly and Al. Its Christinas website vs. her fans, well the ones that are unhappy with the way its being run.

Im just disappointed because Shellys post was...well it was annoying. It totally contradicted Christinas letter to us, and she just made us feel like we werent worth the time. Maybe if she explained it FULLY we wouldnt be so upset. I know some fans are rude and what have you but the majority of US love Christina, and we want to see see her site run the way it should be.

[AguileraAddict]

Now that we got Shelly's response, I wonder what Christina thinks about this topic.
Exactly 2 days till her birthday too... :(
Im just disappointed because Shellys post was...well it was annoying.
Nearly insulting...[/quote]
It totally contradicted Christinas letter to us, and she just made us feel like we werent worth the time.
She wouldn't have come here if we weren't worth the time. Shelly is known for venting, and this whole situation is IMHO the most tense situation ever. And I think she had a feeling where her most dedicated fans turned against her, betrayl so to speak. I think once shelly gets our messages she'll understand, and things will go back to normal.
I know some fans are rude and what have you but the majority of US love Christina, and we want to see see her site run the way it should be.
I also love Christina and Shelly, and I hate to see the way the official site is being run. It needs to be updated as much as other artists' official sites, and since he's closer to Christina than any of the people he and Shelly put on blast, he should be able to get the exclusive info faster than anyone else.
....and the walls came tumbling down....
I didn't say I wanted the Xtina Center not to open. It's not like everything is falling apart. I just feel a lot less motivated to work on it.

[Kerry22]

u guys are closing fan sites? has it occured to anyone that maybe JUST MAYBE AL lied to shelly?? Please noone hate me for saying this.. but this is so childish OMG!!

[ChristinaBlue]

Originally posted by singer21
u guys are closing fan sites? has it occured to anyone that maybe JUST MAYBE AL lied to shelly?? Please noone hate me for saying this.. but this is so childish OMG!!


Hmm, well, I hate to say it. But I think he did. Or twisted something at the very least.

[~CRL~]

"If I take the time to explain, we'll get little blingy bling or whatever her name is whining because I'm here at all in the first place and people show me appropriate respect simply as an elder, or else CRL who never seems to want to see anything good or right whether it's there or not, or else some other nonsense will accuse me of something else farfetched on some juvenile hate web site. "





i was totally dissed in that letter by shelly as well, funny cuz i dont have a super cool fancy christina site, or anything. - why should i be the scapegoat.

i still back the petition one hundred percent. I am shocked at how cruel she was for mentioning names - and scolding individuals.

[Kerry22]

maybe im wrong about saying this is childish.. but im sitting here reading, ok im gonna close my site, maybe i wont open my site then, and stuff like that.. i think its absurd.. either way it looks bad for christina.. she needs these sites open u guys! her album is coming out soon! and think about it, right now all these fan sites have more info on christina at this point, these sites are where alot of the fans go!! please think about it! stop the petition. drop it. this is what i think should be done.. Christina asked us for our support! can u imagine how crushed she might be. shelly said her and chris were both at LD when the website was updated with the xmas stuff AND THEY SAW ALL THE COMPLAINTS AND LEFT THE BOARD.. Shelly doesnt control that website, she is to busy with her life and the kids, and christina THE GIRL DOESNT EVEN SLEEP!

this isnt the time for any of this.. we are christina fans, who gives a **** what the website looks like.. to be honest, i dont really care that much. i care about her talent, i appreciate her work, i stand by her. i think we all need to look out for her. and by closing down sites, ITS JUST, not good man.. dont do it.. think about it u guys please!! :( :( :( :( :( :(

[EScorpion1777]

I don't want to start conflicts, but If you guys close christina fan sites, where is AL gonna get his stuff from, wait a minute, what if they close this message board, where is AL going to get his articles and news? maybe that's the right thing to do, maybe when theres no christina fan sites, no more publicity and all the work webmaster do, then Shelly will understand and hopefully regret the way the letter was written, imagine how the webmasters felt? what about us the fans? we are just a bunch of looser, and we are not worth her time? we are not worth anything? Did I read Christina's letter the right way? or did I misinterpret when she said, we mean a lot for her, but a simple website request cannot be addressed or even discussed because we are just wrong, am sadddddddddddddddddd :( never, never expected this from Shelly, from Al, of course but not Shelly!

[Kerry22]

CRL u were kinda saying mean things the other night.. didnt u say "maybe i wont wait for christina" i think that hurt shellys feelings.. i think everyone was just in the heat of the moment and it just all came out u know.. i would have cried to if shelly got mean with me.. thats like hardcore stuff right there!

[Kerry22]

oh please.. listen, i know that was directed towards me, let me make myself clear, I DONT GIVE A **** about AL! I just think all this will look bad on christina.. it doesnt seem right to her!! dont get all sarcastic on me, and dont even get me started.. i just want all this BS to end already.. im not gonna fight with u or anyone.. im not out to fight :p

[~CRL~]

Originally posted by singer21
CRL u were kinda saying mean things the other night.. didnt u say "maybe i wont wait for christina" i think that hurt shellys feelings.. i think everyone was just in the heat of the moment and it just all came out u know.. i would have cried to if shelly got mean with me.. thats like hardcore stuff right there!

i did actually cry - i joined the board after shelly left, and i had always looked forward to having some kind of speaks w/ her eventually - and this is how things turned out - i didnt say i wasnt gonna wait, i said i was sick of waiting, but i wasnt extreme or anything

[ariel23]

I haven't been involved in this drama, and intend to stay out of it, but I would really hate to see good Christina fansites close due to it. Kerry, your site is awesome and alot of fans turn to your site for the latest. I understand the hurt that was caused though. Just know that we, the fans, still support your sites.

[Stronger4Brit2]

Im sorry ChristinaBlue and Kerbear, sucks that your called a liar when most likely your not.

Im not bashing Shelly or anything but she couldve handled this a lil bit better than what she said. She didnt have to name names, if she wanted to get personal then I think she shouldve PMed them, and since when did Ilia (BlingmeBabe83) get involved in this?!, he was never involved in this, so that also wasnt right for her saying that hes gonna get in this. I just think shes stressed and maybe she took it out on here without thinking, shes a human she makes mistakes. But oh well.

[Kerry22]

exactly.. im sure shelly is very stressed out right now.. hey we are all stressed out!! u know whats weird.. my name is Kerry too so whenever u guys mention that girl kerry i think ur talking about me!! but i dont own no site so! just wanna make that clear!:D

but i think this will die down.. the people who are involved with this just need time and im sure over the weekend everyone will either will say sorry or just agree to forget whatever has been happening.. and i also think in time all these posts should be deleted.

[Stefani13]

First thing...I think in time, all this will be sorted out. :) We'll just have to wait. I still support the petition and intend to until I see a real change in the official site that I am satisfied with.

Second thing...

Originally posted by Stronger4Brit2
Im not bashing Shelly or anything but she couldve handled this a lil bit better than what she said. She didnt have to name names, if she wanted to get personal then I think she shouldve PMed them, and since when did Ilia (BlingmeBabe83) get involved in this?!, he was never involved in this, so that also wasnt right for her saying that hes gonna get in this. I just think shes stressed and maybe she took it out on here without thinking, shes a human she makes mistakes. But oh well.


I was talking to Scott...and I thought she shouldn't have really named names either. And as you said, it was probably in the heat of the moment and she was pissed and annoyed, so she just wrote that. I think if she were to re-do the post, she wouldn't have included that part. But people make mistakes...

CRL...if I were you, and Shelly named me in the thing...I wouldn't get as upset over it...ya know? So she said something about you...by your posts, she hardly even knows you at all. It's not really entirely fair to judge someone without even meeting them. Again, I think she was just acting out of rage... Don't feel bad about it, man. There's gonna be people out there that say bad things about ya...you just can't let these things get you down.

Now, Denise...about Ilia, haha. :x He had nothing to do with this at all...but, you gotta admit, sometimes he is a lil' harsh when it comes to Shelly in the past. However, recently he has done nothing to warrant the mention in the letter. :)

Alrighty...I'm pooped. :) Let's all turn our frowns upside down, shall we?! :D


P.S. I just sent a PM recently...and I JUST noticed the lil' Christmas lights at the top of the menu bar thing. SOOOO cute!! :)

[EScorpion1777]

Singer 21: It's fine you have a different opinion, and when I posted I wasn't directing the message towards you, besides I didn't even read it, when I went on to type my message, plus I have no reasons to get into an argument with you, I simply have a different opinion on this matter, and just ignoring the problem is not a solution for me, for you it might be, but that's you, not me!

[Stronger4Brit2]

Originally posted by Stefani13


Now, Denise...about Ilia, haha. :x He had nothing to do with this at all...but, you gotta admit, sometimes he is a lil' harsh when it comes to Shelly in the past. However, recently he has done nothing to warrant the mention in the letter.


lol Yep I agree with ya there, hes a lil harsh to everyone though :D

[Stefani13]

Originally posted by Stronger4Brit2


lol Yep I agree with ya there, hes a lil harsh to everyone though :D

:p;) That crazy German!!

It was funny that Shelly thought Ilia was a "she" ...lol.

[The Great Below]

i thought he was too :confused:

[Stronger4Brit2]

LOL, are you serious Daren

[fan_2001]

What Shelly did was just plain wrong. I support all fansites who shut down! Kerry you put your heart and hard work into your site and for Shelly to come in here and rip on you personally was plain wrong. By shutting down you send a message, when you attack the fans you lose them. I hope your happy Shelly. CRL I'm sorry Shelly attacked you. That was rude. This whole site thing is ridicoulous. Thank god Britney Spears' mom doesn't come online to yell at Britney's fans:o:p
-Ricky

[Stronger4Brit2]

OMG you mentioned the notorious two words *gasp*

Britney Spears!

[The Great Below]

yah....it's news to me

[EScorpion1777]

I found your message very clear and got to the point, it's very good that you say what you think, and who cares if other people don't agree with you, I am not a webmaster myself BUT if I was and this would oh happen as I said, is just WRONG! Only one last comment, can we stick to Christina, and not bring Britney to the topic.

[fan_2001]

Originally posted by Stronger4Brit2
OMG you mentioned the notorious two words *gasp*

Britney Spears!

LMAO!! What can I say? I like controversy;):p
-Ricky

[fan_2001]

Originally posted by mario_galdamez
I found your message very clear and got to the point, it's very good that you say what you think, and who cares if other people don't agree with you, I am not a webmaster myself BUT if I was and this would oh happen as I said, is just WRONG! Only one last comment, can we stick to Christina, and not bring Britney to the topic.

LOL! I'm sorry! I'll refrain from mentioning her. I didn't know that people got pissy if I just mentioned her name!LOL! Thanks for the compliments on my post though!:D
-Ricky

[ariel23]

lol, I was wondering why you guys said she involved Ilia, and I was like no she didn't, then I re-read: we'll get little blingy bling or whatever her name is ....

LMAO!!!!!! That is freakin hilarious!!!

Ok, sorry to digress!

**wipes tears**

[Stronger4Brit2]

Originally posted by fan_2001


LOL! I'm sorry! I'll refrain from mentioning her. I didn't know that people got pissy if I just mentioned her name!LOL! Thanks for the compliments on my post though!:D
-Ricky

You would be eaten if you mentioned her name :( mighty tasty though :D

LOL@ Cynthia, Im sure Ilia is gonna be thrilled knowing people here think hes a girl LMFAO

[EScorpion1777]

Don't take it personally, the reason I posted was just to make a compliment, and forget the Britney comment, I am a Britney fan in denial...LOL

[Spot]

Someone brought up an interesting point earlier, if fansites close down, where will Al get his pictures and content from? Maybe he'll learn to get them on his own, just a thought...

[EScorpion1777]

Yes I brought that up, but SINGER21 thought I was being sarcastic towards her message, which I wasn't, sorry about bringin up names, I just learned something from Shelly today................

[~CRL~]

Originally posted by mario_galdamez
Yes I brought that up, but SINGER21 thought I was being sarcastic towards her message, which I wasn't, sorry about bringin up names, I just learned something from Shelly today................

we all learned something about her today

[EScorpion1777]

Not to be mean or anything, but you took one of the worst parts. So I bet you learned....

[~CRL~]

Originally posted by mario_galdamez
Not to be mean or anything, but you took one of the worst parts. So I bet you learned....

huh:confused: explain?

[EScorpion1777]

Just forget it, am going to sleep now, as Shelly said "forget it." See ya guys.....

[Spot]

Originally posted by mario_galdamez
as Shelly said "forget it."

That would be part of the problem here. She might think that if she forgets about it, and can get yall to forget about it, it will all go away. Then Al will just contiue was he's doing and nothing will get solved in the end.

[AguileraAddict]

Originally posted by Spot


That would be part of the problem here. She might think that if she forgets about it, and can get yall to forget about it, it will all go away. Then Al will just contiue was he's doing and nothing will get solved in the end.

I really don't think that anybody's gonna forget about it. What are we gonna do now, it looks like the pettition is being shot to the ground by Christina's mother, someone who we thought would help us out, but looks at us like we are a bunch of idiots, insulting us like we are aren't important.

[Kha]

I have to say I'm offended by Shelly's reply :o I truely didn't think of her reply being like that :o I'm truely offended and I support everything you guys will do, but don't think of the fans site shutting as u r thinking of it, if you shut down the sites, he will always find other ways to get infos, might not be original contents as well. BUT, do it as a way of showing your opinion of the situation. The whole subject is just sad :(

[Catrina]

umm i'm really late but where did shelly post this ?!

[Catrina]

oh it's ok i c it !

[The Great Below]

So who's tellin the truth and who's lying? :confused:

[Catrina]

we may never know !?

[Justin'sGirlUK]

Well from seeing the amout of fans that have been offended by Shelly and have had their material taken and had Al being rude to them, I'd say the official site is the one that is lying.

