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DoubleEdgeSword
Feb 16th, 2004, 05:12 PM
4,450 priests accused of sex abuse
Bishop: 'Very sobering and important milestone'
Monday, February 16, 2004 Posted: 6:28 PM EST (2328 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Children accused more than 4,000 priests of sexual abuse between 1950 and 2002, according to a draft survey commissioned by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

The survey, to be released February 27, found that children made more than 11,000 allegations of sexual abuse by priests. The 4,450 accused priests represent about 4 percent of the 110,000 priests who served during the 52 years covered by the study.

The report is based on a nationwide survey of church records, and was compiled by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice for the conference. The bishops' conference commissioned the survey to get a better understanding of the scope of the crisis.

CNN reviewed a draft copy of the survey. Officials said it may be slightly changed before its release.

More than half of the accused priests had only one allegation against them. Nearly 25 percent, or 1,112 priests, had two or three allegations, and almost 13 percent, or 578 priests, had four to nine allegations, according to the draft report. Nearly 3 percent, or 133 of the priests, had 10 or more allegations.

The report said that 6,700 of the 11,000 allegations were investigated and substantiated, and another 1,000 were unsubstantiated. The remaining 3,300 were not investigated because the priests involved had died by the time the allegation was made.

The director of the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests said Monday that the survey's numbers are low.

"Bishops have tried to hide this for years, so there is no reason to believe all of a sudden they would change their ways," David Clohessy said. "The only prudent thing to do is to assume this is not the entire truth. This is a survey, not a report or investigation."

SNAP, founded in 1989, describes itself on its Web site as the nation's largest, oldest and most active support group for people victimized by religious authority figures.

The president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops issued a written statement calling the reports "a very sobering and important milestone."

"I have not seen the reports, and so I cannot comment on their substance," the statement from Bishop Wilton D. Gregory said. "But I want to reaffirm that the bishops requested these studies so that we could understand as fully as possible what caused this terrible occurrence in the life of our community to make sure that it never happens again.

"My heart goes out to all who have suffered, and I assure them especially that the bishops are committed to fully implementing the Dallas Charter and will continue to work with the Office of Child and Youth Protection and the National Review Board to reach out to victims and prevent such abuse from occurring in the future," Gregory's statement said.

The Dallas Charter is a plan developed by the council in 2002 to protect children from sex abuse by priests.

Bill Burleigh, a member of the conference's National Review Board, said he would not comment until the survey is released. No clergy serve on the review board.

According to the survey, 78 percent of those abused were between 11 and 17, 16 percent were 8 to 10, and nearly 6 percent were 7 or younger.

The survey also said that several factors contributed to the problem, including failure to grasp its gravity, overemphasis on the avoidance of scandal, use of unqualified treatment centers, misguided willingness to forgive and insufficient accountability.

More than 44,000 priests serve in the United States, according to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

DoubleEdgeSword
Feb 17th, 2004, 05:27 AM
Wow. Nine views and no responses. I guess this story scares the crap out of most Christians, huh?

Okay, well then I'll say something.

There are pedophiles in every walk of life, so this is no surprise really. What ticks me off to no end is that many of these priests are still priests. It ticks me off that this issue has been swept under the rug by the Catholic church. It ticks me off that so many in a position of power used that power to thier advantage and injured so many children.

I know some of you will say that these priests are not "true Christians." I maintain they are.

Are we all not sinners according to the Christian faith? Isn't that what the Bible teaches? Is what these priests have done more or less of an abomination, a sin, than say, homosexual sex, divorce or stealing? Are all sins equal in the eyes of God? They are forgiven, are they not, being that they have accepted Jesus Christ as lord and savior? Are they not judged finally in the same way all Christians are judged by God? Does he not forgive their sins if they come to him through Jesus? Is it not for these same sinning priests that Jesus gave his life? Is God the final judge, and not man? Are not all repentant sinners welcome in the house of the lord?

11,000 children.. 11,000! And by most estimates, only 50% of sexual abuse is reported. Who protects the children from these monsters? God? Jesus? The Catholic Church? Who?

I am outraged.

Leezard
Feb 17th, 2004, 07:13 AM
I think it's horrible when any child is sexually abused, no matter who it's done by but when it's done by an adult-someone that a child is supposed to trust-it seems that much more horrible. I find it disgusting that anyone that has been accused of doing something like this would still be in a position of authority because in my opinion it would be best for them to step down until they are proven innocent. I know, I know, innocent until proven guilty but when we're talking about this kind of abuse on a child it really needs to be stopped and if the person is guilty then they shouldn't have the opportunity to do it again.
I will agree that if they were even Christians to begin with then they technically still are and even though all sins are supposed to be equal in God's eyes I can't seem to have that same discression in my humanness. I think that this kind of act is one of the most horrible things a person can do to another person.

Who protects these children from teachers, family members, strangers? Who protects any of us from anything? There are times when I hate that we have freewill because that means that horrible people are "allowed" to be horrible.

db44
Feb 17th, 2004, 07:24 AM
Nobody is commenting on it in the news forums either.

