New Release Date For JC's CD

[kellygirl]

From the JJB:

Independent Records, a retail store in Colorado, lists the release date for JC's Schizophrenic CD as January 27, 2004.

[HipHopChristian]

You've GOT to be kidding me right????!!?!? Are they serious? Why?

Thanks for posting...

[NickysDreamGirl]

Oh wait a minute....I get why Jive pushed it back because Nick Carter's album is coming out in January too so they want it to be Nick vs. JC. Last fall, it was Nick vs. Justin and they gave all that promo to Justin, so it shall be interesting to see who they favor this time. :rolleyes:

[Katlin]

Originally posted by NickysDreamGirl
Oh wait a minute....I get why Jive pushed it back because Nick Carter's album is coming out in January too so they want it to be Nick vs. JC. Last fall, it was Nick vs. Justin and they gave all that promo to Justin, so it shall be interesting to see who they favor this time. :rolleyes:

Hmm...I don't think that's the reason at all.

[NickysDreamGirl]

Originally posted by Katlin
Hmm...I don't think that's the reason at all.

You obviously don't know how Jive works.

[Salar_ny]

Originally posted by NickysDreamGirl
Oh wait a minute....I get why Jive pushed it back because Nick Carter's album is coming out in January too so they want it to be Nick vs. JC. Last fall, it was Nick vs. Justin and they gave all that promo to Justin, so it shall be interesting to see who they favor this time. :rolleyes:

Oh please, not THIS again. Like Jive has something against Nick. Their job is to help an artist sell as many records as possible. If Nick somehow winds up getting overshadowed by JC, then that's NICK'S fault IMO. He's supposedly a big star, at least according to to his fans. They should be RUNNING to the stores to get his cds. And somehow all these die-hard fans don't know when he has an album out? Yeah, right. (Besides, what makes you think Nick will have a new album ready for January release?)

Record companies do not "give" promotion to an artist. Guess what? Promotion costs money. And guess who's pocket that promotion money ultimately comes from? The ARTIST'S, that's who. The record companies deduct promotion costs -- among many other things -- from a singer's royalties before the artist gets any money from his album. If Justin and his management were willing to work with a bigger promo budget for his album, then that was their choice. Nick, his management and Jive I thought did a very good job of promoting NON. The major difference from what I saw was the larger amount of media attention Justin received, and that was because more people seemed interested in what J was doing, both musically and personally, than in what Nick was doing. I didn't see people who didn't care for Nick anxious to buy or dl his cd like I saw people who swore they HATED Justin keepiing track of nearly everything he did or said. (And THAT'S why Justin gets the attention he does from the media -- and Nick doesn't.)

[NickysDreamGirl]

Originally posted by Salar_ny
Oh please, not THIS again. Like Jive has something against Nick. Their job is to help an artist sell as many records as possible. If Nick somehow winds up getting overshadowed by JC, then that's NICK'S fault IMO. He's supposedly a big star, at least according to to his fans. They should be RUNNING to the stores to get his cds. And somehow all these die-hard fans don't know when he has an album out? Yeah, right. (Besides, what makes you think Nick will have a new album ready for January release?)

Record companies do not "give" promotion to an artist. Guess what? Promotion costs money. And guess who's pocket that promotion money ultimately comes from? The ARTIST'S, that's who. The record companies deduct promotion costs -- among many other things -- from a singer's royalties before the artist gets any money from his album. If Justin and his management were willing to work with a bigger promo budget for his album, then that was their choice. Nick, his management and Jive I thought did a very good job of promoting NON. The major difference from what I saw was the larger amount of media attention Justin received, and that was because more people seemed interested in what J was doing, both musically and personally, that in what Nick was doing. I didn't see people who didn't care for Nick anxious to buy or dl his cd like I saw people who swore they HATED Justin keepiing track of nearly everything he did or said. (And THAT'S why Justin gets the attention he does from the media -- and Nick doesn't.)

It came from Nick's manager that he will have a solo album out by January. Jive did not give the promo that Nick needed because the BSB as a whole group have a lawsuit against them. That's why Jive didn't near what they did for Justin. Jive is a horrible record company who cheats their artists out of so much. I'm hoping that BSB's new manager can get the boys out of their contract and Jive will drop them so they can move on to a different company.

[Salar_ny]

Originally posted by NickysDreamGirl
It came from Nick's manager that he will have a solo album out by January. Jive did not give the promo that Nick needed because the BSB as a whole group have a lawsuit against them. That's why Jive didn't near what they did for Justin. Jive is a horrible record company who cheats their artists out of so much. I'm hoping that BSB's new manager can get the boys out of their contract and Jive will drop them so they can move on to a different company.

-Let's see what the eventual release date is before we start this "JC vs Nick" crap.
-I know all about the lawsuit. Still, there was no reason for Jive to jeopardize Nick's career over it. No successful business that I'm aware of wants to sell LESS of its product than it can. I'm one of many people who thought Nick would sell many more cds than he did, as much because of the solid promotion he received as anything else. I maintain that the album didn't sell a lot because many BSB fans as well as non-fans either weren't interested in buying it or didn't like enough of what they heard from it TO buy it.
-Just how much promo did Nick need? He did the TRLs, the Regis and Kellys, the Tonight Shows, the rounds of radio stations and I saw mentions and features on some of the entertainment news shows. I saw plenty of cds in the stores the week NON was released. I didn't see any big record company displays for him in stores, but I didn't see any for Justified either. What Nick didn't get was the really high profile Barbara Walters-style stuff. Again, THAT was the major difference to me. (You might want to take comfort in this: JC's not gonna get that kind of coverage either.)