[Britina]

La la la la la...:o

Don't close down your sites. :( *cries* :(

[BlingMeBabe83]

Wow, Shelly seems to be into this computer stuff.

Some of you guys, I think, enjoy being brutal

YES!

[ChristinaBlue]

Originally posted by Catrina
umm i'm really late but where did shelly post this ?!


http://talk.livedaily.citysearch.com/showthread.php?threadid=156385&perpage=15&pagenumber=5


Just incase anyone else wanted to know...

[Windowsxp88]

Originally posted by Kerbear
Christinaaguilera.to will most likely be closing shortly. I have supported Christina with a website for 3 years now. I started the site because I talked to Shelly a few times and thought she was incredibly sweet. There doesn't seem to be a point to run the site any longer after being accused by her own mother of lying. I told the truth, and I know Christina Blue and MarmaladesMan did too. I caught Al in a lie by a post on this actual forum, but somehow that's being overlooked. But that's ok, I am older, so I can take it.

What has really upset me is that MarmaladesMan is only 13 years old and was insulted greatly by Al, by calling him a liar. Now because Shelly has been misled, he felt the need to apologize when he did nothing wrong. For that, I can no longer continue to run a site for Christina.

I could go on and on about how I feel towards this situation, and explain what happened, but it's not worth it. Besides, I would rather not be accused anymore of needing attention.


Im SO sorry to hear that, it was a great site, but like you said, there is no point. No, Im not hating on Shelly, but i still think that what she said was very rude and there are no excuses for saying what she did, especially how she said it. She can be Christina's mom, but that doesn't mean that I will agree with everything she says, unlike other people....

[Windowsxp88]

Originally posted by mario_galdamez
I don't want to start conflicts, but If you guys close christina fan sites, where is AL gonna get his stuff from, wait a minute, what if they close this message board, where is AL going to get his articles and news? maybe that's the right thing to do, maybe when theres no christina fan sites, no more publicity and all the work webmaster do, then Shelly will understand and hopefully regret the way the letter was written, imagine how the webmasters felt? what about us the fans? we are just a bunch of looser, and we are not worth her time? we are not worth anything? Did I read Christina's letter the right way? or did I misinterpret when she said, we mean a lot for her, but a simple website request cannot be addressed or even discussed because we are just wrong, am sadddddddddddddddddd :( never, never expected this from Shelly, from Al, of course but not Shelly!

OMG! I coudln't agree with you more....maybe, just maybe, it would be the best thing to do, to prove where Al gets the damn pictures from..

[Spydar360]

After the attack of Shelly and the major respect lose I got from her reply. Im thinking of closing my site down to and stop supporting christina aguilera.

[Windowsxp88]

My last reply for this thread :) I will stand behind the petition 100%, like i said before, I wont change my mind about things just because someone told me to do so. Im so sorry Christina Blue and whoever else was invloved in the making of the petition because i know that you were doing it for a good cause...PLEASE dont close it...

[Jorge Santos 4E]

Im still sick and neutral!

goodbye

[Erikaluv]

**** has straight hit the fan. I don't want to get involved, but I will say that I think all parties are wrong in some way. Everyone but ChristinaBlue and Kerber. They have substantial reason to be alittle miffed.

Alot of others had it coming, but it still doesn't make it justifiable nor right.

[Windowsxp88]

ignore this :)

[BonnieM10]

Let her browse the board in peace!

[Britina]

Originally posted by BonnieM10
Let her browse the board in peace!
Amen to that!

[ChristinaBlue]

Originally posted by BonnieM10
Let her browse the board in peace!


This is a little more important then your basic "Hi Shelly!" thread.

[Kerry22]

this is just getting to over the line right now..

[princess4ever]

Originally posted by ChristinaBlue
...official site, which is SUPPOSED to have original content. [/B]

Define Original Content? Are Pictures the only thing that has to be original? The XMAS update has many Original content. From The MP3 to the Letter to the Recipies to the Signed DVDs.

So shut up about it all and just enjoy the new Christina song!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Justin'sGirlUK]

Uh... the christmas update is like the only original thing it's had all year. What does that tell you? The site needs it's own stuff not stuff stolen from a fansite, that's what they mean by original content. It's supposed to be an official site meaning everything it has is supposed to be official. Most fansites are way better organised and have way more content than the official site does itself. That's why people are angry and telling them to shut up is wrong they have a right to complain.

[XtinaBumpNGrind]

Originally posted by Kerbear
Christinaaguilera.to will most likely be closing shortly. I have supported Christina with a website for 3 years now. I started the site because I talked to Shelly a few times and thought she was incredibly sweet. There doesn't seem to be a point to run the site any longer after being accused by her own mother of lying. I told the truth, and I know Christina Blue and MarmaladesMan did too. I caught Al in a lie by a post on this actual forum, but somehow that's being overlooked. But that's ok, I am older, so I can take it.

What has really upset me is that MarmaladesMan is only 13 years old and was insulted greatly by Al, by calling him a liar. Now because Shelly has been misled, he felt the need to apologize when he did nothing wrong. For that, I can no longer continue to run a site for Christina.

I could go on and on about how I feel towards this situation, and explain what happened, but it's not worth it. Besides, I would rather not be accused anymore of needing attention.

as much as i luv ur site, i think closing it is an excellant choice. the comments made by shelly PISSED ME OFF. i havent ever talked to her, nor was i mentioned or attacked in the letter, but i am losing support for christina daily (for the past 4 weeks). CLOSE IT DOWN!! thanks for the past three years of great content and pics! thanks for all your hard work:-) :-)

[Kerry22]

i always thought the reason why the site wasnt updated is cause christina went away for a while.. i do understand why some can be mad, especially the people who work very hard on there fan sites but it seems like noone really knows the whole story here.. something isnt making sense..

[christina's_no1]

Please DON'T give up on the petition and your sites!

I agree with the majority of people, and I am still 100% behind everything

I really feel shocked, and saddened at the things that Shelly has said. I really respected Shelly, but I have lost most of the respect for her now. I can't believe she basically told us we were wrong and were acting stupidly. I really am sad, I thought Shelly would be with us, not against us :(

I will still love Christina no matter what happens!

[ShellyKearns]

Now do you guys see what I mean? If I give my opinion, just like all of you do here every single day (and in a heck of a lot more nasty way than I did!), and it's not what you all expected, then I am "attacking", "rude", etc etc etc. I told you so!

But why? I mean, if you all are honest, I just said the exact type of thing all of you do here every single day. And you all mention names constantly! I guess I'm not allowed to say if someone hurts me or not. Just you all can do that.

Geez.....My post was rude because I named 2 names?? I just happened to mention one person who boldly never tries to hide his hatred for me in the least, and says thing like how I'm only here because I'm trying to..what was it?..ride Christina's coat-tails to fame or some nonsense he read in the German press...not to mention a person who has constant attitude--often aimed dead at me with no respect---all the time. That hurts me!! Hello! He doesn't know me, but often made it a point to be disrespectful to me and hurt me. Why is that okay for him to do, but then not not okay for me to point out? Interesting....

And I knew that I was about to make a point that went against the 'popular flow' here, so people like this might use it to attack even worse than in the past when I said nothing to him to provoke it. Turns out he didn't have to! You all beat him to it! *lol*

And CRL, I didn't mean to hurt you but gee whiz! Have you read your own posts lately? I honestly began to think that no matter what we did, you had basically dug your feet in the ground and crossed your arms and refused to be positive or happy about anything. Just read your posts! So in a moment of exhaustion, I pointed that out. Why, might I ask, is that so, so rude? You would have thought I'd called him an ax murderer, when all I said was that I didn't think he/she would have anything nice to say given the mood of his/her posts. No, I didn't sugar coat anything, but wow, neither did he/she. I wasn't overly nasty, either though.

So we're here with all these expectations again. I am supposed to be "above" that then, right? So just because I'm her mom, I can't actually get upset or lose my temper when I see things that are not nice or that are wrong? Well trust me, if you were on this end, most of you guys would have lost it long ago.
I am human, and disrespect and negativity in the extreme, gets old and hurts me too, just like all of you get hurt. Except that it hurts me even more just because of the constant--and I mean constant--attacks that wear us down daily just being in the public eye. You guys are just exposed to it a little while online. I live it. For us, things here are what the press grabs it and keeps alive in my life whereas you guys just stand up, shut off the computer, and continue your anonymous lives.

What does that have to do with this whole thing? Everything! It makes you put things into perspective. You learn to choose which battles truly are worthwhile battles, and which ones simply hurt people unnecessarily. When you are constantly waging war to fight for big things, honesty being one of them, and your life is filled with such things, then it is easy to see when something is not as 'evil' or huge as others make it out to be. It doesn't make you heartless or unsupportive. It just means you are trying to help others put things into perspective and stop badgering people over something that does not warrant that level of anger!
Of course as a result, you leave yourself open for personal attack if you voice an opinion contrary to the popular one.

It's hard to see that no matter what good you fight for or get done, you still get the tons of complaints and nastiness. And if you are honest and speak up, you're bashed for that, too--even if you have more information on the truths behind issues than the people doing the fist waving and yelling. I have sat by and not said much about this simply because I recognized the 'steam' that has built up around this issue as the type that means that no matter what I say, no matter how many pages of insight and proof, this has now become a 'cause'...a mission. People are not going to like the truth, and they aren't going to listen, and sharing info with them might pop their bubble and end up creating a war instead of opening eyes. So..I remained quiet. I was right, so it seems. That is still why I remain quiet with the info until people get a bit more ..well...civil. Until then, it would be a waste of breath!

And Christinablue and Kerri, I never said anything bad about you, your character, etc. Everyone here just panicked and jumped on the bandwagon to defend, when all I said was "not good". Yet here I read whole threads about how I accused you of being liars, how I attacked your character, etc. I even read one post that accused me of 'passing judgement' on you guys when I didn't even know you. Passing judgement? What the...?

All I did was say "not good", and point out about the emails.
And as for the emails, it was pointed out to me several times on this end that they were false. All I am doing is passing along information. It's not the info that you guys wanted, though, so I'm afraid that this made me a target.

The problem here isn't in my post, if you all will stop panicking long enough to think this through. The problem lies in the fact that you all felt like you were doing something noble and on sort of a mission to 'defeat the bad guy', so to speak. A cause that was important to you. You expected me to be applauding you, and then were hurt and disappointed when you found out that I didn't do the "popular thing" and I, instead, simply pointed out that Al was not this evil bad guy...that there was more to this whole thing than you all know. That's all!

You see, all of you here--all of you---are safe. You sit behind your computers and type whatever you wish --even attacking each other, which I've read a billion times here. And then when you're done, you sign off and go live your lives without what anything that was said having affected it.

Me, on the other hand....everything here and everywhere else effects my life. You say something to me, and I don't have the freedom to just spit out whatever I'm thinking. Even in my vents, I must word things carefully. Why? Because every word you say, and especially every word that I say, usually ends up on ABC.com (did you guys even realize this?) or twisted into something unrecognizable in some tabloid. Do you realize how many reporters are reading about all this childish nonsense just as you are?

But this time, for once, I actually got tired enough to act like you all do here on a daily basis. And I even told you to start with that I give up because I knew that as soon as you realized I wasn't supportive of the petition, you all would turn and the attack would blindly begin. I would just be voicing my opinion, and be crucified for it. I don't have the same rights as all of you? I am expected to 'soften' everything, even when I feel you all have gotten so out of hand...yet I don't have the strength to explain the whole thing to you all. Just because I know it'll go in one ear and out the other. It's not right.

My post was not rude. It was honest. You guys simply read it in the light of people who had false expectations, and were disappointed when I burst your bubble and didn't feel the way you all wanted me to feel. That instantly makes me rude and in a sense, disloyal. Well no..it doesn't. I'm just as loyal to you all as I've always been.

Christinablue, Kerri, I have nothing against you. I want to talk privately with you, however. I have information that my friend Lynne Spears had this same problem. Christinablue, I want to speak to you privately concerning this matter. You see, contrary to popular belief, I'm not 'out to get you'. Otherwise, rather than trying to be tactful in my last post by saying there are things people don't know and information they are missing, I could just publicly post it. But I respect you enough to not do that. I will verfiy all of this with you first.

As for the rest of this ridiculous mess, I am caught in the middle, and therefore remove myself. Kill each other and Al verbally if you wish, but in the future if facts come out, don't say I didn't speak up to warn you.

People, all I know is that the bickering here gets so insanely childish that it's sickening to read for people on the outside who are calm and informed and not directly involved. Now if the people trying to point this out to you get attacked, that is even more sad.

I want to thank a couple of you for keeping a fair, level head and trying, too, to get people to see things clearly, rather than emotionally.

Again, I didn't mean to offend anyone here by typing the words "not good", or by anything else. .

I hope this helps to clear up some things for some of you.
God bless and Merry Christmas (hint hint nudge nudge!)

[Britina]

I agree with Shelly. :o

Everyone here reads too far into things. Everyone here thinks they're right 24/7. Everyone here attacks when something harmless is said.

Shelly was just stating her opinion...and ya'll blew up at her.

[*~*Urban Kitten*~*]

It totally contradicted Christinas letter to us, and she just made us feel like we werent worth the time. Maybe if she explained it FULLY we wouldnt be so upset. I know some fans are rude and what have you but the majority of US love Christina, and we want to see see her site run the way it should be.

I hate to say it but I completely agree.:(

[christina's_no1]

Shelly, you had a lot of good points in that letter, and I think that it opened my eyes a little bit more.

The reason I am getting angry is just bacause I see stuff on the 'Official' site that has been taken from fansites. I do not see that this is right. If Al or somebody would explain, then maybe I could understand more.

I was just shocked at the way you said it was not true, and that we should move on.