I don't have much to say about it yet. 4% is a relatively small percentage of anything, but on the other hand, if the church had done something other than try and turn a blind eye to the abuse, then that number almost definately would have gone down.

oldernow
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:12 AM
Having commenting on this subject in the past I didnt see any reason to repeat it.

This entire cover up disgusts me. I think that these priests should be punished along with those who knew what was happening and aided them in the cover up.
Your right Double, they are Christians, but I will repeat that that is not what a believer in Christ would do. They are under the guise of serving God but they are not representing God.

oldernow
Feb 17th, 2004, 08:18 AM
All sins can be forgiven, only if one truly repents. These priests continue to do the deed. They are not remorseful, and the worst part is that the higher ups in my opinion are just as bad if not worse for continuing to have these priests in the church when the Bible makes it clear that this kind of behavior is forbidden and warrants them to be tossed out of the church.

CokkaiNe
Feb 17th, 2004, 09:18 AM
It's totally disgusting & even more obsurd that the Catholic Church isn't doing anything about this. How many more children have to be sexually molested before they finally do something about it? :evil:

tiger_rascal
Feb 17th, 2004, 11:10 AM
I have commented on it as well in the past, but I suppose others overlook that. I have nothing more to add, it just makes me sick.

shining star
Feb 18th, 2004, 05:00 AM
How very sad. Why are people so disgusting?

pinky
Feb 18th, 2004, 06:19 AM
Actually, the Catholic Church is (finally) taking steps to remove priests from their positions. The American Bishops have worked on developing consistent policies that will be applied across the country to follow up on accusations, and, most importantly, to prevent future abuse by any priest who has been accused of misconduct.

Way too little, much too late for those who have suffered in the past.

Personally, I've only known 2 priests who have been implicated in any such behavior, and neither of them is still in active ministry.

dramaqueen
Feb 19th, 2004, 01:44 AM
I hope this article will put this report in context.
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/abuse_in_social_context.htm

In a nutshell it gives the percentages of sexual abuse in the Church compared to other sectors of society as well as other Christian denominations. The data shows that family members and people the child knows are far more likely to abuse them. Also, the rates are far higher in the school system. Other denominations have a diferent reporting system and they have higher numbers too.

If you do the math on the actual figures it is a nominal amount because the report covers ALL PRIESTS from the 1950s until now.

This is a quote from that article:
Finally, in the authoritative work by Penn State professor Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests, it was determined that between .2 and 1.7 percent of priests are pedophiles. The figure among the Protestant clergy ranges between 2 and 3 percent.

Now, I am not justifying any kind of abuse. Whomever commits it should be punished no matter who they are. What I am trying to point out is that it isn't ALL priests and it certainly isn't exclusively a "Catholic" problem.
We need to keep things in perspective since the media has a tendency to distort the facts or to report them with a slant to make things look more shocking than it is.

DoubleEdgeSword
Feb 19th, 2004, 06:40 AM
Originally posted by dramaqueen

Now, I am not justifying any kind of abuse. Whomever commits it should be punished no matter who they are. What I am trying to point out is that it isn't ALL priests and it certainly isn't exclusively a "Catholic" problem.
We need to keep things in perspective since the media has a tendency to distort the facts or to report them with a slant to make things look more shocking than it is.

Of course it isn't exclusively a "Catholic" problem; sexual abuse by those in power spreads across every walk of life. We are, however, discussing the Catholic Church's response, or should I say, the church's historical non-response.

One priest abusing one child and still being allowed to work in the same parish or any other parish where he may have contact with children IS shocking. I don't think we need the press to make it more shocking.

Pointing to unrelated statistics is a logical fallacy used by many in power to shift the blame away from themselves. It's an old trick, and one that is immediately transparent.

CokkaiNe
Feb 19th, 2004, 09:38 AM
I think they should keep smaller children away from preists. =/ Men and vows of celibacey for life is not good..

DoubleEdgeSword
Feb 19th, 2004, 10:12 AM
I don't know if I agree with that, CokkaiNe. Celibacy is a choice. If a priest were to break his vows, then who he chooses says more about his sexual proclivities than his ability to live up to those vows. A priest could very well have sex with a woman, or another man. Celibacy doesn't equate with child sexual abuse.

tiger_rascal
Feb 19th, 2004, 10:50 AM
I think dramaqueens post was relevant, in that it points out that the media and people in general are only focusing on just a fraction of the problem.

dramaqueen
Feb 19th, 2004, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by tiger_rascal
I think dramaqueens post was relevant, in that it points out that the media and people in general are only focusing on just a fraction of the problem.

That was exactly my point. I didn't feel there was any blame shifting going on. I felt it was actually giving a fuller picture of the problem.
The Church is not the only place that this had been handled less than positively. It happens in school districts and families all the time. It just sounds better to have a group to blame. There is so much hurt and anger over this issue, and rightfully so, that it is almost a relief to have a place to direct it. However, we need to be careful on doing so. Individuals commit these crimes,not institutions. And how it is handled in the Church is no differenent than in a school district. People pass the buck. And in the Catholic Church's defense, they have recognized the problem and have published reoprts which were sure to fuel the fire. I think that is showing some accountability. I don't see school districts, sports leagues and families coming out with numbers. That was all I was trying to say. It's important that we don't jump on the hate bandwagon, find a way to help, whoever we are.