Views on suicide.

[Bazza]

Just wondering if you follow the Christian view towards suicide or whether you believe that people are entitled to make up their own mind when it comes to their life?

[tiger_rascal]

I believe that God gave us all life. It is for Him to take away. However, I believe that many people who commit suicide may not be mentally stable and therefore I feel that surely God would know that and understand.

[Bazza]

Mentally unstable? I find that a narrow minded attitude, surely until you've been in that situation it's a subject that you can't comment on as you know little about it. You can't simply justify your response based upon what you've read in a book.

[bombastical]

Originally posted by Bazza
Mentally unstable? I find that a narrow minded attitude, surely until you've been in that situation it's a subject that you can't comment on as you know little about it. You can't simply justify your response based upon what you've read in a book.

You asked for comments, and that's what tiger_rascal did -- gave you an opinion.

I think suicide is the coward's way out.

[tiger_rascal]

Im not basing my response on a book.

I do not need to talk about my personal matters just to back up my view.

Also, I did not say that all people who commit suicide are mentally unstable.

[Bazza]

I did ask for opinions so I guess I should respect his. I just think that saying they're mentally unstable was a little ignorant. As for the cowards way out I thin it's the opposite and these people are brave. I just hope that they find the happiness they deserve. I've been in the situation where I've felt it was the only option and tried but I changed my mind and couldn't go through with it after realising that it wouldn't be only me that I'd end up hurting but people around me. Knowing this and how low I felt at that point in my life I relaise that these people must have felt worse than me to actually go through with it. I think to know what you're about to do and still be able to continue is brave and not cowardly.

[DoubleEdgeSword]

My daughter committed suicide in May. Her name was Loraine.

She was an intelligent, beautiful, loving 25-year-old woman. She had friends and family who loved her dearly. She was an artist. She had a great job and a bright future.

NOBODY knows why. NOBODY understands it.

I will take my leave of this forum for awhile until this subject scrolls off the board, because if I have to read about cowardice or mental instability or if someone says she is in their Christian hell, then I swear on her GRAVE, I will go postal on someone's ass.

Discuss all you want. But until you've lived it, you don't have ANY clue.

[Bazza]

Originally posted by DoubleEdgeSword
My daughter committed suicide in May. Her name was Loraine.

She was an intelligent, beautiful, loving 25-year-old woman. She had friends and family who loved her dearly. She was an artist. She had a great job and a bright future.

NOBODY knows why. NOBODY understands it.

I will take my leave of this forum for awhile until this subject scrolls off the board, because if I have to read about cowardice or mental instability or if someone says she is in their Christian hell, then I swear on her GRAVE, I will go postal on someone's ass.

Discuss all you want. But until you've lived it, you don't have ANY clue.

I'm sorry to hear that and this thread wasn't started with the intent to upset anyone.

[tiger_rascal]

I apologize DoubleEdgeSword.

I know that I can not understand it, which is why I said that surely God understands it.

[smackers]

Double - Going by how you described your daughter, it sounds like the world took a real loss when she left. I'm truly sorry - that's all I can say.

As for the subject - I'm not a Christian, and like most things, I don't think there are any black and white answers.

[Lubyloo]

I dont know what i think, i hope you go to heaven though.

[butterfly]

I have attempted suicide twice, and I'm very glad I didn't succeed. My life hasn't turned out the way I've wanted it to, but I can see now that there's always hope, which I couldn't see back then.

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me the reason I felt like committing suicide was basically that my fear of carrying on living became greater than my fear of dying. I was lonely, I hated myself, and I was afraid of the future.

When I got to that level of misery and hopelessness, I didn't care about my family, the few people who knew me and would miss me, or even whoever would find me. I just had to get away from this life at any cost. I was not a coward. I weighed up the pros and cons of what seemed to me at the time to be a choice between two horrifying fates and chose the one I felt was for the best. I probably was mentally unstable, but that isn't true of everyone who commits or attempts suicide.

When God came to me in the vision I had, and showed me what I'd done to myself, my suicide attempts stood out as the worst, most sinful things I'd ever done. I believe that God forgives suicide victims though, and I believe they are with Him in Heaven.

Suicide is wrong, it's the taking of a human life. I see it as self-murder. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but as I said in the thread about people dying when it's their time, suicide goes against God's plan for us by removing us from this world before our time. But that doesn't mean that suicide victims are bad people. I know some lovely people who've attempted suicide, fortunately for me I don't personally know any who've succeeded, unless you count one of my schoolteachers.

I realise now the pain I would have caused had I succeeded in taking my own life, particularly the first time, when I would have been found by my grandma, the one person who really cared about me, and who I cared about at that time. Yet I still went ahead and did it, because the alternative seemed so bad at the time.

A friend of mine attempted suicide just before Christmas. She took an overdose of insulin. I know other people who attempted suicide before I knew them, but she was the first who'd done it while I knew her, and it gave me a slight glimpse into what I might have felt if she'd succeeded. I'd have been worrying if I could have said something, anything, to have stopped her, even though I know that's impossible.