No matter what happens, I will always love your daughter! :)

[Spydar360]

I think we just all want to support Christina Aguilera and not fight. This however has gotten out of hand I admit, and well in light of the situation I feel it wasn’t necessary that the problems were dealt on LD, which should of been in emails. But I knew the position Shelly was in. We all wanted answers and doing this publicly wasn’t right. This would have never escalated as big as it was. I hate to close my website in support of Christina Aguilera, since well I love the Girl. She always captured my heart in her music and always will.

I still think Al Gomes could have done a more tentative work with exclusive materials.

[ShellyKearns]

Thanks so much for understanding, you guys. I feel caught in the middle and after reading all the fighting and meanness, ugh....it was just so sad.

It's Christmas! Can't we all move on and be happy? Surely there's a way to communicate with Al that is healthier than all this, isn't there?

Either way, just know that I love you guys dearly. Always have...always will.

:)

[Justin'sGirlUK]

There were some really good points in Shelly's post but still Al has been rude to fans on here. If he would come here and talk to those who feel their material has been taken without permission instead of firing back rude comments, this would get sorted much easier. Yes fans on here can be rude, but that doesn't mean Al has to sink down to that level himself. There are fans, not just here either who are very disappointed with what has recently happened. I also feel it was rude for those who were called liars, they have no reason to lie, there's far too many this has happened to for them all to have lied. There just needs to be one big talk which Shelly has asked for and I hope those will participate with, so we can get this sorted once and for all.

Please know, I'm not being hateful to you Shelly, just this has been going on a long time and people are upset.

[jerete]

Thanks for clarifying(or however you spell that word) things for us Shelly :)
and now that you mention you loving us...does Christina loves us too? well I know she does but do you think she loves me? I'm single you know :p
LOL ok, since I have nothing more intelligent to say I'm out of this thread but not before I wish you all a merry x-mas

Merry x-mas everyone! :D

[PedroPicapiedra]

Well, I agree with what Shelly said. It makes you think about all of the information that we don't have access to, and about the other side of the story (something we really havent considered).

And for those who are surprised by her frustratrion, just go back and read most of the posts for the evening when the Christmas with Christina page was a little late. A lot of the posts were really rude and unnecessary. That's the main reason why I dont have many posts on this board. I have been visiting here everyday since last March, but a lot of what goes on here can be called.....childish.

[Fil]

Love you too Shelly, merry Christmas, oh...wait, it's Christina's birthday first! Congatulations also then!!!

[Spydar360]

...................

[christina's_no1]

I know how you must feel Shelly.

I think we can move on, but we need to be able to speak with Al, and not just ignore what a lot of people see as a problem.

LOL @ Ed :p

I hope Christina has a brilliant birthday, and you all have a great xmas! :)

[ShellyKearns]

Hey you guys, do you want me to set up a live chat with Al? I could be on too, to oversee everything.....sort of like a conference call but online. :)

Would that help?

[jerete]

Oh great idea! That would be cool! :)

[*~*Urban Kitten*~*]

I personally think that would help straighten some things out. I don't really know whos side I'm on anymore and honestly I dont want to have to pick sides! Shelly I see your points,and I also see Christinablues,maybe a chat with Al would help out.

[Catrina]

that'd be really good ... yeah ... but make sure you do oversee everything 1st so that people don't get rude or anything ! :)

[Justin'sGirlUK]

Hey! That would be good. That way everything should be sorted out. Those upset, could express their opinions to Al, and he could try to explain what exactly he is trying to do. So both sides could have their say. As long as both sides don't start shooting their mouth off at eachother everything would be fine. Then this chapter might close.

Shelly you'd definitely have to be there though, just to try and keep the peace.

[christina's_no1]

That is a great idea Shelly. But I know there are a lot of people on here that are REALLY angry, so I think it has to be made clear that there should be NO rudeness!

[Kerry22]

oh geez thanks, i was tryin to make everyone stop fighting last night and tryin to calm things down by saying its the holidays and we should be happy.. AND NOONE LISTENED.. then shelly comes here and does the same thing AND EVERYONE IS FINE NOW! NO FAIR! lol im so kidding..

see i said it last night everything will be ok.. u gotta love this though, its like family fighting and bickering, sometimes its insane but then its just really cute when it ends! im glad to see everyone coming to grips and just opening their eyes just a little. hey things happen u know? and shelly i told understand where ur coming from. christina is ur baby and of course alot of stuff on here hurts ur feelings.. ur post made my heart stop when u were saying its hard living in all this u know? you guys are the only ones who really know how it feels, but what u go thru makes u so much stronger.. maybe soon when everyone thinks about these posts we can laugh about it.. the ups and downs of live daily! :D

[MO-Xtina]

Hello Shelly.

I know it has been a stressful time for you as well as us with the official site and other things. But, I want you to know that this whole situation we are all in right now does not reflect the way I feel towards you and Christina. I respect both of you and appriciate what you have done for us. I will continue to support you both. I will not let a misscomunication with the offical site change my opinions about either of you, and I wish this would not get personal, as it has already. I am sure a majority of the fans here feel the same also, but others may not. I did not sign the petition, so I would rather not state anything i'm not involved with. But, I do dissagree with the way the official site is handled. Certain things I have noticed there have added up and it does not seem right; the way it is ran or an 'official site' should be ran. I am not naming names, because that is not going to help the situation, but as fans all we want is a change with the official site. That is all! We are not trying to tear anybody down or cause conflict because that was the last thing we wanted. Please understand Shelly.

Shelly, I have a sense of where your coming from. Being the mother of a world-wide superstar, I would think your pretty busy and tired dealing with situations like these. I can understand you have your certain judgements of certain fans here, but nobody should be acussed. That should be the last thing happening because really nobody knows the truth and that should stay at that. From this point on, all we should concentrate on is improving something that can be improved. As a fan, I understand where the fans are coming from. All we want is a change. In no way did we do this to bring Christina, you or Al down...that is the last thing we want! All we want is the best for Christina. I would think that is why the petition was started, to help improve that and make a change hopefully for the better, but that will not happen unless we have support and understanding.

Shelly, please dont let negativety from certain people here reflect the positive from others who really do appriciate you and Christina. This is just a situation we all need to move upon and hopefully we can forget about, if changed. Im sure words were said from both sides that are now regreted, but hopefully we can move on. Everybody, this goes to all of you.

Bye Shelly
Love, MO-Xtina

[Kerbear]

How do I go about contacting Shelly privately?

[Spydar360]

Originally posted by singer21
oh geez thanks, i was tryin to make everyone stop fighting last night and tryin to calm things down by saying its the holidays and we should be happy.. AND NOONE LISTENED.. then shelly comes here and does the same thing AND EVERYONE IS FINE NOW! NO FAIR! lol im so kidding..

see i said it last night everything will be ok.. u gotta love this though, its like family fighting and bickering, sometimes its insane but then its just really cute when it ends! im glad to see everyone coming to grips and just opening their eyes just a little. hey things happen u know? and shelly i told understand where ur coming from. christina is ur baby and of course alot of stuff on here hurts ur feelings.. ur post made my heart stop when u were saying its hard living in all this u know? you guys are the only ones who really know how it feels, but what u go thru makes u so much stronger.. maybe soon when everyone thinks about these posts we can laugh about it.. the ups and downs of live daily! :D

do you remember me Kerry!!! ;) or did ya forget last night? :p:o

[Jorge Santos 4E]

sure! what the heck! why not?

[carolina6462]

I think a chat would help. These past weeks I havent really posted but I've been reading all that has been going on and I think if everyone could talk about it with you being there Mrs. Kearns it would help a lot.
P.S. Hi Mrs. Kearns! I miss you!

[pop_princess123]

That's a great idea, Shelly. Like I said before, the whole situation has nothing to do with you, so don't feel like everyone's mad at you. (I"m sure some are, but don't worry about them. ;) ) Anyways, I'm sorry you feel like you're in the middle, and I know how you feel. Thanks for even caring about us, and I hope you get things worked out with Christina (blue) and Kerry. :)

[Auntie C]

Shelly, I think that chat thingy is a GREAT Idea! I Know alot of us have questions for Al but we just dont know how to ask him correctly. I would love it if we had something like that.

Thank you!
Love,
Brittany

[Windowsxp88]

Shelly i must apologize for my rudeness towards you on my other posts (after you posted on the record deal thread). Like you said, there is a lot of information that we do not know, iand i understand why you werent willing to tell us? Who would listen? I really hope you accept my apology...BTW that live chat idea with Al sounds very very cool...Thanks so much Shelly..Love ya and Christina :)

Merry Christmas to you all:)

[Kerry22]

yes i remember u from last night!! hahaha..

[~LuCkYGURL~]

That's a great idea,Shelly! :D

[BonnieM10]

Shelly,

I REALLY like the idea of a chat. I think the 'Official' site hasn't given any exclusive, pics, news or anything like other 'Official' sites do and I think everyone should CALMLY tell Al how we feel about it.

[Britina]

A chat would be great, Shelly. :)

[Jorge Santos 4E]

aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
It just came to me! yayayaya! Timmy is an average kid that nobody understands. Mom and dad and Vicki always giving him commands!

horray! horra horroo! woohooo!

a lil chatty chat will be great for every1 yup:p
okie dokies i gotta go to the mall.
be back l8r *hopefully*

luv ya buncheroos!
Sha-Sha(<~~yuk reminds me of Alisa) *lol* j/k:D :rolleyes: ;)

[SuperJon]

I agree with the petition but i don't agree with the way you guys are treating Shelly and others... have RESPECT for each other and especially Shelly... don't treat her like she's Christina's mom, treat her as just another person and that goes for every other person on this board... war solves nothing so treat each other with compassion and overall respect

[fan_2001]

I wonder why Shelly keeps saying "I act like you all, I act like you all", "don't I get to express myself. Just cause I'm Christina's mom I can't say anything mean". Well why on earth are you surprised people treated you just like you wanted to be treated? When you tote the title in your name as Christina's Mom it does change things Shelly. You are more important to fans than any poster on here. You are 2nd to CHristina for some. You keep saying we don't know the whole story, do you know about Al's nasty e-mails? Saying its the holidays let it rest, I don't know... I'm always one to say if you have a problem don't run from it, deal with it. And umm I'm a pretty big Britney Spears fan and I don't recollect Lynne ever having any problems with Brit's fans online Shelly. I'm sure you do have a lot of stress in your life Shelly and I do wish the best for your family. But I think that you being Christina's mom you should have shown better judgement than to come on here and say some of the things you said. Happy Holidays everyone! BTW Shelly, her name isn't Kerri:o, its Kerry:D
-Ricky

[MO-Xtina]

Shelly, I agree! A chat is the best resort.

At this point nobody has the right to judge anything because we; as fans dont know the whole truth and Shelly is probably not aware of Al's replies to us and certain things that we know of...so until the chat, lets all cool down and appriciate what we have: A computer, Livedaily, Shelly, Christina, our families and our lives...We all get side tracked and loose track of what is important. Christmas is around the corner, the 25th is a day we should all appriciate.

God Bless you all!

[Marma!adesMan]

Mrs. Kearns, since you have been posting on the board lately, I would like to clarify my position concerning the dispute about Al Gomes. I made a post recently saying sorry to Al. I did this because you, being Christina's mother, said that everyone against his ways were wrong, basically....So I felt obliged to apologize. Being 13 years old I was really offended being called a liar by my idol's mother. But truthfully, I am not sorry. Al claimed that those emails are not legitimate, but indeed all of those emails were real. If you'd like, I will indeed give you my password to my inbox and show you my email sent to him and his reply. I believe that Al is misleading you and I certainly do not want you to get hurt in the end. I just want you to see the truth. I am not trying to disrespect at all, I just want you know where I am coming from. I would really like to talk to you and/or Al privately because I have proof that he is indeed misleading you.

I would prefer that no one except Shelly reply to this,

Thank You

Merry Christmas

God Bless,
Lance

[EScorpion1777]

Shelly solo queria hacer un comentario, espero usted me comprenda. Como fan de Christina me siento mal que la pagina de español no ha sido actualizada por mas de muchisimos meses, si se habla de quienes son menos apreciados, somos nosotros, ya que tan siquiera la pagina en ingles la actualizan de una vez en cuanto, Shelly y nosotros no contamos? O solo se actualizara cuando Christina saque un disco en castellano? Por favor Shelly, si Al Gomes no puede con la pagina en español, no podra alguien hacerlo para que los fans de LatinoAmerica no se queden solamente viendo las fotos de Christina en la pagina de ingles ya que no entienden todo lo demas, por favor Shelly espero que me comprendas, ya que solo queremos que haya una mejor pagina de una estrella super querida por nosotros que la apoyamos en todo, hasta la carta tuve que traducir aunque no soy bueno en eso, para enseñarselos a mis otros compañeros para que vieran que linda es Christina, por favor menciona algo de esto Shelly, te lo agradeceria muchisisimo.

Abrazos de,
MARIO GALDAMEZ

[CAgurl78]

Oh gee, I just read all this stuff and I agree with Shelly, let's all calm down, hold hands, sing Christmas songs, and BE HAPPY! :)

Anyway, I think the chat would be a good idea. And yes I think Shelly would have to be there. The grand peacemaker of the whole thing. :) I think there's a lot that needs to be discussed. A lot of emotions that need to be let out and if the fans, Al, and Shelly are there, I think it'll all work out.

Oh so anyway, let's stop the fighting. We should support Christina and NOT SHUT DOWN ANY FAN SITES! If you make a site, you made it because you love and admire Christina and nothing should get in the way of that.

Just my 2 cents... I don't think anyone cares, but, there ya go!

Love ya Shelly!
www.aguilera-online.net

[Kerbear]

The story made it on popdirt.com with quotes and all.

http://popdirt.com/article.php?sid=1390

[*just*a*girl*]

look at what all this has led to. All b/c some fans are angry that pictures from their sites, pictures that weren't theirs in the first place, were used (or perhaps donated by other fans) by the official site. Now everyone's going to think that Shelly is the bad guy. :rolleyes: Open your eyes man! Is it really worth all this?