[Katlin]

JC is JC. Nick is Nick. Two different artists.

How about we quit trying to make trouble for the SECOND time on this board and cut the competiton bullcrap? :rolleyes:

[Salar_ny]

Fair enough. I have to leave for work anyway. See ya.

[Katlin]

OMG...I SO wasn't talking about you.

I agree with everything you say, pretty much 100% of the time whatever you're talking about. LOL

Sorry for the confusion.

[shellbell21]

I work for a record company and trust me they put their blood and sweat into promoting artists and trying to create awareness. It's not easy to promote an artist, it's not always successful, no matter how successful you were in previous projects. You're name does not guarentee you success every time out of the gate. Many of the stories I've heard so far working with the label are quite sad. It's just whether the consumer catches on and digs the music! Anyone should be greatful for even making it on to the charts. Many fans don't understand that.
I don't want to cause trouble but why does it always seem like it's always JIVE's fault if BSB or Nick doesn't do as well as the fans think they should, NOT everybody feels that way but you all know what I mean. Jive friggin' paid BSB what $60 Million or some absolutely insulting amount of money and the guys aren't happy...WHY? I mean geez, that's more than most artists now-a-days.
I'm not really expecting JC do even do all that well, but I think he'll do well enough. In order for a record company to even break even on what they spend on an artist, the artist usually has to sell a MINIMUM of 250,000 copies of their CD, NOT EASY!!!
I wish more people would learn what the music industry is REALLY like before they jump on the label's cases. A&R's and ADR's bust their asses for these artists, NO label wants to see an artist they put their money behind fail, it's that plain and simple!
Whew! Ok I'll shut up now I don't know if what I just said made any sense! LMAO! But hopefully some of you get it.
And I thought the cause of all these complications on this wonderful board was rid of? What happened?? Just wondering! PINKY YOU KNOW WE ALL LOVE YOU! Hehe!

[Katlin]

Originally posted by shellbell21
Whew! Ok I'll shut up now I don't know if what I just said made any sense! LMAO! But hopefully some of you get it.

I totally got it and totally agree.

It's easy to jump on the label's cases when someone doesn't do as well as expected.

But heaven forbid they actually do well, how often do you hear the fans say "Thanks Jive! This is all because of you!"? You don't.

Oh...the cause of the problems was only temporarily taken care of. Three days later it returned.

[NickysDreamGirl]

Originally posted by Katlin
JC is JC. Nick is Nick. Two different artists.

How about we quit trying to make trouble for the SECOND time on this board and cut the competiton bullcrap? :rolleyes:

NO competition here...I like JC.

[Katlin]

That's beside the point.

If there is no competition in your eyes, don't come here and mention that the only reason JC's album is delayed is because it's JC vs. Nick.

Very very simple thing.

[Seksi_XOXO]

Originally posted by NickysDreamGirl
You obviously don't know how Jive works.

hmmm...and I guess YOU would know. I think you have too much time on your hands.

[shellbell21]

Originally posted by Katlin
I totally got it and totally agree.

It's easy to jump on the label's cases when someone doesn't do as well as expected.

But heaven forbid they actually do well, how often do you hear the fans say "Thanks Jive! This is all because of you!"? You don't.

Oh...the cause of the problems was only temporarily taken care of. Three days later it returned.

Thank you Katlin, you kick ass, at least someone else TRULY understands record labels and promoting somewhat.

[jujusfirecracker01]

Originally posted by Seksi_XOXO
hmmm...and I guess YOU would know. I think you have too much time on your hands.

LOL.... i was just gonna say the same thing to her.

[NickysDreamGirl]

Originally posted by Seksi_XOXO
hmmm...and I guess YOU would know. I think you have too much time on your hands.

All I was saying that BSB has had many problems with Jive. That's it.

[Katlin]

But if it's not a competition, why mention them or ANY of their members whatsoever in a thread about JC in an *NSYNC forum?

It's REALLY not that difficult. Been there. Done that.

[NickysDreamGirl]

Originally posted by Katlin
But if it's not a competition, why mention them or ANY of their members whatsoever in a thread about JC in an *NSYNC forum?

It's REALLY not that difficult. Been there. Done that.

All I'm saying is that I think JC might be faced with those same problems.

[jujusfirecracker01]

i'm confused.... he might be faced with who's same problem? Justin's, Nick's, BSB, or jive?

[jujusfirecracker01]

NickysDreamGirl.... i have a question for you. Why do you keep coming back to this board if all you're gonna do is bash nsync (any of them) and you know people are gonna fight you on it. I mean.... is it really worth seeing how far we'll go til you get banned? Before you even say that you can come to any board you want, you're right... you can. But.... don't come to that board to bash the artist there and not expect people go get pissed off at you.