I hadn't known her for long, and we'd spent most of our time discussing religion. I'd told her about my vision, I'd told her that God had shown me that attempting suicide was the worst thing I'd done, and she still did it. There's nothing you can do, nothing you can say, if someone is in the state of mind where they attempt suicide, nothing else registers. That's what's so scary about it. You can be laughing and joking just a few hours earlier, but you forget that you've ever been happy. You put a negative spin on everything. The glass isn't just half empty, it's completely empty. You feel as if you can't stand the thought of existing for one more minute.

I'm sorry for anyone who has lost someone they love through suicide. DES, I can't imagine what it must be like for you, and I can't find the words to say.

There's no such thing as cowardice where suicide is concerned. Committing suicide is an act of bravery, I know it takes guts to attempt it, but resisting the urge to commit suicide is an act of much greater bravery.

I hope I haven't offended anyone.

[shining star]

Originally posted by smackers
As for the subject - I'm not a Christian, and like most things, I don't think there are any black and white answers. I agree.

I have been suicidal in the past, but I'm very happy that I did not go through with it.

I don't think that it is a selfish act. Isn't it more selfish to want to keep someone on the planet when they're going through so much pain, be it emotional or physical?

Just my .02

[butterfly]

Originally posted by shining star
Isn't it more selfish to want to keep someone on the planet when they're going through so much pain, be it emotional or physical?

If everyone thought like that, I wouldn't be here now. I was so desperate to die, I would have begged anyone who could have helped me to end my life.

It's less clear cut with physical pain, because there are people in very bad states of ill health and nothing can be done for them, and that's getting into the euthanasia argument, which is always a difficult issue, but emotional pain can always be overcome, or at least kept under control with the right kind of help.

I don't feel anywhere near as bad as I used to, and I thought I was beyond help. I don't think it's selfish to stop someone committing suicide because who knows what their future may hold? They might go on to do something really important and live happy lives.

If I'd succeeded in committing suicide in 1995 or 2000, I couldn't have helped save my friend from attempting suicide in 2003. I wouldn't have met people who now love me. Things get hard for me still, but as time goes on, it gets better, and I have faith that I will become a fulfilled and happy person in this life. I have a lot to give to this world, and God wants me here, otherwise I wouldn't be here.

[Sinister]

I think suicide is highly overrated.

[Joey Doodle]

Originally posted by Sinister
I think suicide is highly overrated.
And most people are crap at it. If you're going to do it, at least make sure you do it properly.

[Mattio]

Originally posted by Joey Doodle
And most people are crap at it. If you're going to do it, at least make sure you do it properly. Jumping from a very high building is the ONLY way.

[Joey Doodle]

I'd take the jumping in front of a tube train option. I like the thought of causing disruption to thousands of commuters on their way home and having them all moan about me.

[bluehorizonx10]

I think even expressing ways of attempting suicide is very immature.



As far as Double goes, not one of us will ever know the grief and pain she felt and feels everyday. Losing a child is horrible I'm certain. I can't even imagine it at this point. And discussing this subject of suicide must bring it all back in bright colors. I'm sorry Double, if you ever read this thread again.

For my opinion of the suicide issue I had a personal experience with it as well with a close church family member. And our church is our family! The pastor's oldest son committed suicide. Our church went through many phases of healing. And I can say truthfully that I KNOW within my heart that God brought us through that horrible experience. Our minds had to come along to the understanding that, in this situation, the son was not in his right mind; he killed himself from the grief he felt over losing his youngest brother only 3 months before. He was the oldest and kept asking why he wasn't the one God chose. He had many family issues that made him believe he had no reason to be left here. Thankfully we all were healed through the words God gave our pastor, the son's Father, to speak to us each service for months to come. Most of all I think the faith and strength that we saw his family continue with gave us the realization that God can do anything. He can heal the hurt, He can calm the storm, He can lift us up in all adversity, and most of all He can give us a way out of this life with everlsting life with His Son.........which is exactly what He did for this son imo. I feel we'll meet again in Heaven because he had Jesus as his Savior and nothing can take that away from him in life or death.

[Zodiac]

Originally posted by Bazza
I just hope that they find the happiness they deserve.

Eh? How prezactly? They'll be DEAD

[tiger_rascal]

Some people believe in an afterlife, Heaven perhaps.

[Zodiac]

Originally posted by tiger_rascal
Some people believe in an afterlife, Heaven perhaps.

Jesus, imagine if there is an afterlife after we die. What a fookin' NIGHTMARE that would be! You think you're done with one life and then another one comes along, fookin' DISASTER...

[tiger_rascal]

That would be reincarnation.

Heaven is not like a normal life. Its basically, eternal bliss.

[Zodiac]

Ah, but is suicide not considered a sin? If so they're probably more likely to end up in HELL than heaven, dontcha think?

[tiger_rascal]

Only God will understand.

[bombastical]

I apologize, DoubleEdgeSword.

I think we should either let this thread die, or it should be closed out of respect for her. Especially considering some of the immature comments made.

[tiger_rascal]

I agree.