[Spydar360]

check abstracts.net

they have it also

[christina's_no1]

LMAO, they must watch us 24/7 :rolleyes:

[Kerbear]

I don't want to get into why I sent those e-mails to Christina Blue and why she did the petition, we have been there and gone over that so many times. It has very little to do with content stealing and a lot to do with how I was treated. No one's intention was to make Shelly look bad, we actually thought she would support the fansites originally.

[geoguy]

i've always had so much respect for shelly keeping in touch with christina's fans so often, but after reading all this it's crazy how she can just doubt the words from huge christina fans and defend such a dishonest person

christina's fansites make her; if they're gone, her official site will die (no more news to steal!?), and fans will have nowhere else to go.

hmmmm...how childish of her!

i hope the chat happens soon; i would love to see how "well" al will be able to defend himself!

[Stefani13]

Okie dokie...so, after reading Shelly's thing, I have decided to... butt out. ;) Haha. :D Oh, and I think Shelly was referring to me, hehe, when I was talking about her judging CRL or something. Yep..I meant like, CRL may or may not be this negative person in real life, ya know? You could only base your opinion on what CRL posted. Ya, whatever. ;)

::sigh:: This is crazy, eh? :p


P.S. Scott, what's your AIM Handle? I'm at home...my AIM here isn't updated. :)

[SuperJon]

hey we're famous now!

[Windowsxp88]

Originally posted by SuperJon
hey we're famous now!

LOL..i remember sum people betting whether or not this would appear on popdirt.com..lol they were rite

[christina's_no1]

Originally posted by HypnoticAngel
check abstracts.net

they have it also

LOL! I was wondering what the hell you sent to to at first! ;)

RACHEL IS FAMOUS!!!!! :eek:

[MenacE]

Could someone please sum up what actually happened starting from the beginning.
Ive read the thread but I cant make head or tales of it. Im not really a hardcore poster but I do come on here alot and read the threads and Id love to know whats going on please help me :D

[tatig6]

Hey Shelly
It is a great idea!
Or not.... I think some ppl round here are beiong really rude and a chat can go out of control, there are no mods on it, are there?
Anyway, if ppl decide to respect one another, then it would be great! :)
Happy Holidays!
love,
Tati

[MenacE]

A chat would be great not just one to solve this issue but maybe one of a permanent basis for the fans.

[ShellyKearns]

hmmmmm....alrighty then. I just had a sec so I figured I'd check back and see if anyone was interested in that chat with Al to clear this up. I didn't expect to be blasted again. Maybe I shoud have! *lol*

Look guys, like I said before, all I know is what I've been told. I am a third party coming into this mess, caught in the middle and am trying my darndest to be helpful. Maybe I should just but out and let you all kill each other! Sheesh! :)

Anyway, I am beginning to wonder if the chat is a decent idea. I thought that since you say the emails are real and that he never answers you guys, that I would help solve it by giving you all the opportunity to talk with Al, and Al with you. But by the looks of things, we'll have to find a way to moderate this so you all don't spend the whole time bashing instead of working through the thing.

Oh, and by the way, remember that what goes on with Lynne, with me and others behind the scenes isn't shared with fans online, just as I would have no way of knowing about your individual daily events.

Hope this helps.
:)

[MenacE]

Come to think about it a chat would be so hectic just iagine all the people trying to speak at the same time that would be disastrous. Buut we could give it a shot.

[christina's_no1]

Couldn't we just leave questions for him to answer on the official site or something if we can't have a chat?

BTW, when I said 'LMAO, they must watch us 24/7', I wasn't talking about you incase you thought I was! :)

[Stefani13]

I think a chat would be a good idea..because what's going on now isn't really working. Everyone just needs to communicate our concerns, no? But, I do see a problem with the bashing. I was wondering, you know how on AOL chats or whatever, they have people submit comments/qustions and stuff and then they are screened first or something before they are presented? And like, the famous celebrity person can't see what everyone is writing..just sees the questions that are screened and everyone can see the reply? Would that work? :)

[tatig6]

hey Shelly!
Who is bashing you??????
I cant believe that, "sheesh" :rolleyes: as you say! :p
please, Shelly, dont give up on us who truly love you and Christina!
Love,
Tati

[MenacE]

Ask AL section like the ask shelly one where the most appropriate emails are answeered

[Hey, it's me!]

Originally posted by ShellyKearns

Look guys, like I said before, all I know is what I've been told. I am a third party coming into this mess, caught in the middle and am trying my darndest to be helpful. Maybe I should just but out and let you all kill each other! Sheesh! :)

Hi Shelly,

Like you said, you're a "third party coming into this mess, caught in the middle..." but why did you come in, as a third party, and post that long message instantly branding Christinablue, Kerry and the others as the wrong ones. You only heard Al's side of the story (he told you the emails were fake) and you instantly believed him over the fans without getting the fans in question's stories too. That's what you are agreeing to and suggesting now with a chat, but you didn't do that in the first place before you decided Al was right and I see a real problem with that.

You, as an uninformed third party, chose an employee's word over ours without checking the facts on both sides first.
And we're the fans you claim to love so much.

[MenacE]

Man cut her some slack maybe she didnt think of the chat till later

[ShellyKearns]

Oh hey! That's a great idea about the Ask Al section! Do you guys think that would work better than a chat? It might be less chaotic and get more accomplished.

Great idea.

What do you all think? I'm up for doing whichever you guys prefer.

[AguileraAddict]

I agree to having a chat. Since just complaing and flaming on the board certainly gets us nowhere, and I also agree with Stefani13 on how it should be run.

[EScorpion1777]

any response I will get about the Spanish version Shelly? or am I just being ignored?

[MenacE]

I like the ask Al section idea w00t I had a good idea.

If it was in a chat room too many people would be talking at once.
This way the select emails could be filtered out and put up on the official site where they wouldent need to be bumped etc.

[christina's_no1]

To save any arguments and such like, I think having him answer questions on the official site would be best. But having it this way, we have to make sure that he does not avoid any questions, and explain as fully as he can to us, to let us understand more! :)

[tatig6]

I was going to say that we reopen the ask shelly thing just for question about the site, and al could give answers too.
it could run like those old days... nik would check them and post the question later, then you two could answer the best ones, and also listen to helpfull suggestions about the site ;)

[Stefani13]

Ya, I think it would work if they put it up on like...the Shelly board like tati suggested. :) Because it seems a little more efficient than e-mails, no?

[*just*a*girl*]

I find that it's tough to talk in chatrooms. It'll be hard to pay attention what people are saying b/c there will be so many people talking simultaneously. It can really get out of hand.

[AguileraAddict]

Tati's right :). I think most of the people here would love to see Shelly's board opened back up, since it's more efficient, and secure than emails.

[#1HowieDfan]

Um I havent been involved w/ all this mess since I usually skip reading those threads and complaints about the website. Its no fun reading all the negativity lately by yall. Then Shelly come here to post and say whats on her mind and gets totally dissed. I dont know but I think we all take everything for granted. <sigh> Anyways thats all I'll say 'bout this mess.

BTW Shelly I hope you take it easy the rest of this holiday season, and hope you and your fam have a Merry Christmas:)

'k im off to my singing performance here!

Happy HOlidays

[Windowsxp88]

How bout having a chat room where only ChristinaBlue, Kerry, and whoever else was directly involved talk..and the rest of us just looking? I dunno...its just that I like chatrooms LOL cya!

OH YEAH I DID IT!!!! MY 100TH POST..YAY!!! CONGRATS TO ME! LMAO..

[czr187]

I think someone should write a big e-mail or question post it in here and see what fans think then all the fans can add in anything they think should be asked so no questions will go unasked or make a list of questions.

[NikDC]

Shelly, if you'd like to use the Shelly board here for that and have the questions submitted and moderated first and then put up for answers, I'm sure that's doable. Just let me know if that's an option you go with.

[AguileraAddict]

Please Take the offer Shelly!!

[christina's_no1]

Yes, I think this is a better idea! :D

[keith_t4e]

Hi Shelly, boy I've really missed you. Thank you for attempting to mediate. I'm not directly involved as I don't run any sites etc. I do, however, have an observation that I'd like some feedback on. Christina has been working on the cd and thus a litle more out of the public eye than usual. We are all used to a lot more exposure. When the cds were coming out, she was touring etc., there were a lot more pictures and stuff. It's understandable that the site wouldn't have as many updates now as when things are moving a bit faster as they will in the coming months. I have always believed that people are frustrated over this and it has affected their behavior. Also, I think people's reaction to some of this has been OVERKILL times ten. Am I right in that Al doesn't have access to a lot of new stuff because is simply just not out there now. He can't report news if there's nothing new to report.
Shelly, I think you know how much I love Christina, Rachell, you and the rest of your family, so I hope you can appreciate any honest objective feedback I might have. I know this thing has grown so fast over the past few years that it has got to be overwhelming------restructuring the fan club, dealing with the sure volume of hits on the official site, legal battles over Just be Free & former empoyees, questioning the veracity of most of the media's claims. ie. Just today I read in M magazine that Christina went back to Macdonalds to teese a bully working there who was ugly to her while she was in school. It's got to be really tough on you. I think a lot of us here really empathize with you and your family. I think it's extraordinary that you still come here. I sometimes wonder if some of the princapals involved like Al and Ervin Azoff are stretched too thin because of there other obligations. I only wonder about these things because I've always thought this organization was top notch, a class act, from everything Christina has ever done---photo shoots, vidios etc. Please don't allow some of what is going on to sour you towards LD. I appreciate you post about how much you still love us. We love you too.

[ShellyKearns]

keith_t4e , bullseye!!!!!!!! You are right on the money. You can't report things that aren't out there.

As for the things we have reported, like polls and contests that are floating around on the internet, you can't be ticked off at us for not magically knowing ahead of time and reporting them to you first, because we have NO IDEA that they exist until you tell us find them and tell us! You see, nothing is going on right now, and as for all that other stuff, WE don't run those polls or those contests. Those are marketing ideas entirely thought up and run by whatever company, etc., is sponsoring it. So of course we don't know about it!

However, the things that WE are running, we let you know about. It's a pretty simple thing that everyone's getting upset over. When things start up again, you'll be seeing a lot more things. The other artists you're doing comparisons to have a lot more projects going on, plus all the marketing built around each of those projects. We aren't at that stage at this point in time, that's all.

Anyway, thanks keith_t4e. You're insight is exactly on the mark.


At any rate, I contacted Al and he's prepared to do a chat. I then emailed him about the ask Al /LD board and I haven't heard back, but I'm sure he'll have no problem with it. Thanks Nik and Richard and everyone. I think that's a great idea.

I'll keep you all posted.
Don't worry! We'll get this thing ironed out. :)

[Britina]

Thanks for sticking around Shelly. :) You're really sweet! ;)

[christina's_no1]

Thanks for the update! :D

[Spydar360]

thanks for the updates

[keith_t4e]

Thanks Shelly. I've been wondering how the art show in Boston went? Has it happened yet? Was she selling some of her work? Anyway, thanks again and God bless you.

[fan_2001]

Shelly even though I didn't like some of the things you said I want to give you props, or kudos, for actually staying here and attempting to get things solved! The sooner this thing is over the faster we can get back to Christina. Hopefully this can be over with soon.
-Ricky

[AguileraAddict]

However, the things that WE are running, we let you know about. It's a pretty simple thing that everyone's getting upset over. When things start up again, you'll be seeing a lot more things. The other artists you're doing comparisons to have a lot more projects going on, plus all the marketing built around each of those projects. We aren't at that stage at this point in time, that's all.

Anyway, thanks keith_t4e. You're insight is exactly on the mark.


At any rate, I contacted Al and he's prepared to do a chat. I then emailed him about the ask Al /LD board and I haven't heard back, but I'm sure he'll have no problem with it. Thanks Nik and Richard and everyone. I think that's a great idea.

I'll keep you all posted.
Don't worry! We'll get this thing ironed out.

:) Thank you so much shelly :)

I see that things now are getting better IMHO. Thanks for the update, and I hope things go well between everybody,
Oh yeah. Great insight Keith!

[BlingMeBabe83]

Even though we all betterbe nice to each other, you HAD to bring me up, Shelly.

[Unknownperson]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[BlingMeBabe83]

LOL@ Cynthia, Im sure Ilia is gonna be thrilled knowing people here think hes a girl LMFAO

LMFAO I'm popular..

Now I read about that Blingy thingy, Shelly...Why did you say that? You are the one who is preaching about peace and stuff and then you come and jump on just anybody? Please..

[GlamourPuss]

Hello Everyone,


First off I want to say that I have never posted here until now. In fact, I had always heard of the Live Daily boards but never came around since I post so much at another talk community which I enjoy. It looks as if I'll have to come here more often though, especially considering all the hype. I'm sure there's never a boring night here.

I wanted to post something here in regards to this whole mess about Al, stealing web material, and Shelly Kearns. As a webmaster and graphics artist myself, I know what it is like to see your material on someone elses website without giving you credit. It is a crummy feeling to say the least and very common amoung the internet.

I follow Christina Aguilera closely being that I am such a fan. This of course entails visiting her websites. I can say with forthwright honesty, that Al is not innocent of what he has been accused of. He most certainly has taken other webmasters material without giving them credit, and I believe that he should at least admit it.

It's not a crime to do what Al does technically speaking, but it is quite a shame, and in my opinion, poor sportsmanship. Before I use any material from another webmaster on my internet sites, I always ask their permission, and then site credit where it's due.

When it comes down to the nitty gritty, most material online belongs to the original authors of said graphics, news, etc. So even webmasters cannot fully own anything unless they themselves created the material in question.

This whole argument is utterly useless, Al should have just removed said material and apologized for the confusion, or given credit where it was due. At least site the source or sources of your material in small font at the bottom of your website.