~ Kim ~

[lost_n_justin's_smile]

Originally posted by jujusfirecracker01
NickysDreamGirl.... i have a question for you. Why do you keep coming back to this board if all you're gonna do is bash nsync (any of them) and you know people are gonna fight you on it. I mean.... is it really worth seeing how far we'll go til you get banned? Before you even say that you can come to any board you want, you're right... you can. But.... don't come to that board to bash the artist there and not expect people go get pissed off at you.

~ Kim ~

Thanks for asking that question, Kim. I'd like to know the answer myself:D.

As for the release date of the album, it may not be a ploy by Jive at all. It could be that JC wanted to put some final finishing touches on it. The "Nick vs. JC" argument shouldn't even be an issue here. It's the music that matters. Nick and JC are both very talented artists, and they both deserve our respect. It's a shame that a very small number of their fans insist on turning everything they do into a war.

[jujusfirecracker01]

you're welcome lanie.... :), now lets just see if she answers me, lol.

:love: ~ Kim ~

[lost_n_justin's_smile]

I doubt it. Last time she made a thread, Emily asked her how old she was like 5 times, and she never answered.

[Katlin]

Sorry to get off subject but...

The Ohio State Buckeyes.

We came.
We played.
We conquered.
Any questions?

Lanie, I agree with the first line of your sig. I agree with the 3rd line.

I do not, however, agree with the second line.

They in no way, shape, or form played today. LOL

[lost_n_justin's_smile]

I know! I'm a big fan, but they sucked today. What was up with Krenzel? He just seemed off.:confused:

[Katlin]

They ALL were off. (Except for my boy Jenkins. Is that boy freakin amazing week after week or what?)

I wanted to throw things watching them.

And the officals sucked. But some of their sucky calls went our way, so I shouldn't complain.

Better be better next week.

[Seksi_XOXO]

Originally posted by NickysDreamGirl
All I'm saying is that I think JC might be faced with those same problems.

Um...what problem would JC be faced with exactly? Being up against Nick Carter the oh-so-popular solo musician? Darn. RE

[GoalGrl21]

You know, if the Backstreet Boys had SO much trouble with Jive, why don't they LEAVE? There's always going to be problems in the Recording Industry whether on the side of the artist, consumers, agents, whomever. It's never going to be a win-win situation and all the parties have to realize it.

Damn I'm glad I'm taking History of the Recording Industry.

Maybe everyone should take this class. I've gained so much more respect for everyone in the industry and when people complain about it that makes me want to SPIT.

[Mrs_Nickolas_Carter]

Originally posted by GoalGrl21
You know, if the Backstreet Boys had SO much trouble with Jive, why don't they LEAVE?

Umm, yeah. Nevermind the fact that they've been in a legal battle with Jive for, oh, over a year now? Jesus, Backstreet Boys. What the hell is your problem? Why don't you just ignore your multi-million dollar contract with Jive and skip on out of town? They'll never find you. :rolleyes: Give me a break! They have been trying to get away from Jive. Ask any of the Boys, and they'll tell you that Jive has been doing nothing positive for them in forever. I was just reading a thread about Leighanne Littrell and how she couldn't stop stressing the fact that Jive is raping the Boys. You can think what you want about Nick and the Backstreet Boys and Jive and Justin and JC and NSYNC and Tom and Dick and Harry. I could care less. My whole point is that, although we don't have proof that Jive is screwing the Boys, you do not have proof that they're not. I am more likely to believe the words coming straight from the artists' mouths than somebody who thinks they have authority on the subject after taking a class on it in college. I am so sick of this comparison bull****. Yes, a "BSB fan" (I made sure to lump her into the 'BSB fan' category, seeing as how everyone forgets the fact that we could all be lumped into the same category of human beings) started the comparisons in this particular thread, but why feed into it if you are so adamant in your disagreement? I do not think that Jive's reasoning behind postponing JC's album was to make it coincide with the release of Nick's new album. In fact, I know for damn sure that Nick's album won't be out by January. I could also care less if Nick sells only one album to me while JC breaks NSYNC's NSA record for first week sales. I am just tired of hearing people compare Nick to every member of NSYNC, as well as their closest friends and family members. Christ, get over it already. Nick is not making music for the sole purpose of beating out Justin or JC for the number one spot. He doesn't even create music of the same genre. Maybe I am confused, but how could you possibly compare them?

[fruitloop]

I do not want to sound harsh in anyway nor do I want to fight with anyone. I do not understand how BSB or anyone connected could feel "raped" by the record company. BSB received a reported 60 million dollar advance from the record company. In other words, BEB recieved their money up front. Those guys are wealthy gentlemen who will never have to work another day in their lives unless they want too. They are free for solo careers and individual endeavors and never worry about how to pay the bills. If they get back together...terrific!

