question..

[TrueB&B_BritFan]

if God told you to quit your job the next time you went into work... would you take it on faith and tell your boss you quit?..

now, actually think about it for a bit, cuz you'd still have bills and what-not, and that's all you get from Him "advice" wise.. cuz you don't know about if you're gonna be able to get another job, etc..

just something that popped into my head to think about... thought I'd post the question on here for you all to think about too :)

[oldernow]

Why would G0d tell me to quit my job?

[tiger_rascal]

I dont hear voices in my head, thank you very much!

However, if someone were to get a feeling that perhaps their job is not suitable and feel the urge to look for another job, that may very well be God "talking" to them.

[bluehorizonx10]

I understand what you're saying Steven. And yes, if I felt that strongly that He was telling me to get out, I would. And that's only because I'd know He had something better for me to do to pay my bills. He tells us in scripture He will never leave us and will always take care of us if only we have enough faith and trust in Him.

BTW you didn't get a word from upstairs did you?? :blueeek:

[TrueB&B_BritFan]

no I didn't Gail lol :)... I just do a lot of thinking sometimes, and that was just one of those "wondering" moments..

Why would G0d tell me to quit my job?
I don't know, that's kinda the point lol... if He wants you to quit, He likely has reasons ;)... but we don't always know about WHY He may want us to do certain things in our lives, that's what faith is for, that we trust God's will is best for us, and most of the time, we WON'T understand it, at least maybe not while we're still alive anyway..

[DoubleEdgeSword]

Interesting..

I wonder what would happen these days if someone said that God spoke to them and told them to sacrifice their son?

[bluehorizonx10]

Originally posted by TrueB&B_BritFan
no I didn't Gail lol :)... I just do a lot of thinking sometimes, and that was just one of those "wondering" moments..


I don't know, that's kinda the point lol... if He wants you to quit, He likely has reasons ;)... but we don't always know about WHY He may want us to do certain things in our lives, that's what faith is for, that we trust God's will is best for us, and most of the time, we WON'T understand it, at least maybe not while we're still alive anyway..

Whew! *wipes brow* at least that's settled. :biggrin:

That's really very good Steven. That is deep thinking and a very important lesson on faith. Thanks so much for that. :)

[bluehorizonx10]

Originally posted by DoubleEdgeSword
Interesting..

I wonder what would happen these days if someone said that God spoke to them and told them to sacrifice their son?

But Double, He would never do that because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice and the only blood shed for us and our sins. So if anyone did say God had told them that, the scritpure would be telling us it's not the truth. In other words they have been taken in by the devil or very badly mistaken.

[Julie2]

When things like this come up it's important to pray about the decision for a time, and perhaps ask others to pray about it for you as well.

[DoubleEdgeSword]

Originally posted by bluehorizonx10
But Double, He would never do that because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice and the only blood shed for us and our sins. So if anyone did say God had told them that, the scritpure would be telling us it's not the truth. In other words they have been taken in by the devil or very badly mistaken.

So, what you're saying is that the Bible is a static book and it will never change. What God and Jesus have said, they can never amend. And there is no chance whatsoever that God may decide to speak directly to any human being.

Didn't God tell Abraham to sacrifice his son? Why is it inconceivable that he would do it again? After all, he is God and he can do anything he wants to do, correct?

[bluehorizonx10]

God made covenents with His children. Isaac was a symbol of the ultimate sacrifice yet to come, Jesus Christ, God's only Son. God made Jesus the sacrifice so no more would there need to be sacrifical animals to be offered for the sins of Israel. ALL people could be saved by their own belief in Jesus, His Son and the blood He shed for ALL of us including Israel and Gentiles alike. We no longer need to come to God by atonement of our sins in sacrificing and the laws of the OT. We now go to God through His Son for forgiveness of all our sins, any sins, as matter of fact.

Jesus was that ultimate promise to ALL the children of God. No more would He need prophecy sayers or sacrifices to show His people the right and wrong. He had His Son, with the gospels showing proof of His life and death and resurrection, and His disciples to be witness of who Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior was and is.

[TrueB&B_BritFan]

And there is no chance whatsoever that God may decide to speak directly to any human being.

I don't know if her reply was saying that exactly... I think the point she was trying to say was that she didn't think God would tell someone to sacrifice their kid... not just that God wouldn't speak to someone..

but you do have an interesting thought about having more drastic things involved like that instead of quiting a job and such (which is mostly faith).
But that would involve SOOOO much more than just faith and trust, because it would involve killing another person, which God normally tells you would be wrong..

and of course, that excuse as against a capital offense wouldn't likely hold up in court of law these days ;)

[oldernow]

If you read the following scriptures you will see that Abraham knew that God would not sacrifice Isaac, but knew that if Isaac were to die God would raise him because it is through Isaac that God promised he would have descendants. This is also symbolic to the sacrifice of Christ for us. It is through the line of Isaac that Christ was born.


Gensis 17:1-6
When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said, "I am the Almighty God. Obey me and always do what is right.
17:2I will make my covenant with you and give you many descendants."

17:3 Abram bowed down with his face touching the ground, and God said,

17:4 "I make this covenant with you: I promise that you will be the ancestor of many nations.