It's not easy to find current articles and photos of your favorite stars and present them in a fashionable and interesting manner. I doubt Shelly Kearns knows very much about what it entails to create a functioning website that generates a lot of hits.

Shelly only knows what it is Al tells her, she could not possibly have an unbiased view of the issue at hand. I personally believe her comments were out of line, and the tone was definitely not what I expected from a grown woman. I cannot feel sorry for the mother of a teen sensation who is arguing with people much younger than her over things she isn't informed enough about.

The whole thing is just utterly pathetic. Why turn a mole hill into a mountain when you could just make a few quick changes, say sorry, and walk away. It's no lie that for a long time the official Christina Aguilera site looked ridiculous. I have not seen it lately and do not know if the mismatched color scheme was fixed, or if the labels left on certain pictures that were clearly taken from other sources, were ever edited and sited. It's certainly not user friendly either.

The truth is there are better Christina websites out there, and that is quite unfortunate for her official site. It is the same thing with Britney Spears and her official site, it has old news, dead links, and pictures of her from a 100 years ago. Where do they hire these webmasters? The jobs they are doing are not worthy of the hurrendous amount of money I am sure they are getting.

These are just my opinions, I hope you have not taken offense. I was merely expressing my views.

Kind Regards,
Glam P.

[fan_2001]

GlamourPuss, go on with your bad self!!! You are SOOO right! This could've been long solved by Al but he chose not to. But I must inform you that Britney's official sites have both finally gotten their acts together and the new sites are re-vamped with new layouts and pics. Not to mention, you'll never beleive this, ORIGINAL CONTENT!!! Check em out:D. Thanks for a great first post! Welcome to LD! Some people will most definitely jump down your throat for your lovely post. But know that I agree with you!
-Ricky

[Unknownperson]

whoa GalmourPuss :eek:

[GlamourPuss]

Originally posted by fan_2001
GlamourPuss, go on with your bad self!!! You are SOOO right! This could've been long solved by Al but he chose not to. But I must inform you that Britney's official sites have both finally gotten their acts together and the new sites are re-vamped with new layouts and pics. Not to mention, you'll never beleive this, ORIGINAL CONTENT!!! Check em out:D. Thanks for a great first post! Welcome to LD! Some people will most definitely jump down your throat for your lovely post. But know that I agree with you!
-Ricky


Dear fan_2001,


Well it is sad to say but I am quite used to the immature hostility often found amoung discussions over the internet. I suppose the anonymity makes it easier for people to forget about the person on the other side. I am sure there will be those who disagree with me, I just hope they do so calmly and with rational logic rather than absurd ideas and uncalled for insults.

I am interested in hearing someone out who actually has something of value to say and can convey it as such. Otherwise, I don't have time to watch children meander around yelling obscenities with absolutlely no substance behind their behaviour.

Kind Regards,
Glam P.

[fan_2001]

Originally posted by GlamourPuss



Dear fan_2001,


Well it is sad to say but I am quite used to the immature hostility often found amoung discussions over the internet. I suppose the anonymity makes it easier for people to forget about the person on the other side. I am sure there will be those who disagree with me, I just hope they do so calmly and with rational logic rather than absurd ideas and uncalled for insults.

I am interested in hearing someone out who actually has something of value to say and can convey it as such. Otherwise, I don't have time to watch children meander around yelling obscenities with absolutlely no substance behind their behaviour.

Kind Regards,
Glam P.

Amen:D
-Ricky

[XtinaFan1285]

Wow, I've been away for a little while and come back to all this drama!?!?!? Let's just chill and take things one at a time. Shelly, is trying to do the best she can, making sure both sides are happy (but expressing her feelings too, yes she is the mother of a star but she also is a person with feelings too). Don't worry, everything will work out fine. I know some of the "accused" are hurt, and when I first read what she posted, I thought it was uncalled for too. But when she posted her 2nd reply, it really opened my eyes. A chat with Al or a "Ask Al" will be great, let's just get this solved and have a nice holiday. Ok?

[Hey, it's me!]

Originally posted by GlamourPuss
Shelly only knows what it is Al tells her, she could not possibly have an unbiased view of the issue at hand. I personally believe her comments were out of line, and the tone was definitely not what I expected from a grown woman. I cannot feel sorry for the mother of a teen sensation who is arguing with people much younger than her over things she isn't informed enough about.

*cracks up* I applaud you for your common sense and also...well, you're damn RIGHT (in my opinion, that is). :)

[keith_t4e]

I'm not going to get into the whole thing with anyone on here, so please don't get upset at what I'm about to say. As I may have mentioned in the past, I don't have a sophisticated knowledge of the computer/web site stuff. I do, however, have a relationship with Shelly which consists of posting here more so when she had her forum than now. She has always been so sweet to us. She and Christina have always gone the extra mile for us. I recognize that some of you are very talented when it comes to cumputers and web sites. Of the sites that I've visited and there are many, I've always thought that Christina's is one of the best winning an award at one point. Personnaly, I liked the old format beter. I still think a lot of this is much to do about nothing. If some of you have contributed to the site indirectly, it should be your pleasure to do it. If you think about it, it's all Christina's. Pictures of who? Info about who? I, too, was suprised that Shelly allowed this thing to get to her, but I'm glad she is not indifferent about it. So what I'd really like to say to some of you is "DON'T MESS WITH SHELLY." I'm not telling you to be overly deferential. I am asking you to realize that yes she is the mother of a Star. She doesn't have to do all that she has in the past and continues to do now, but she does. I can't imagine someone being more real than she and her daughter have been for us. In her diaries etc. she litteraly shares her familily with us. Welcome to the board, but please don't come in here as some Johnny come lately not knowing all the history and use words like "pathetic." We all don't have your level of expertise when it comes to web sites etc. All I know is how much I have and continue to enjoy Christina, Shelly and the official site.

[Kerry22]

yea but how can she really know the truth. Al might be telling her a whole other story, so maybe she trusts him u know?

[ChristinaBlue]

Hey Shelly, thanks for replying. I just hope you read this tiny post of mine all the way back here.

Yes, I would love to talk with your privitly, I think we could both get our thoughts, opinions, points and ideas across without being interupted. However, I know that since you are Christina's mom, I'm sure your not quick to email someone you barely know. So if you could, just PM me or if you really want to, email me at christinablue@worldnet.att.net. It would be so much easier to have a one on one conversation. I hope to hear from you Shelly. Thanks for reading my reply again...

[Kerbear]

Shelly, I would also like to talk to you privately. So if you can PM me or e-mail me at christinaato@aol.com, I would appreciate it greatly. Thanks.

[Jorge Santos 4E]

Originally posted by GlamourPuss
I'm sure there's never a boring night here.


hmmmm... a boring night?! I saw a few boring nights where I was on here and Then i relaced my shoelaces 5 times and the last time i put the laces in backwards. hmmm was that 2nite? couldn't be!

*lol*:p

[GlamourPuss]

Originally posted by keith_t4e
I'm not going to get into the whole thing with anyone on here, so please don't get upset at what I'm about to say. As I may have mentioned in the past, I don't have a sophisticated knowledge of the computer/web site stuff. I do, however, have a relationship with Shelly which consists of posting here more so when she had her forum than now. She has always been so sweet to us. She and Christina have always gone the extra mile for us. I recognize that some of you are very talented when it comes to cumputers and web sites. Of the sites that I've visited and there are many, I've always thought that Christina's is one of the best winning an award at one point. Personnaly, I liked the old format beter. I still think a lot of this is much to do about nothing. If some of you have contributed to the site indirectly, it should be your pleasure to do it. If you think about it, it's all Christina's. Pictures of who? Info about who? I, too, was suprised that Shelly allowed this thing to get to her, but I'm glad she is not indifferent about it. So what I'd really like to say to some of you is "DON'T MESS WITH SHELLY." I'm not telling you to be overly deferential. I am asking you to realize that yes she is the mother of a Star. She doesn't have to do all that she has in the past and continues to do now, but she does. I can't imagine someone being more real than she and her daughter have been for us. In her diaries etc. she litteraly shares her familily with us. Welcome to the board, but please don't come in here as some Johnny come lately not knowing all the history and use words like "pathetic." We all don't have your level of expertise when it comes to web sites etc. All I know is how much I have and continue to enjoy Christina, Shelly and the official site.


Dear Keith,

I find it useless that you couldn't have just directed your post to me in the beginning as to avoid some long winded story about how much you love Shelly and how wonderful she is. I am happy that you care so much about someone who you feel has made such a great contribution to you and others as fans.

I was not addressing the integrity of Shelly, I was merely commenting on her reaction to a mundane situation. You cannot possibly think that it is feasible of you to say something as childish as 'Don't mess with Shelly' and expect me to take you seriously.

I was in no way messing with anyone for your information. I was stating my opinion as a fan of Christina and fellow webmaster. The fact that you don't know very much about web building proves my point. You, nor Shelly, nor anyone else who is not wise in the ways of web design, can never really have an unbiased view point of this whole mess.

How could you, as someone who really knows nothing about web design, ever make an educated judgement? You simply cannot, hence my belief that this whole problem is pathetic. The people angriest here at Kerry and Christina Blue, are the very same people who know nothing about what it takes to make a website. You have no clue about the hard work and effort it entails, thus making any fingerpointing on your part, null and void.

I said it once and I will say it again, Shelly only knows what Al tells her, it was wrong of her to go off on a tangent about the official website because she is not a webmaster, nor does she have the resources and education about web design to make any kind of true observations in regards to web related dillemas.

I understand you and many others here love Shelly, but it is not my duty or obligation to kiss her feet. I respect Shelly deeply, I believe she has a tougher job than just being a mother, she has to oversee the career of a very beautiful, and talented young woman. I am sure this must be hard for her, and I am thankful that she lets us all into that world, but I think it is wrong of her to jump so quickly to a certain conclusion without knowing all the facts about web design and the problems that arise with it. Case in point, stealing other peoples work.

You can dislike me all you want for going against the flow here and piping up with a different opinon than most, but I refuse to see Kerry and Christina Blue get some kind of patronizing finger waved at them by someone who has no idea the hard work that both girls put into making something for you, a Christina fan.

That being said, I'd appreciate you keep any threatening tone directed toward me at a minimum. I really have no tolerance for games. I'm here to speak my mind, not to get into some kind of pity party about how I shouldn't disagree with Shelly because she's some kind of saint.

Kind Regards,
Glam P.

[WWF Diva]

I didn't read every single post.. But I read enough and sort or perursed through the rest.

Let me just state, that I am not taking anyone side.. I choose to hear everyone's side of the story and understand where they are coming from..

But I just think that we should ease up on Shelly..

She does not controll the offical site.. I do not see why anyone wants to hold her responsible for what is done with the site.. She has her family to tend to..

She is only relaying the information she is given..

And don't be angry if she isn't here.. She doesn't even have to be here in the first place.. She is here at this site, because obviously she does care..

But let us not accuse anyone in any situation until we we know for sure what is going on...

[mishatqueen]

Originally posted by GlamourPuss



Dear Keith,

I find it useless that you couldn't have just directed your post to me in the beginning as to avoid some long winded story about how much you love Shelly and how wonderful she is. I am happy that you care so much about someone who you feel has made such a great contribution to you and others as fans.

I was not addressing the integrity of Shelly, I was merely commenting on her reaction to a mundane situation. You cannot possibly think that it is feasible of you to say something as childish as 'Don't mess with Shelly' and expect me to take you seriously.

I was in no way messing with anyone for your information. I was stating my opinion as a fan of Christina and fellow webmaster. The fact that you don't know very much about web building proves my point. You, nor Shelly, nor anyone else who is not wise in the ways of web design, can never really have an unbiased view point of this whole mess.

How could you, as someone who really knows nothing about web design, ever make an educated judgement? You simply cannot, hence my belief that this whole problem is pathetic. The people angriest here at Kerry and Christina Blue, are the very same people who know nothing about what it takes to make a website. You have no clue about the hard work and effort it entails, thus making any fingerpointing on your part, null and void.

I said it once and I will say it again, Shelly only knows what Al tells her, it was wrong of her to go off on a tangent about the official website because she is not a webmaster, nor does she have the resources and education about web design to make any kind of true observations in regards to web related dillemas.

I understand you and many others here love Shelly, but it is not my duty or obligation to kiss her feet. I respect Shelly deeply, I believe she has a tougher job than just being a mother, she has to oversee the career of a very beautiful, and talented young woman. I am sure this must be hard for her, and I am thankful that she lets us all into that world, but I think it is wrong of her to jump so quickly to a certain conclusion without knowing all the facts about web design and the problems that arise with it. Case in point, stealing other peoples work.

You can dislike me all you want for going against the flow here and piping up with a different opinon than most, but I refuse to see Kerry and Christina Blue get some kind of patronizing finger waved at them by someone who has no idea the hard work that both girls put into making something for you, a Christina fan.

That being said, I'd appreciate you keep any threatening tone directed toward me at a minimum. I really have no tolerance for games. I'm here to speak my mind, not to get into some kind of pity party about how I shouldn't disagree with Shelly because she's some kind of saint.

Kind Regards,
Glam P.


I agree with you 99.99% (I dont know what I disagree with you on)

I've read every single post (there were a lot of posts) and I dont want to be rude but there are a lot of ass kissers. No offense but there were a lot of people that signed that petition, and said that the things Al did were wrong, then they turn around and say I love you, I love you.

I dont think Shelly should have mentioned names, and I dont think she should have lashed out on people. She just came to a conclusion without hearing everything.

But I think people should cut her slack, she isnt the webmaster.

But I found it hard to believe that she could call 'some' people liers (not directly) then say Merry Christmas, like everything was all good.

But I wont hate on Shelly becuase I'm a big Christina fan, and I know if Christina read some of the stuff that was being said about her mom she would be sad.