[Salar_ny]

Originally posted by Mrs_Nickolas_Carter
My whole point is that, although we don't have proof that Jive is screwing the Boys, you do not have proof that they're not. I am more likely to believe the words coming straight from the artists' mouths than somebody who thinks they have authority on the subject after taking a class on it in college.
The burden of proof is on the Boys, not any of us; they filed the lawsuit, we didn't. And I'd prefer to hear more specific complaints "straight from" their own mouths rather than from their wives or management or lawyers.
They IMO had their chance to leave Jive years ago. Instead of attempting to buy out their contract -- something I was convinced they would try to do, they renegotiated and got more money. They had their chance to resolve any problems they had at the time, and blew it as far as I'm concerned.
I am so sick of this comparison bull****. Yes, a "BSB fan" (I made sure to lump her into the 'BSB fan' category, seeing as how everyone forgets the fact that we could all be lumped into the same category of human beings) started the comparisons in this particular thread, but why feed into it if you are so adamant in your disagreement?
So if I post that I think that Nick's voice is awful and his body is flabby, his fans shouldn't bother exercising their right to disagree? Someone comes in here, makes an inflammatory, unnecessary statement, and we're supposed to shrug it off?! You stated that you "could care less" (it's actually supposed to be couldn't care less, but never mind that), and yet here you are, contributing to the debate. You could have brushed it off and left it to others, you know.
I do not think that Jive's reasoning behind postponing JC's album was to make it coincide with the release of Nick's new album. In fact, I know for damn sure that Nick's album won't be out by January. I could also care less if Nick sells only one album to me while JC breaks NSYNC's NSA record for first week sales. I am just tired of hearing people compare Nick to every member of NSYNC, as well as their closest friends and family members. Christ, get over it already. Nick is not making music for the sole purpose of beating out Justin or JC for the number one spot. He doesn't even create music of the same genre. Maybe I am confused, but how could you possibly compare them?
Good points all. I hope NickysDreamGirl reads that part, because I can pretty much assure you that the rest of us were already aware (therefore, WE didn't need the lecture). As a matter of fact, it's why some of us responded to her initial post in the first place.

[kENNY]

I could care less about NC's new CD............WTF is up with JC being pushed to the new year....???????????

[Salar_ny]

Oh, I dunno....

1) Company Reorganization - Hasn't their parent company merged or been purchased? That can throw a company's schedule into disarray.

2) The Britney Factor - Maybe Jive thought their resources would be better used if they kept JC away from all the other high-profile pre-holiday releases. But then I hear that Brit's release date is now up in the air (see: #1).

Or, my choice

3) It's Not Ready Yet - Perhaps Jive, JC, or both decided that the album needed another song or two. It's not unheard of, plus I keep seeing posts that JC has been in NY recording.

[Katlin]

Originally posted by Salar_ny
3) It's Not Ready Yet - Perhaps Jive, JC, or both decided that the album needed another song or two. It's not unheard of, plus I keep seeing posts that JC has been in NY recording.

That gets my vote.

[Salar_ny]

Hi, Katlin. Heading off to work again. Catch you later.

[Katlin]

Salar, did you see my post? I agree with you, lol.

Originally posted by Katlin
OMG...I SO wasn't talking about you.

I agree with everything you say, pretty much 100% of the time whatever you're talking about. LOL

Sorry for the confusion.

[GoalGrl21]

Originally posted by Mrs_Nickolas_Carter
Umm, yeah. Nevermind the fact that they've been in a legal battle with Jive for, oh, over a year now? Jesus, Backstreet Boys. What the hell is your problem? Why don't you just ignore your multi-million dollar contract with Jive and skip on out of town? They'll never find you. :rolleyes: Give me a break! They have been trying to get away from Jive. Ask any of the Boys, and they'll tell you that Jive has been doing nothing Did you not read the rest of my post? Sigh.

[Salar_ny]

Originally posted by Katlin
Salar, did you see my post? I agree with you, lol.


Yes, I did. I was going to thank you in a pm, but I'll do it here:
Thanks, I appreciate it very much.

[Katlin]

Originally posted by Salar_ny
Yes, I did. I was going to thank you in a pm, but I'll do it here:
Thanks, I appreciate it very much.

Good. I thought you were being sarcastic and hated me or something. lol

[Mrs_Nickolas_Carter]

The burden of proof is on the Boys, not any of us; they filed the lawsuit, we didn't. And I'd prefer to hear more specific complaints "straight from" their own mouths rather than from their wives or management or lawyers.
They IMO had their chance to leave Jive years ago. Instead of attempting to buy out their contract -- something I was convinced they would try to do, they renegotiated and got more money. They had their chance to resolve any problems they had at the time, and blew it as far as I'm concerned.

So, the Boys aren't the type of people who will go out on national television and air out their dirty laundry. If you happen to ask them about the situation, though, they will be very happy to respond. No, they don't delve into all of the personal details, but the fact remains that Jive hasn't been doing them any favors and probably won't for as long as they're stuck with them. Besides, how do you know what their situation with Jive was like when they had the opportunity to buy out their contract years ago? Maybe renegotiating their contract seemed like the best thing to do at the time. It's pretty much common sense that trying to back out (or rather sue your way out of) a contract isn't the easiest thing to do. Maybe they decided to take the easy way out back then. Maybe not.

So if I post that I think that Nick's voice is awful and his body is flabby, his fans shouldn't bother exercising their right to disagree? Someone comes in here, makes an inflammatory, unnecessary statement, and we're supposed to shrug it off?! You stated that you "could care less" (it's actually supposed to be couldn't care less, but never mind that), and yet here you are, contributing to the debate. You could have brushed it off and left it to others, you know.