17:5 Your name will no longer be Abram, but Abraham, because I am making you the ancestor of many nations.

17:6 I will give you many descendants, and some of them will be kings. You will have so many descendants that they will become nations.

GENESIS 17:7-8
"I will keep my promise to you and to your descendants in future generations as an everlasting covenant. I will be your God and the God of your descendants.

17:8 I will give to you and to your descendants this land in which you are now a foreigner. The whole land of Canaan will belong to your descendants forever, and I will be their God."

Genesis 17:19-22
7:19 But God said, "No. Your wife Sarah will bear you a son and you will name him Isaac. I will keep my covenant with him and with his descendants forever. It is an everlasting covenant.

17:20 I have heard your request about Ishmael, so I will bless him and give him many children and many descendants. He will be the father of twelve princes, and I will make a great nation of his descendants.

17:21 But I will keep my covenant with your son Isaac, who will be born to Sarah about this time next year."

17:22 When God finished speaking to Abraham, he left him

Hebrews 11:17-20
11:17 It was faith that made Abraham offer his son Isaac as a sacrifice when God put Abraham to the test. Abraham was the one to whom God had made the promise, yet he was ready to offer his only son as a sacrifice.
11:18 God had said to him, "It is through Isaac that you will have the descendants I promised."

11:19 Abraham reckoned that God was able to raise Isaac from death-and, so to speak, Abraham did receive Isaac back from death.

[DoubleEdgeSword]

Okay, perhaps I used a bad example. I didn't mean to start some discussion about Issac.

I'm asking if it is possible that God would speak directly to a human being.

Let's say God decides that some of the Bible is outdated (which some of it is) and calls upon someone, as he did to Moses, and says, I have some new commandments. You need to write them down and share them with all the people. Do you honestly think anyone would believe this person? Because I don't. But, who is to say that hasn't already happened, and we just dismissed that person as some nutcase?

Heck, didn't the Christians burn Joan of Arc for just this same reason?

[bluehorizonx10]

No, I don't think God would come to anyone that way. That's because He gave us all we needed in the Bible to begin with. Afterall He knew all before, during, and after. He knew then what is happening now, and what will happen in the future. So in that respect He provided for all provisions in His Word. There's no need for anything further at all. We only have to believe to learn all He has to teach.

The Bible will never be outdated and if it's not the way we see it here and now, then we are seeing it wrong.

[tiger_rascal]

Revelation 22:18-21 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

That is the final scriptures in the Bible. It is through faith that I believe that nothing needs to be added or taken away from the Bible. God gave us His word in the Bible. Its up to us now to use discernment and have an open mind with the Bible and be willing to learn.

[DoubleEdgeSword]

Originally posted by bluehorizonx10

The Bible will never be outdated and if it's not the way we see it here and now, then we are seeing it wrong.

I think we've discussed these points already. Nobody has slaves anymore. Women aren't property and children aren't stoned for disobeying parents. There are parts of the Bible that were written for a certain time and for a certain group of people. Some of those parts have no relevance today.

[DoubleEdgeSword]

Originally posted by tiger_rascal
Revelation 22:18-21 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

That is the final scriptures in the Bible. It is through faith that I believe that nothing needs to be added or taken away from the Bible. God gave us His word in the Bible. Its up to us now to use discernment and have an open mind with the Bible and be willing to learn.

It says no MAN should change the Bible. God is all powerful. Why couldn't he do anything he wants to do?

[tiger_rascal]

You are right. Has society learned from that? Do we do any of those things now? It was a different time, but we can still learn very valuable lessons from that ancient book! Its amazing when you read into the historical context of it and see how times changed through out the Bibles timeline.

[tiger_rascal]

If God wanted to leave the Bible open, why would He have ended the Bible like that? Perhaps to prevent anyone from changing His words?

[DoubleEdgeSword]

Right. That's my point, Chad. ... to prevent anyONE from changing it (which of course has been done by man but that's another issue) but that doesn't mean God can't change it. He can do anything, right?

[tiger_rascal]

Fair enough, when God returns to earth and every knee bows and every tongue confesses Jesus Christ is Lord, I will be willing to accept any changes He makes to the Bible.

;)

[oldernow]

Okay, perhaps I used a bad example. I didn't mean to start some discussion about Issac.

I'm asking if it is possible that God would speak directly to a human being.

Let's say God decides that some of the Bible is outdated (which some of it is) and calls upon someone, as he did to Moses, and says, I have some new commandments. You need to write them down and share them with all the people. Do you honestly think anyone would believe this person? Because I don't. But, who is to say that hasn't already happened, and we just dismissed that person as some nutcase?

Heck, didn't the Christians burn Joan of Arc for just this same reason?

The Bible is a done deal. There is no need for a prophet to give us a message from God. He has said all we need to know. Jesus fulfilled the Old testament prophecies. The Book ended with Jesus telling his followers to go throughout the world and spread the news to all the nations, and he even tells us what the future holds. We are also anticipating his return as promised.
God can do anything he wants but anyone who is all-knowing must, by definition, know everything and therefore should never need to change His mind because He knew what has, and what will, happen in any set of circumstances. His word is quite clear – He knew us before we were born (Jeremiah 1:5) so why would He ever need to change His words?