[Spot]

I'm confused on this point. They do know the emails were real right?

[Kha]

I have to appologise for Shelly. I think I was caught up in emotions while reading her post. And the idea of the chat is great! Shelly, all we need is originality. This is in no way a bad thing. And we all think that originality doesn't come from taking stuff from fans sites. Even if you do, "Courtesy of..." on the bottom of the page wouldn't do harm, right? :)

We never denied that the site had biiiig original updates once in a while (last time, What child this is!) but we need the site to be like, the best site of christina that all the fansites relate to. I think we all can make that thing happen if some info will be cleared out on the chat (which i am wishing that it will happen).

Peace on you and merry christmas :)

[Kha]

Oh and for some people who says that Shelly shouldn't have acted emotionally or so. Well, she is a human :) let's not forget that all :) And let's say if you STILL think that she shouldn't have done this (I'm sure none still think like that), Couldn't we all forgive her like we forgive ourselves everyday? Or is it just because she is the mom of your fav. artist means that she is above the status of being a human? Don't think so :) Shelly, I think I can speak for everyone on LD and say that we are sorry if you hurted you somehow, none of us meant it :)

[GlamourPuss]

Do whole pages magically dissapear when push comes to shove around here? Well I suppose some people just can't face the music. How typical, just when you think someone has actually learned something they digress.

:rolleyes:

[Spot]

Originally posted by GlamourPuss
Do whole pages magically dissapear when push comes to shove around here? Well I suppose some people just can't face the music. How typical, just when you think someone has actually learned something they digress.

:rolleyes:

It's a nice and easy quick fix :cool:

[Mike]

When a whole page contains nothing but members fighting over how old they are, or other off-topic conversations, then they will be split from this thread. As you can see, most of your comments are still here.

[The Great Below]

that's this forum for ya

[Bix,threetwosandaBBQ]

A place for everything, and everything in its place. This board hasn't changed a bit. ;)

[Rachel]

Originally posted by christina's_no1

RACHEL IS FAMOUS!!!!! :eek:

LMAO ;)

[The Great Below]

LOL ya said it Bix....the people may change but it doesn't

[keith_t4e]

Dear GP,
I didn't direct my post directly to you because you are not the only one who needed to read it. There were sections of it that were, however, in response to your earlier post. The phrase "Dont mess......." was simply a play on the phrase Pres. Bush and his fellow Texans use. That was meant for anyone who feels brave enough to say some of the things that have been said lately. Some of it has been uncalled for. I'm not just talking about you. For the most part your first long post lacked the ugly tone some others have had. As I stated in my first response, I'm not going to get into the whole thing with anyone here because that is the very thing that has been turning a lot of posters off----not just Shelly and Christina. As the gentleman that I am, I will genuinely tell you that I am so sorry if you felt threatened in any way. Here again, you may know a lot about web sites etc., but you don't know all the history here at LD. Shelly used to have her own forum answering questions submitted by loving fans like me. This was extraordinary. what beter way to get first hand information. Many of us on here feel like we know her because of this. Then around last May and June, people started getting so ugly that Shelly understandably said the heck with it. Please note that I don't like characterizing this for Shelly; this was simply my understanding of what happened. This was a service she was offering the fans. People who were honestly not real fans but trifeling trouble makers ruined it for everyone. Also, Shelly and Christina have had to deal with tons of missinformation in the media as well as the much publisized fued with Eminmen etc. So, yes, I am protective of Shelly and Christina, and if you knew all the history here you would probably understand that. I appreciate your opinion as well as that of several others who run web sites. I'm not sure if I've ever visited there sites. I will tell you that of the sites that I've visited, a lot of them get some of their info from the official site. Maybe not photos. Also, I don't know all the ins and outs of web site management protocal as far as crediting others. One thing I'm curious about is how people stake claims to photos they themselves didn't take etc. In my humble layman's opinion, the originator of photos, interviews etc. is the one who has rightful claim to them. Here again, it is all Christinas. As far as calling people ass kissers, that really doesn't dignify a response. If you came here more often and I hope that you will, you would know that I try to encourage most everyone here. There are some talented posters on here. It's like a family. We have some dissagreements, but usually we kiss and make up at the end. I am trying to write this in such a way so that you won't feel that it warrnts a response-----at least not a confrontational one. I was upset tuesday night when Christina and Shelly browsed and decided not to post because we were pouting about the Christmas stuff not being up. I am hoping that we can get back to an acceptable level of discourse, so nothing like that ever happens in the future. Shelly has been coming here a while. I don't, but she does know a lot about computers and web sites etc. While I do think it's uncalled for when people are ugly to her and I certainly will take up for her as I would any of my other friends on here, Shelly can also take care of herself. One of her friends, Al, was being attacked, so she came to his defense. That's noble. Think of the lyrics to that Train song "Drops of Jupiter." Anyway, I do hope you stick around. I know you expressed an appreciation for Christina's talent. We could always use another expert around here. If we all agreed on everything, chances are only one of us would be doing all the thinking.

[GlamourPuss]

Originally posted by keith_t4e
Dear GP,
I didn't direct my post directly to you because you are not the only one who needed to read it. There were sections of it that were, however, in response to your earlier post. The phrase "Dont mess......." was simply a play on the phrase Pres. Bush and his fellow Texans use. That was meant for anyone who feels brave enough to say some of the things that have been said lately. Some of it has been uncalled for. I'm not just talking about you. For the most part your first long post lacked the ugly tone some others have had. As I stated in my first response, I'm not going to get into the whole thing with anyone here because that is the very thing that has been turning a lot of posters off----not just Shelly and Christina. As the gentleman that I am, I will genuinely tell you that I am so sorry if you felt threatened in any way. Here again, you may know a lot about web sites etc., but you don't know all the history here at LD. Shelly used to have her own forum answering questions submitted by loving fans like me. This was extraordinary. what beter way to get first hand information. Many of us on here feel like we know her because of this. Then around last May and June, people started getting so ugly that Shelly understandably said the heck with it. Please note that I don't like characterizing this for Shelly; this was simply my understanding of what happened. This was a service she was offering the fans. People who were honestly not real fans but trifeling trouble makers ruined it for everyone. Also, Shelly and Christina have had to deal with tons of missinformation in the media as well as the much publisized fued with Eminmen etc. So, yes, I am protective of Shelly and Christina, and if you knew all the history here you would probably understand that. I appreciate your opinion as well as that of several others who run web sites. I'm not sure if I've ever visited there sites. I will tell you that of the sites that I've visited, a lot of them get some of their info from the official site. Maybe not photos. Also, I don't know all the ins and outs of web site management protocal as far as crediting others. One thing I'm curious about is how people stake claims to photos they themselves didn't take etc. In my humble layman's opinion, the originator of photos, interviews etc. is the one who has rightful claim to them. Here again, it is all Christinas. As far as calling people ass kissers, that really doesn't dignify a response. If you came here more often and I hope that you will, you would know that I try to encourage most everyone here. There are some talented posters on here. It's like a family. We have some dissagreements, but usually we kiss and make up at the end. I am trying to write this in such a way so that you won't feel that it warrnts a response-----at least not a confrontational one. I was upset tuesday night when Christina and Shelly browsed and decided not to post because we were pouting about the Christmas stuff not being up. I am hoping that we can get back to an acceptable level of discourse, so nothing like that ever happens in the future. Shelly has been coming here a while. I don't, but she does know a lot about computers and web sites etc. While I do think it's uncalled for when people are ugly to her and I certainly will take up for her as I would any of my other friends on here, Shelly can also take care of herself. One of her friends, Al, was being attacked, so she came to his defense. That's noble. Think of the lyrics to that Train song "Drops of Jupiter." Anyway, I do hope you stick around. I know you expressed an appreciation for Christina's talent. We could always use another expert around here. If we all agreed on everything, chances are only one of us would be doing all the thinking.


Dear Keith,


I apreciate your maturity in all of this. I would in fact also like to inform you, that I am well aware of the history here. As I mentioned before, being a Christina fan and as someone who is a part of the web community in regards to her fandom, I know about Shelly and the infamous Live Daily boards.

I understand your need to defend her, afterall she has been nothing but nice to you and many others, but you too must open your eyes, as she must, to the fact that calling scores of people immature liars in the face of a situation you really don't comprehend, is rude and immature in itself.

I frankly was appalled at her response, it was, in case she didn't know, directed to a bunch of young kids. How shameful is that, and very infuriating for me as a webmaster and Christina fan. I am posting here in defense of all those kids she thinks are brats for attacking Al. Well guess what, Al did something wrong, and these young kids were merely expressing their unhappiness about his ill actions toward Kerry and Christina Blue.

If you would take a second look at my first post, I mention the fact that in reality, all web material is as you yourself said, rightfully the property of whoever produced said contents. Yet, since you don't know much about web design, you don't understand that although this is true, sometimes certain people get various material first from those original sources, and they feel angry when someone else comes and steals it off of their website.

It is akin to inventing something and then having someone steal your idea, produce it as the next big thing, and take all the credit for coming up with it when it was originally sitting in your factory for days. As I said before, this all could have been easily solved if Al would have sited his material from whomever he took it from, whether it be news or graphic material. A simple little sentence in small font at the bottom such as 'Thanks to Kerry of christinaa.to for this piece of info' or 'Photo courtesy of ChristinaBlue'. It would have been that easy.

You can't run an official site, take other material from various websites who worked hard to get certain graphics and news first, and then give the impression that you had them originally when in reality you didn't. That isn't fair and I don't understand why you and Shelly cannot see this as a valid reason for getting angry.

It's as if Kerry, Christina Blue, and everyone else Al is stealing from, are doing all the work for the official site. Hell, Shelly might as well have Kerry and Christina Blue take the site over since a lot of the content is stolen from them. You know, it's so stupid when you think about all Al has to do to make this fair. Just let the people know where you're getting your information from, even on the homepage, would it be that painful to write somewhere 'Certain material borrowed from various other sources' or something similar?

It really is the principle behind it. If you knew what hard work it took to make a website, to find the latest pictures, news, and other multimedia, you would be just as upset as any of us are who know what it entails. I certainly don't agree with attacking Shelly, but what do you expect some young kid to say in response to being called an immature liar?

You get what you give.

Sincerely,
Glam

[Genie Marmalade]

Originally posted by fan_2001
Thank god Britney Spears' mom doesn't come online to yell at Britney's fans:o:p
-Ricky
now i know what you're here for.

[Kerry22]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: my eyes are gonna fall out of my head!!!

[christina's_no1]

Originally posted by singer21
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: my eyes are gonna fall out of my head!!!

OMG, quick, put your hand over your eyes, and lie back! :)

[Jorge Santos 4E]

No fair! Now my posts don't make sense w/o Crissy's posts!

~Shaina

[Genie Marmalade]

Originally posted by singer21
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: my eyes are gonna fall out of my head!!!
hey i didn't mean anything, what i mean is that was a really bad/wrong/funny post , whatever.....

[keith_t4e]

gp, thank you for your response. Although I may lack the technical knowledge of web design and all that it intails, I do understand the fundamental problem you're concerned about. Several of the threads about Al did go a bit overboard I thought. My concern as you may have read in an earlier post has to do with how busy Al and some others may be as Christina is not their only client. I took a brief look at his, Al's, web site Big Noise. From what I could see based on a brief preliminary viewing, Christina is one of if not the major client. I can only hope that the site management is a priority. I have the same concern for manager extraordinaire Irvin Azoff as I know he has other major clients. In that case, I imagine he has subordinates who help him----I don't know. With the cd, tour etc. coming up, it will be very important for the fan club, web site and management to all be running effeciently. The change in management was an upheavel albeit a necessary one. I, too, was taken back by Shelly's response as well as a little upset that I may have offended you. I thought about it the whole time I worked out at the gym today. Here is how I feel. So, Shelly blew off a litle steam. She has shown incredible restraint in the past. I haven't reread any of the post, but I don't remember the phrase brats being used. And yes some people have lacked maturity when attacking Al. I have always tried to put these things into context---how old people are, how much work they've put in etc. The irony here is that most if not all of these people are huge fans and mean so well. I'm not trying to use trivializing language here, but the whole thing is just very unfortunate. Any one who actually goes to the trouble of putting together a site is obviously a supporter or fan. Hopefully adjustments will be made if need be by all parties involved.

[GlamourPuss]

Originally posted by keith_t4e
gp, thank you for your response. Although I may lack the technical knowledge of web design and all that it intails, I do understand the fundamental problem you're concerned about. Several of the threads about Al did go a bit overboard I thought. My concern as you may have read in an earlier post has to do with how busy Al and some others may be as Christina is not their only client. I took a brief look at his, Al's, web site Big Noise. From what I could see based on a brief preliminary viewing, Christina is one of if not the major client. I can only hope that the site management is a priority. I have the same concern for manager extraordinaire Irvin Azoff as I know he has other major clients. In that case, I imagine he has subordinates who help him----I don't know. With the cd, tour etc. coming up, it will be very important for the fan club, web site and management to all be running effeciently. The change in management was an upheavel albeit a necessary one. I, too, was taken back by Shelly's response as well as a little upset that I may have offended you. I thought about it the whole time I worked out at the gym today. Here is how I feel. So, Shelly blew off a litle steam. She has shown incredible restraint in the past. I haven't reread any of the post, but I don't remember the phrase brats being used. And yes some people have lacked maturity when attacking Al. I have always tried to put these things into context---how old people are, how much work they've put in etc. The irony here is that most if not all of these people are huge fans and mean so well. I'm not trying to use trivializing language here, but the whole thing is just very unfortunate. Any one who actually goes to the trouble of putting together a site is obviously a supporter or fan. Hopefully adjustments will be made if need be by all parties involved.


Keith,

No, Shelly didn't call anyone a brat, she called them immature liars, I think that was enough to raise some peoples blood pressure, hence the derrogatory responses by some. I believe you are right, hopefully some adjustments will be made, because they are needed, at least, if the parties involved would like to maintain cerdibility and good moral standing with the fans.