Oh, and making personal comments about Nick's voice and appearance is slightly different than arguing over whether or not JC's album is being pushed back to coincide with the release of Nick's. Thank you for correcting my grammar. I still speak (type) a hell of a lot more intelligently than 99% of the people who have been "feeding" into the debate. In my post, I said that I couldn't (God forbid I should make another grammatical error...surely it will give you another point to argue against) care less if JC sells more albums than Nick. What I do care about is the fact that they have to be compared, as though the Justin and Nick comparisons weren't sickening enough.

[Mrs_Nickolas_Carter]

Originally posted by GoalGrl21
Did you not read the rest of my post? Sigh.

Actually, I did.

Oh, and fruitloop, one of the main reasons that the Backstreet Boys are suing Jive is because they are not being paid their due amount based on Jive's accusation that they didn't release their new album by a deadline that had been agreed upon by both parties. One could say that it's BSB's own fault, but their argument is that Jive had their own agenda in Nick and that it prevented them from being able to live up to their contract, especially considering the fact that the album had to be released by all five of them, including Nick.

[pinky junior]

I'd rather stay out of this argument, but I can't help but ask you this: If you want the comparisons between Nick and Justin/JC to stop, then why do YOU keep bringing it up?!

[Mrs_Nickolas_Carter]

Originally posted by pinky junior
I'd rather stay out of this argument, but I can't help but ask you this: If you want the comparisons between Nick and Justin/JC to stop, then why do YOU keep bringing it up?!

I don't keep bringing anything up. I was responding to the thread. Also, did I compare the two of them at any point in any of my posts? Nope.

[Katlin]

Originally posted by pinky junior
I'd rather stay out of this argument, but I can't help but ask you this: If you want the comparisons between Nick and Justin/JC to stop, then why do YOU keep bringing it up?!

Ahh, such wisdom at such a young age. :D

[fruitloop]

I totally understand your point of view and respect it. Yes, If BSB had been able to record and release another album by spring of 2002 then BSB would have received an additional bonus of 6 million dollars. For what ever reason (and I understand the issue of Nick's agenda) BSB was unable to deliver their album. Basically, this gets back IMO to their management not looking out for their best interests. Since I am a novice in the musci industry I could easily be incorrect.

[pinky junior]

Originally posted by Mrs_Nickolas_Carter
Also, did I compare the two of them at any point in any of my posts? Nope.

You're right. You never compared them....And that would actually mean something to me if that's what I asked. Do you need to go back and read my post again? And while you're doing that, please go and look back at your other posts, because I don't feel like quoting the posts in which you brought up the fact that Nick gets compared to Justin and/or JC.

[Mrs_Nickolas_Carter]

Originally posted by pinky junior
You're right. You never compared them....And that would actually mean something to me if that's what I asked. Do you need to go back and read my post again? And while you're doing that, please go and look back at your other posts, because I don't feel like quoting the posts in which you brought up the fact that Nick gets compared to Justin and/or JC.

Yes, I am bringing up the fact that they're being compared, but I am not bringing up actual comparisons. Maybe your post wasn't as clear as it could have been. And the reason I am bringing up the fact that they're being compared is because I am merely responding to the actual comparisons. I just don't see how anybody can compare the two, so yes, I am going to have something to say about it when someone actually thinks that either of them is concerned with beating the other out for sales.

Yes, fruitloop...I agree that all of this boils down to the record company not looking out for their best interests. Nothing new there, of course.

[Katlin]

Originally posted by Mrs_Nickolas_Carter
Yes, I am bringing up the fact that they're being compared, but I am not bringing up actual comparisons. Maybe your post wasn't as clear as it could have been.

No need to be snobby to PJ, who is only bringing up extremely valid arguments.

I don't understand what the difficulty has been here the last few weeks.

BSB topics should stay in the BSB forum and *NSYNC topics should stay here.

If you don't like JC or Justin or anybody for that matter and you aren't mature enough to keep your mouth shut, DON'T COME INTO A THREAD ABOUT THEM!

It's really, really, really simple.

[pinky junior]

Originally posted by Mrs_Nickolas_Carter
I am just tired of hearing people compare Nick to every member of NSYNC, as well as their closest friends and family members. Christ, get over it already. Nick is not making music for the sole purpose of beating out Justin or JC for the number one spot.

I found this on page 3. In the 2 pages before that, 1 person compared the two, and you reacted as though many more comparisons had been made.

I just don't see how anybody can compare the two, so yes, I am going to have something to say about it when someone actually thinks that either of them is concerned with beating the other out for sales.

Having something to say about it is one thing, but bringing it up in almost every post is something different.

And I apologize if my post was not clear enough. However, if you didn't understand what I meant, you should have asked for a clarification.

[fruitloop]

I read the thread because I am greatly in hopes that JC will be successful and more than anything I want NSYNC back together as a group. I responded to the BSB part in this post because it was here and I tried ever so much to be positive and rational. I do hope that my responses were not negative in anyway.