The saddest part of this whole thing is how out of hand it got. Things should have been dealt with privately between Shelly, Al, Kerry, and Christina Blue. Unfortunately this wasn't so, and now more than just Al's reputation is at stake here for as you can clearly see, some people will never feel the same about Shelly or Christina again.

It seems silly to think of it in these terms, but the expression 'The apple doesn't fall far from the tree' has been heard these past few days amoung fans and webmasters alike in regards to Christina. I'd hate to think that this whole mess has really even gone that far, but alas, people are very passionate about the stars they love and the work put into them.

I feel bad for Shelly. She probably didn't think much would become of her response, but that was probably the crux of it all to begin with. Maybe we've all learned a good lesson from this whole ordeal, and it has to do with respect. The next time anyone thinks of taking content from someone elses website and pawning it off as their own, maybe they'll be reminded of how hard someone else worked to get that material. Maybe they'll then think twice about not giving that person credit and how rude that can be.

The biggest lesson of all though, is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions about anyone or anything. Shelly made some hurtful and uncalculated statements to many devoted Christina fans. I am sure it wasn't done on purpose, but the damage has been done, and it simply can't be taken back.

Maybe in due time people will forget about this, but I highly doubt it, and that's unfortunate.

Happy Holidays,
Glam

[Jorge Santos 4E]

I was gonna say sumthing but i said i will not talk about this again...

[Unknownperson]

uhh where did all my posts go??

[keith_t4e]

I can't speak for others who post on here. I simply don't know what goes on behing the scenes. IMO Al is the one who may have misscalculated when he failed to credit. It's hard to imagine an accomplished professional intentionally using others work and being naive enough to think it would go unnoticed. He may have not realized how much trouble this would cause. He may have not really meant to intentionally fail to credit underestimating how strongly others felt about it. I always try to give others the benifit of the doubt. As far as Miss Shelly goes, she, too, has the right to express her opinion however she sees fit. Honestly, she would be well within her rights to simply stay above the fray. I hope both she and Christina will once again visit us here on LD. I also hope that the before mentioned individuals will all continue to work behind the scenes to smooth things over because we are all working for the same team-----fans who run sites, Al etc.
Thank you and I look forward to posting with you on other topics as well.

[Jorge Santos 4E]

i came here to see if ya wrote nething while i was gone and i was like uh?! My posts?! and Then I look and urs were all gone!

I think they were deleted cuz they were too off topic...
but mine were too so...

[GlamourPuss]

Originally posted by keith_t4e
I can't speak for others who post on here. I simply don't know what goes on behing the scenes. IMO Al is the one who may have misscalculated when he failed to credit. It's hard to imagine an accomplished professional intentionally using others work and being naive enough to think it would go unnoticed. He may have not realized how much trouble this would cause. He may have not really meant to intentionally fail to credit underestimating how strongly others felt about it. I always try to give others the benifit of the doubt. As far as Miss Shelly goes, she, too, has the right to express her opinion however she sees fit. Honestly, she would be well within her rights to simply stay above the fray. I hope both she and Christina will once again visit us here on LD. I also hope that the before mentioned individuals will all continue to work behind the scenes to smooth things over because we are all working for the same team-----fans who run sites, Al etc.
Thank you and I look forward to posting with you on other topics as well.


Well there could have been some kind of miscommunication when things started, but the emails Al wrote Kerry and Christina Blue indicated the exact opposite. I have known Kerry for a long time and I know she would not make something like those emails up, what would she gain from doing such a stupid thing? Nothing at all, which is why I came to her defense in the first place. The notion that those emails weren't written by Al but rather conjured up for attention, is pathetic.

I hope everyone here realizes how much hard work Kerry does trying to bring them the latest pictures and news about Christina. It's sad to think that Shelly could ever accuse her of lying and I do hope it all gets smoothed over privately. I think next time everyone should try to work things out before making it public.

Peace.

[christina's_no1]

GlamourPuss and Keith......do u not think it would be better to speak in PMs?

[Jorge Santos 4E]

STOP talking IN HERE ABOUT IT PLEAAAASSSE! I AGREE TALK THRU PM's

[Unknownperson]

yeah GlamousPuss just take your speeches to PM's. :rolleyes:

Shaina - (i hope thats spelled right) Well Im kinda glad they were deleted. Someone was accusing me of flirting with a girl and thats just GROSSSSSS

[Jorge Santos 4E]

WHEN I READ THAT I WAS LIKE HUH?! FLIRTING?! hahaha THAT WAS FUNNY

and yup it's spelled correctly!:)

[Unknownperson]

no that wasnt funny! I took that offensively because im FAR from doign anything like flirting with girls. If you knew me, you would understand lol.
And yyay! I can spell!

[Jorge Santos 4E]

I SEe

[mishatqueen]

Ummm... half a page of posts were deleted and now 1 of my posts dont make since. :eek: :mad: ;) :)

o.k. my post is just full of smilies.

[MissChriss]

Well, Well, Well, Happy? Holidays All!

I have been away from the board for almost a week and I come back to all this drama. lol! I can't believe this whole thing has blown up like this. It took me over an hour to read this whole thread (mike and nik, i truly felt sorry for you for this week-I take it you've been on Excedrin). Anyway, let me just add my 2 cents.

I don't know who stole what from whom since I don't know a damn thing about webmastering and the like; however, since i am a little older that some of you on this board, I do know a lil something about life so I want to give some of you a lil advice

LET IT GO, LET IT GO, LET IT GO!

Because you will not win!. If I had been on LD consistently last week, I would have told you that from the jump. I don't care if you are justified, if you are right, if you were wronged, you will not win. I know its hurtful when you know you are right and you aren't taken seriously but it's just a part of life. Ms. Shelly has said that she is a 3rd party in the middle, but from what I read, its clear that she is leaning toward one way more than the other. There's nothing you can do about it. But I can't blame her though,She knows Al, she doesn't know you. I dont care if you have a video tape showing Al in the act of moving the pictures from one site to the other, it does not matter. Believe me, I have been through these situations more than you can count on your hands and common sense and even dead eyed proof still doesn't matter. People will see and believe what they want.

This is the holiday season. I think some of you have spent too much time on this MB, getting hyped up over this issue. I would hate to see you be all stressed out and ticked off during your holiday over something you can't control.

I know some of you thought that the petition, if you get enough sigs that Shelly would read it and then maybe read Al the riot act and he'd shape up. That a miraculous change would happen to the website and Christina would have the best Offical website on the internet ever, but as Shelly said herself, you got you bubble bursted and it fliped on ya. More often than not, that the way things go. The only thing you can control is what goes on with what you own, you own site.

Listen, a new year is coming, thank God, we are leaving this painful year behind. We all should be grateful for what we have because alot of others are still hurting. We have a lot to look forward to. Christina's album will be out real soon and there will be some much news and so many rumors to sort through soon, we won't have time for this nonsense. It would be sad if her fans are not unified.

I'd really hate for the guys who run the wonderful fansites to give up on them. Remember why you started them in the first place. Because you love CHRISTINA! Don't let this situation ruin something you enjoy doing. Look, musicians, artists, comedians, producers, ghost writers etc, all types of people get ripped off, not credited for stuff they did but they don't let those situations frustrate them to the point where they would stop doing what they gotta do.

Hey, you might not win this one but let me tell you about shady people, they always remain shady. It's a habit, its who they are. So, if some one is really shady, the light will shine eventually. A leopard never changes her spots.

For those who participate in the chat, if it happens, I hope that it goes well and this situation can come to an amicable solution.

Here goes to salvaging the rest of the holiday season :)

MissChriss

[Jorge Santos 4E]

*lol* the one where i was talking to Crissy makes N0 sense at all:(

[mishatqueen]

the one I made where I was talkin to you about michelle makes no sense either. :(

[Michj12]

Originally posted by mishatqueen
the one I made where I was talkin to you about michelle makes no sense either. :(

you who what?

[mishatqueen]

:confused:

rephraise :)

[GlamourPuss]

Originally posted by MissChriss
Well, Well, Well, Happy? Holidays All!

I have been away from the board for almost a week and I come back to all this drama. lol! I can't believe this whole thing has blown up like this. It took me over an hour to read this whole thread (mike and nik, i truly felt sorry for you for this week-I take it you've been on Excedrin). Anyway, let me just add my 2 cents.

I don't know who stole what from whom since I don't know a damn thing about webmastering and the like; however, since i am a little older that some of you on this board, I do know a lil something about life so I want to give some of you a lil advice

LET IT GO, LET IT GO, LET IT GO!

Because you will not win!. If I had been on LD consistently last week, I would have told you that from the jump. I don't care if you are justified, if you are right, if you were wronged, you will not win. I know its hurtful when you know you are right and you aren't taken seriously but it's just a part of life. Ms. Shelly has said that she is a 3rd party in the middle, but from what I read, its clear that she is leaning toward one way more than the other. There's nothing you can do about it. But I can't blame her though,She knows Al, she doesn't know you. I dont care if you have a video tape showing Al in the act of moving the pictures from one site to the other, it does not matter. Believe me, I have been through these situations more than you can count on your hands and common sense and even dead eyed proof still doesn't matter. People will see and believe what they want.

This is the holiday season. I think some of you have spent too much time on this MB, getting hyped up over this issue. I would hate to see you be all stressed out and ticked off during your holiday over something you can't control.

I know some of you thought that the petition, if you get enough sigs that Shelly would read it and then maybe read Al the riot act and he'd shape up. That a miraculous change would happen to the website and Christina would have the best Offical website on the internet ever, but as Shelly said herself, you got you bubble bursted and it fliped on ya. More often than not, that the way things go. The only thing you can control is what goes on with what you own, you own site.

Listen, a new year is coming, thank God, we are leaving this painful year behind. We all should be grateful for what we have because alot of others are still hurting. We have a lot to look forward to. Christina's album will be out real soon and there will be some much news and so many rumors to sort through soon, we won't have time for this nonsense. It would be sad if her fans are not unified.

I'd really hate for the guys who run the wonderful fansites to give up on them. Remember why you started them in the first place. Because you love CHRISTINA! Don't let this situation ruin something you enjoy doing. Look, musicians, artists, comedians, producers, ghost writers etc, all types of people get ripped off, not credited for stuff they did but they don't let those situations frustrate them to the point where they would stop doing what they gotta do.

Hey, you might not win this one but let me tell you about shady people, they always remain shady. It's a habit, its who they are. So, if some one is really shady, the light will shine eventually. A leopard never changes her spots.

For those who participate in the chat, if it happens, I hope that it goes well and this situation can come to an amicable solution.

Here goes to salvaging the rest of the holiday season :)

MissChriss




It's easier to let go of something you didn't work hard to make yourself. Sure, everyone eventually has to get over this, but what you're basically saying is that it is futile to defend your property, and that you should just sit back and let people call you an immature liar.

I'm sure most people here don't agree with the defeatist attitude you proclaim can smooth things over. Well it won't, the damage has been done, and I'm frankly quite sick of seeing posts trying to justify what Shelly said.

I think she should apologize, but it's like you imply in your post, we don't live in a perfect world, and I'm sure she'll never say sorry to any of us, even if she knows what she did was wrong.

I can't believe some of the people here want to make excuses for a grown womans lack of insight, bringing up issues of world violence, and other social problems we face. None of those things have anything to do with what happened here, and to try and pull up these tidbits of facts in order to try and lay some kind of guilt trip on these young kids is ridiculous.

Why can't anyone here just admit that Shelly was wrong and that Al was a jerk for doing what he did? Really, it's quite sad to see everyone cower away in fear instead of defending what is right. The only bubble that bursted here was the idea that Shelly could never stoop to such a low level.

[Joseph911]

I Agree With SHELLY! :D

[mishatqueen]

I dont think people can get over being called a liar, by Shelly Kearns.

I dont agree with some of the things shes said. The main thing that was on my mind afterwards was how she can some peopel liars, mention peoples names, then say Merry Christmas, and act like that was the end of the dicussion.

[Jorge Santos 4E]

hmmm how long have u bee here?! Did That Kerry send u here to defend heror him w/e it is?! gees!

Nobody owns it ok?! As far as i see it, It's Xtina on the pics so it's Xtina's! It's Xtina's news so It's Xtina's

MISSCHRIS,
I'VE BEEN SAYIN LET IT GO BUT SUM PPL *ahem* don't.
First of all, I don't think Shelly wanted to bash like that. Maybe indeed Al is telling her a different story. Who is she gonna believe?! Al, or sum immature ppl that take this too far. It started out as blah blah blah but i dont want him to lose his job im jut saying I want a little bit of credit. please... now we got ppl like u GP who are like I dont care Al did this Al did that Shelly just called us that?! OMG:o

[Joseph911]

some of you are so childish! you peopl ehave taken one little thing and taken it as far as this! it is pathetic! :rolleyes:

[mishatqueen]

I'm not pathetic, I'm smart and inteligent. :D

[Joseph911]

all i mean is that this is going to far, i mean, come on, it is not a big deal! i am so disapointed with some of you (not that you care but oh well) and i think shelly is being the most mature person in all this, and why would some of you take down you sites??? that is stupid, whatever, i am creating a site so one will be replaced by another.

[GlamourPuss]

Originally posted by Jorge Santos 4E
hmmm how long have u bee here?! Did That Kerry send u here to defend heror him w/e it is?! gees!

Nobody owns it ok?! As far as i see it, It's Xtina on the pics so it's Xtina's! It's Xtina's news so It's Xtina's

MISSCHRIS,
I'VE BEEN SAYIN LET IT GO BUT SUM PPL *ahem* don't.
First of all, I don't think Shelly wanted to bash like that. Maybe indeed Al is telling her a different story. Who is she gonna believe?! Al, or sum immature ppl that take this too far. It started out as blah blah blah but i dont want him to lose his job im jut saying I want a little bit of credit. please... now we got ppl like u GP who are like I dont care Al did this Al did that Shelly just called us that?! OMG:o


Don't talk about things you have no idea about. The issue of copyright has already been addressed, and NO Kerry did not send me here, she's not an infant and doesn't need me to defend her. I came to speak my mind, and I'm through.

Later.

[Jorge Santos 4E]

I'm through

Thank GOD! :rolleyes:
and believe me, i know what the hell is goin on.

okay whatever:)

Its bad to get me mad at u GP especially when Im already mad because My sister ate the frosting 4 my cake and she stole my Fetish make-up that she said was queer and its almost all gone!

PEACE OUT TO SUBWAY And THE PPL THAT LOST WEIGHT CUZ THEY EAT THERE!

[Unknownperson]

Originally posted by GlamourPuss
I came to speak my mind, and I'm through.
Later.

About damn time you're through!

Originally posted by Jorge Santos 4E
PEACE OUT TO SUBWAY And THE PPL THAT LOST WEIGHT CUZ THEY EAT THERE!
lol!! your funny! :D

[ruta]

I really hope ChristinaBlue and Kerbear don't shot down there website b/c its 1000X better then christina-a.com. But I can't blame them if they did. They don't get paid for spending hours on their site they do it b/c they love Christina.

GlamourPuss-I'm glad there's some one here that nows what there talking about. Instead of asskisser that say one thing and do another thing :)

[MissChriss]

Originally posted by GlamourPuss


It's easier to let go of something you didn't work hard to make yourself. Sure, everyone eventually has to get over this, but what you're basically saying is that it is futile to defend your property, and that you should just sit back and let people call you an immature liar.

I'm sure most people here don't agree with the defeatist attitude you proclaim can smooth things over. Well it won't, the damage has been done, and I'm frankly quite sick of seeing posts trying to justify what Shelly said.

.

Yeah, thats what I'm saying. It's futile. You can't sue, you can't fire anyone, you can't stop anything. All you can do is b***h. And when you're done doing that, what will be the outcome. The same as when you are started. I don't think what I said amounts to a defeasted attitude, if those who feel they have been wronged had any of those options available to them, I would totally support them in whatever action they felt were necessary. Obviously, this situation doesn't provide them with any of those options. All you can do is to put out your side of the story as you know it.


Your point is that we are allowing Shelly and Al to get away with something. My point is, what do you expect us to do? We can sign that petition till Dec 2003 and have 1/2 mi sigs-Nothing will change. The only people that have the power to change it are Al, Shelly and Christina and we see where they stand-firmly behind Al. No one will ever admit to you that anything was taken dishonestly, even it they find out about it later. It will be a misunderstanding or miscommunication, etc, etc.

My point was just to change the mood of the board. I am certainly not bringing up world events to compare with this situation. If you thoroughly read my post, you would understand this.

[Joseph911]

ChristinaBlue and Kerbear 's sites are great but the official site is great also and seen by so many people! i wish they could all work together, u know?

[Joseph911]

Originally posted by MissChriss


Yeah, thats what I'm saying. It's futile. You can't sue, you can't fire anyone, you can't stop anything. All you can do is b***h. And when you're done doing that, what will be the outcome. The same as when you are started. I don't think what I said amounts to a defeasted attitude, if those who feel they have been wronged had any of those options available to them, I would totally support them in whatever action they felt were necessary. Obviously, this situation doesn't provide them with any of those options. All you can do is to put out your side of the story as you know it.


Your point is that we are allowing Shelly and Al to get away with something. My point is, what do you expect us to do? We can sign that petition till Dec 2003 and have 1/2 mi sigs-Nothing will change. The only people that have the power to change it are Al, Shelly and Christina and we see where they stand-firmly behind Al. No one will ever admit to you that anything was taken dishonestly, even it they find out about it later. It will be a misunderstanding or miscommunication, etc, etc.

My point was just to change the mood of the board. I am certainly not bringing up world events to compare with this situation. If you thoroughly read my post, you would understand this.

http://talk.livedaily.citysearch.com/images/icons/suspicious3_technical.gif

[MissChriss]

Joseph911, I don't understand your language. If you have something to say, feel free to say it in english. I'm a big girl.

[Pumplin]

What is the address to ChristinaBlue and Kerbear web site?

[Jorge Santos 4E]

Originally posted by ruta
Instead of asskisser that say one thing and do another thing :)

Hey Im not in the ass kissing mood but i see u are...

ok so i was sucking up... and i can say sumthing and do sumthing else at once. Its not that hard.

If u mean i said something about Al and then said Im on his side, nope never did. Like i said b4, I signed the petition but didn't bash Al. All i said was Michelle was hot. Thats it voila yayaya...

now go to GP land so u can continue kissing her ass.

[Jorge Santos 4E]

Originally posted by Jorge Santos 4E
hmmm how long have u bee here?! Did That Kerry send u here to defend heror him w/e it is?! gees!

Nobody owns it ok?! As far as i see it, It's Xtina on the pics so it's Xtina's! It's Xtina's news so It's Xtina's

MISSCHRIS,
I'VE BEEN SAYIN LET IT GO BUT SUM PPL *ahem* don't.
First of all, I don't think Shelly wanted to bash like that. Maybe indeed Al is telling her a different story. Who is she gonna believe?! Al, or sum immature ppl that take this too far. It started out as blah blah blah but i dont want him to lose his job im jut saying I want a little bit of credit. please... now we got ppl like u GP who are like I dont care Al did this Al did that Shelly just called us that?! OMG:o

yay the first time a mod had to edit my post!
(maybe its not a good thing but its the 1st!)

[ruta]

I didn't say you where an asskisser Jorge Santos 4E. And there's nothing wrong with giving GP her props.

[Jorge Santos 4E]

hey u said asskissers grouping all of us into 1 category.

[Hey, it's me!]

God. No WONDER LD has the reputation it does. No one with a mature mind who may actually have a vocabulary can enjoy posting here. If anyone with an educated mind (like GP) comes here to--God forbid--speak with intelligence and reason, all you little kids jump on her. You don't realize just how ridiculous your responses look and read. It's like why even bother--kids obviously can't comprehend and I can't blame any of you for what you are lacking because it'll all (hopefully, anyway) come with age and experience.

So, like GP, "I'm through." It's a wonder I even stayed here this long.

[Joseph911]

Originally posted by MissChriss
Joseph911, I don't understand your language. If you have something to say, feel free to say it in english. I'm a big girl.

i just think some of you are way out of line ;)

[Catrina]

i'm sooooo late in this thread but who's GP ?

[Joseph911]

Originally posted by Catrina
i'm sooooo late in this thread but who's GP ?


lol, yeah, i got here late also, it took me a while to catch up,lol


GlamourPuss= GP


;)

[Catrina]

lol thanx !

[Jorge Santos 4E]

I have a vocabulary!

negotiation-noun:discussion to reach an agreement
gnarled-Adj:knotty and twisted
innumerable-Adj:to many to be counted
broached-verb:started a discussion about a topic
flagrant-adj:extremely bad
salvo-noun:burst of gunfire or cannon shot
lax-adj:not strict
malady-noun:sickness

so every1 better let me speak my mind because since i can use big words like supercalifragilisticexpialidocious and spell it right i have more of a right than u...

and just because some ppl dont have a good english vocabulary because they are just learning it doesn't mean they dont have as much fun as another

thank u for ur listening skills.
(thats what some ppl need)

[MissChriss]

Originally posted by Hey, it's me!
God. No WONDER LD has the reputation it does. No one with a mature mind who may actually have a vocabulary can enjoy posting here. If anyone with an educated mind (like GP) comes here to--God forbid--speak with intelligence and reason, all you little kids jump on her. You don't realize just how ridiculous your responses look and read. It's like why even bother--kids obviously can't comprehend and I can't blame any of you for what you are lacking because it'll all (hopefully, anyway) come with age and experience.

So, like GP, "I'm through." It's a wonder I even stayed here this long.

LD's rep is no different than any other MB on the net. I wish people would stop with this. Have you read an MSNBC thread lately? They are mostly, highly, educated adults.

And just go back a few steps and read your own post. You don't sound that mature to me.

[Unknownperson]

Hye JorgeSantos4E we talked about ass kissing before! Didnt all of that get edited out??

[Jorge Santos 4E]

haha My posts about it are still here. yours are deleted...

[Unknownperson]

ohhh yeah mine were. i wonder why. oh well i dont really give a

[Jorge Santos 4E]

i wish mine were all deleted cuz now that 1 doesn't make sense.

It sounds like Im talking to myself-

you'd kicksomeones ass that you thought was awesome?!

Its odd okers woah. *lol*

[Pumplin]

"Come together, right now. Over me."


Sorry I had to write that.

[Kerry22]

u know something GP.. it seems that u are the only one keeping this thing going.. all this crazy stuff was ending until u came on here, and started preaching to everyone.. get over it ok? its over and done with so please keep it that way.. you are wasting your time because you are not going to get anything out it.. leave shelly alone please. stop saying how LOW SHE WENT. we are all family here u see, but u, u are an outsider! ok fine shelly got upset, and ok fine she didnt have to mention names but noone is perfect. shelly is going to talk to those girls PRIVATELY! THEY WILL HANDLE IT FINE. i really think she is way to busy to actually know everything ok? NOONE IS AS SMART AS U! u are just the smartest person in the world arent u? im very sure u are a very bright person but the way u are coming off is just PISSING ME OFF.. if u were so mature then u wouldnt waste your time on here going back and forth with ur preaching. Christinablue, and Kerry can handle this on their own. There will be an end to this, i dont know when, but very soon this situation will some how be brought to a stop! i feel that u are only keeping it going. shelly came on here to explain how she felt after she upset everyone, then some started opening there eyes and said u know what? this can be handled! all this is really started to get embarrassing and its making everyone look very bad!!

I like shelly because she keeps it real! she is a very real person and she has feelings and right now her life and her kids life isnt the easiest life to live right now! so what her daughter is a teen sensation, and so what shelly has all this fortune, that doesnt change her as a person. Thats why most of us really adore this woman! Everyone has their good and bad days. You are not helping in this situation. I apologize in advance if this is making you mad. Im dead serious when i say that! I just want this to end, and im sure im not speaking for only myself.

[Kerbear]

Joseph, you have a right to your opinion and I won't debate you on that, but I would rather you not judge me on what I have done or my intentions when you obviously know nothing about it. GP is someone I talked to months ago who saw the situation and responded. I didnt send her and I didnt even know who she was at first.

This situation has been blown WAY out of proportion and it's not the fault of Christina Blue or myself. I would prefer personally to discuss it with Shelly. Nothing may come out of it, but I just want her to know what really is happening.

The biggest problem in all this mess is the assumptions. Assuming that Christina Blue and I are made up the e-mails because Al said we did, or assuming that I sent GP to defend myself. Communication works... How about you e-mail me and ask me next time someone wants to comment on me or my intentions? I am not out to get anyone, I am not a liar, I will give you my honest answer... I have no reason not to.

[GlamourPuss]

Originally posted by singer21
u know something GP.. it seems that u are the only one keeping this thing going.. all this crazy stuff was ending until u came on here, and started preaching to everyone.. get over it ok? its over and done with so please keep it that way.. you are wasting your time because you are not going to get anything out it.. leave shelly alone please. stop saying how LOW SHE WENT. we are all family here u see, but u, u are an outsider! ok fine shelly got upset, and ok fine she didnt have to mention names but noone is perfect. shelly is going to talk to those girls PRIVATELY! THEY WILL HANDLE IT FINE. i really think she is way to busy to actually know everything ok? NOONE IS AS SMART AS U! u are just the smartest person in the world arent u? im very sure u are a very bright person but the way u are coming off is just PISSING ME OFF.. if u were so mature then u wouldnt waste your time on here going back and forth with ur preaching. Christinablue, and Kerry can handle this on their own. There will be an end to this, i dont know when, but very soon this situation will some how be brought to a stop! i feel that u are only keeping it going. shelly came on here to explain how she felt after she upset everyone, then some started opening there eyes and said u know what? this can be handled! all this is really started to get embarrassing and its making everyone look very bad!!

I like shelly because she keeps it real! she is a very real person and she has feelings and right now her life and her kids life isnt the easiest life to live right now! so what her daughter is a teen sensation, and so what shelly has all this fortune, that doesnt change her as a person. Thats why most of us really adore this woman! Everyone has their good and bad days. You are not helping in this situation. I apologize in advance if this is making you mad. Im dead serious when i say that! I just want this to end, and im sure im not speaking for only myself.


Etcetera, etcetera...you just contradict yourself to no end. I said I was through with talking about this, take your own advice and don't drag it along. Typing in ALL CAPS doesn't really drive your point home any further anyway. Talk to me when you have something new to say that might actually enlighten me, I don't feel sorry for Shelly or your little online family. If I piss you off, that is a matter of your own tolerance...or lack thereof.

I never said I was more mature than you, maybe you just feel inferior. C'est la vie!

:)

[Kerry22]

well im happy that u are through... :p

[Unknownperson]

Originally posted by Jorge Santos 4E
i wish mine were all deleted cuz now that 1 doesn't make sense.

It sounds like Im talking to myself-

you'd kicksomeones ass that you thought was awesome?!

Its odd okers woah. *lol*

lol!!

[EScorpion1777]

From what I have read so far GlamourPuss is one of the people I could really relate and understand, Thanks GlamourPuss for actually saying what many of us won't say because we don't want some people acting childish and start getting on your back because of "your" opinion.

[NikDC]

I think this thread has gone on about as long as it needs to. Now people are, for the most part, either sniping at one another or otherwise calling each other immature. I don't see any further worthwhile discussion coming out of it. No one is discussing the chat as an option any more either so I'm just gonna close it up.