[Mrs_Nickolas_Carter]

I came into this thread to find out when JC's album is going to be released, because my roommate is a huge NSYNC fan. I honestly was not expecting Nick to be mentioned at any point in this thread, but when I saw that he was, I felt the need to respond.

When I say comparisons, I don't necessarily mean the, "OmG, LyKe NiiiiiiiiiccccccKKKKK izzz SO Muchaaaa HoTtEr THAN JC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111's." I am also referring to the people who were implying that the release of their albums should be a huge competition. One of those people was, indeed, a BSB fan. When I originally responded, I was responding to her comments as well as those of others. Whenever I have responded since then, it has been because people were commenting on my posts.

[Katlin]

Originally posted by fruitloop
I responded to the BSB part in this post because it was here

That's the problem. I don't really have a problem with people who responded to the BSB part, since it was already here.

I have a problem with whomever posted it in the first place. And because it's not the first time it's happened.

[Mrs_Nickolas_Carter]

Originally posted by Katlin
No need to be snobby to PJ, who is only bringing up extremely valid arguments.

I don't understand what the difficulty has been here the last few weeks.

BSB topics should stay in the BSB forum and *NSYNC topics should stay here.

If you don't like JC or Justin or anybody for that matter and you aren't mature enough to keep your mouth shut, DON'T COME INTO A THREAD ABOUT THEM!

It's really, really, really simple.

I wasn't trying to be snobby to anybody. I honestly didn't understand the point of one of her posts. I agree that the BSB topics should stay in their forum and that the NSYNC topics should stay in this forum. But when someone happens to bring one of the groups into their "incorrect" forum, people are going to make unnecessary comments, and others will feel the need to respond.

[Katlin]

Originally posted by Mrs_Nickolas_Carter
But when someone happens to bring one of the groups into their "incorrect" forum, people are going to make unnecessary comments, and others will feel the need to respond.

Exactly my point. The original person to bring it up needs to stop. Seeing as how it's not the first time it has occurred.

[pinky junior]

I'm just ashamed to see one of her unnecessary posts get so much attention. :rolleyes:

[Mrs_Nickolas_Carter]

I'm just curious as to why she posted that and left other people to argue about it. :o

[Katlin]

Originally posted by Mrs_Nickolas_Carter
I'm just curious as to why she posted that and left other people to argue about it. :o

LOL, exactly.

[Salar_ny]

Originally posted by Mrs_Nickolas_Carter
I came into this thread to find out when JC's album is going to be released, because my roommate is a huge NSYNC fan. I honestly was not expecting Nick to be mentioned at any point in this thread, but when I saw that he was, I felt the need to respond.
...I am also referring to the people who were implying that the release of their albums should be a huge competition. One of those people was, indeed, a BSB fan. When I originally responded, I was responding to her comments as well as those of others. Whenever I have responded since then, it has been because people were commenting on my posts.

I wish you'd made it a bit more clear that you were just as irritated at the person who first brought up the possibilty of Nick and JC competing for promotion time as you were at the people responding to her. I didn't get that impression from your first post. Yes, you did go on towards the end about disliking the comparisons, but I got a sense that you were even more annoyed at the ones who took her to task over it than you were with her. (I thought the "human beings" reference was also rather patronizing.) Since comparisons of *NSYNC and the BSB on this particular board -- by *NSYNC fans, anyway -- are so rare here, you're kind of "preaching to the choir". Perhaps if you'd made it clear that you were directing a portion of your comments to her, misunderstandings might not have arisen.

I agree that renegotiation may have been the BSB's best/only option at the time (I had a hunch you'd point that out). Still, it looked to me -- at the time -- like they chose more money over things like creative control. Just my opinion.
Comparisons are comparisons. Someone saying Justin has a better body than Nick can get the same sort of response as another person saying Jive wants JC and Nick to compete at the record stores. Either way you're going to get a strong reaction, and yes, the comparisons are ridiculous. I saw some Backstreet fans get just as pissed when Chris wore a Mohawk (after Kevin) as they did when they found out Nick's and Justin's cds were going to be released within a week of each other.

I've really tried not to comment on the lawsuit up until now (and believe me, I'd understand if the Boys preferred to have their lawyers do the talking), but if that bonus was so important to the group why did Nick do the solo album? Yeah, I know about Jive supposedly pressuring him to do it right away, but wasn't anyone in their management on top of the situation? Couldn't they have worked out a compromise with Jive before the deadline? It's their job to look out for the group's interests, not the record company. And if push came to shove, Nick could have told Jive no for the greater good of the group. As it is, it looks as though Nick is suing Jive for forcing him do a solo album instead of one with the Boys. (I understand that it was a great opportunity for him, but if he cost me that much money I'd take a piece out of him!) The Boys should be suing the Firm instead for allowing it to happen, IMO.

[BrianWilly]

I think it's fairly clear from JC's Vegas interview a few days ago that the record company's the one that wanted to move back the release date, not him, and that if he had his way we would be hearing his singles right now.
JC: "Yeah, it wasn't me, I'll be honest with you. But uh, but I guess it was for the right reasons, you know. My record's been done for a couple of months but the record company feels like 'okay well we have to set it up the right way and do the proper deal' and me being a musician I'm like 'no go, no go, it's done, let's go, let's go, what are you waiting for?'

"You know, as far as that's concerned, as much as I want to kick and scream and say go, you know, again, it's up to the record company when they think the right time is to put it out."You can dl the interview at www.pictureonmywall.com

I think we can also assume(note word) that Jive is not out to get JC. They've been crazy about him and his material as per their own bigwig's words. They're the ones who wanted him to do the record, and gave him a lot of leeway in making it. So we have to acknowledge that whatever else they may be pulling, they want this album to do as well as possible, and that these date changes are not some ploy to make him(and us) miserable.

Now, I don't agree with the pushing back of the dates. I think that if they had done their work and marketed and advertized and made JC visible, the album could have been released yesterday and it still would've sold big.
But look at it this way: the music industry is in one of the biggest slumps it's experienced since the early 90s. Music on the radio these days is generally unrecognizable and hard to get excited about. Nothing's fresh except for a few select artists that aren't getting the attention they deserve...I made a post about this just the other day. Justified, the solo album from the most recognizable face in pop music today, did great but not excellent, and the industry has only gotten less profitable over the months. As an artist, JC wants us to get his music NOW. As the businessmen, it's Jive's job to wait for the single most "right" and profitable moment for both them and the artist to release the CD.

I'm not saying I know any of this is actually true, but it's just my take on things and my way of making myself feel better about all this:p.

Okay I'm gonna make a lotta people very scary with this:laugh:, but I just gotta say that I for one am not ready to throw out the good old "Justin vs. Nick" or the newfound "JC vs. Nick" theories. It's a good point that record companies would never do anything to jeopardize their own releases, but look at it this way...what if, by sacrificing the success of one album, they could instead guarantee the profitability of another one that would more than make up for their separate losses?

It's a crazy and totally unprovable theory, I know, but I believe it's so crazy that it might really be the case. Okay, everyone knew from the start that Justifed was going to do better than Now or Never. No offense at all to Nick fans, but if I were Jive records, I wouldn't really consider it a loss at all to further the career of a profitable artist(Justin) at the expense of a far less profitable artist's career.

A few years ago, the art of competition drove the sales of pop artists by extremes. Back in the heyday of BSB vs *NSYNC vs Britney vs Christina vs Jessica vs Mandy vs 98* vs BBMak vs lord knows how many others who I can't remember right now, we all knew that stepping onto these boards was like watching sports fans have at each other. Still is, really, but not nearly to the extent it was before. Everyone was uber-excited about their chosen artists and supporting your favorite act wasn't just about liking their music, it was practically about making a statement...a statement based on the concept of "There are others out there who want to be better than us but we're not going to let them." We could wax poetic about having everyone get along...in fact I myself have done this more than a few times...and I think it's safe to assume that few of these artists actually had it out for each other or something, but the facts remained: Everyone battled over the most ridiculous concepts like fashion sense or concert specials or VMA performances made in separate years, and all of it added to the profitability of pop music.

Now I remember back in the later quarters of 2002, Justin's album release date kept getting switched around too, sometimes backwards and sometimes forwards. When the dust finally settled, Justified was left within a week's striking distance of both Christina's Stripped and Nick's NON. I really don't think that was simple blind coincidence.

And now I'm hearing that both JC and Nick's albums are settled for January. Can it really be a weird twist of fate? Somehow I doubt it.

With all that said, however...I do concede that, like Salar said, a vital reason for Nick's album doing so comparitively unwell was that people just weren't interested, period. I remember the exact attitudes that people had back then...a pretty fair majority of *NSYNC fans at the time expressed a lot of interest in Justin's album, even those that didn't particularly like him, whereas there was some odd sort of animous indifference towards Nick from the BSB fans...if I remember right, at the time he was being blamed for somehow betraying the group right when they needed him the most and a lot of people even made a point of not buying the album. There's no way that kind of attitude didn't cut into his sales.

And then a few months later, the BSB(w/ Nick) sue Jive for forcing him to make an album and jeopardizing the group.

Go figure.

Dangnabbitpoo, this is a long post.

I can't wait for Schizophrenic!!

:music:

[Just_Me_Here]

Originally posted by BrianWilly
Okay I'm gonna make a lotta people very scary with this:laugh:, but I just gotta say that I for one am not ready to throw out the good old "Justin vs. Nick" or the newfound "JC vs. Nick" theories. It's a good point that record companies would never do anything to jeopardize their own releases, but look at it this way...what if, by sacrificing the success of [i]one album, they could instead guarantee the profitability of another one that would more than make up for their separate losses?

It's a crazy and totally unprovable theory, I know, but I believe it's so crazy that it might really be the case. Okay, everyone knew from the start that Justifed was going to do better than Now or Never. No offense at all to Nick fans, but if I were Jive records, I wouldn't really consider it a loss at all to further the career of a profitable artist(Justin) at the expense of a far less profitable artist's career.
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I just wanted to quickly say something here regarding this 'theory'.
Great post/theory!!!

I do indeed think that Jive could very well be pitting JC against Nick, and/or setting Nick up to fail (in comparison to JC) Why would they do that? Because Nick's first album failed, if his second one does too it's a great excuse to drop him. Another possible reason would be to simply p*ss him off. BSB (1/5th of which is Nick) are suing Jive, BSB are not exactly marketable at this point, BSB are simply put more trouble than their worth. Perhaps a failure from Nick would give the Boys incentive to settle this suit, and Jive could be rid of them forever. (Incidently, If BSB want out sooooo bad, I'm sure it could happen quickly. Not to throw out the example of Hanson - but - LOOK AT HANSON! It did'nt take them years and years. They got out rather quickley...But I digress)

I also think that one other factor in the pushing back of JC's album is Britney. Jive is, I'm sure, going to be pushing her down the public's throat. SHE'S they're big hope for the Christmas buying season. By January, the majority of the hype (that's all Britney is about - hype - but again, I digress....) will have died down somewhat. I suspect JC will get a BIG push come January, but make no mistake , Britney is their priority right NOW.

[shellbell21]

November and January are two of the BIGGEST months for record company's to relese CD's, if you notice barely ANY CD's are released in December, they want to get the awareness out for that onth so they release in mid to late November and then the whole month of January a lot of what are to be BIG releases. Jive in a way is doing something quite smart, by pushing back JC they leave more room for people to buy Britney's as Christmas gifts for people and with JC and Nick any people with use their Christmas money to buy the CD in January, it's all record label strategy! It definitely helps working with a major label to learn about these things and TRULY understand how much of the industry works.

I think think it was Salar who said it's the MANAGEMENT's responsibility to get the group what the want not the record label, the labe wants what's best for their sales and it's the manager's job to make both the artist and the label happy! So if anyone BSB should be suing The Firm not Jive!

[NeeCee]

sorry, that bites!

[I_Got_You_Nick]

:o I think this was the most dramatic and boring thread of my life.... This album better hurry up and come out....TRL teased us like how many months ago?!?!:rolleyes:
Lindsay

[Salar_ny]

Originally posted by I_Got_You_Nick
:o I think this was the most dramatic and boring thread of my life.... This album better hurry up and come out....TRL teased us like how many months ago?!?!:rolleyes:
Lindsay


Dramatic AND boring, eh? Wow.
Well, sorry it was such a waste of your time. Thanks for stopping by.

[NeeCee]

As a BSB/Nsync Nick/JC fan....this HAS NOTHING to do with a whole Nick vs JC deal! WTF makes you think that?? Sorry, but come on! I do think Jive is to blame for pushing it back all the damn time, but um no, not becuz of Nick! Nick's style is completely different then JC's! Didnt we go through this BS last year with the whole Nick vs Justin?????????? Quit making it a competion and ENJOY THE MUSIC!

[lost_n_justin's_smile]

Originally posted by NeeCee
As a BSB/Nsync Nick/JC fan....this HAS NOTHING to do with a whole Nick vs JC deal! WTF makes you think that?? Sorry, but come on! I do think Jive is to blame for pushing it back all the damn time, but um no, not becuz of Nick! Nick's style is completely different then JC's! Didnt we go through this BS last year with the whole Nick vs Justin?????????? Quit making it a competion and ENJOY THE MUSIC!

Amen NeeCee:D

[Katlin]

Originally posted by NeeCee
Quit making it a competion and ENJOY THE MUSIC!

I've been saying that over and over, but it doesn't seem to sink in or something....

[NeeCee]

Yeah i know Katlin, and its quite annoying!

[pinky]

I think it's a VERY good thing that I didn't see this thread last weekend, because we'd be in an all-out war with the BSB board over the comment I would have made then. :devil:

I've seen it since, but didn't feel it needed a reply.

I still don't. I just wanted to say something in some thread! :wink:

[NeeCee]

lol@pinky

[Salar_ny]

Originally posted by pinky
I think it's a VERY good thing that I didn't see this thread last weekend, because we'd be in an all-out war with the BSB board over the comment I would have made then. :devil:

I've seen it since, but didn't feel it needed a reply.

I still don't. I just wanted to say something in some
thread! :wink:

Better late than never, I guess. :D

[Salar_ny]

NeeCee, I can certainly understand your annoyance, but you of all people should know that this sort of thing isn't going to go away.
I checked out the BSB board first today and saw the item about the bee flying into some guy's mouth as he was in his car singing along to "Rock Your Body'. After everyone else managed to stay on topic for a page at least, someone HAD to of course make the crack that he should have been listening to Nick instead. Also keep in mind that it wasn't an *NSYNC fan who first brought Nick's name into this thread.
Again, I realize that this sort of thing can be irritating. I just want to make sure that those who actually start this nonsense get the rebuke they deserve.

[powerpuff girl]

:mad: When will it ever be released??? I'm just hoping for sometime this decade by now .....:hat:

[TooManyButtons]

Hi guys, I usually post over at the BSB board, but I've been coming over here and there, and the replies to this topic are sooo interesting. I personally think that all the record companies are cleaning house; profits are down and there's really NO interesting new music on the radio lately. I personally think JIVE is cracking down on both JC and Nick - they basically wanna make money - and maybe the little contrived "competition" they wanna make between JC and Nick is just that - made up to generate interest in the CD's. (I think both JC and Nick are very talented, BTW). I just hope they don't lose the artists in between the promotion. (thanks for letting me post over here!)