What, No Karl Rove Outrage From The Right?

[mhafinancial]

I guess it is ok with you guys for Bush's closest advisor to leak the name of a deep cover CIA operative to get even with her husband for questioning Bush's policies in public.

If, say, George Stephanopolous or James Carville had pulled this kind of crap, you'd be calling for a firing squad ... screaming "treason" and demanding jail time.

Talk about a "cancer on the presidency".

[mhafinancial]

Oops, meant to post on the "Rant" page.... Richard, please move it over there. Thanks.

[orthy]

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove spoke with at least one reporter about Valerie Plame's role at the CIA before she was identified as a covert agent in a newspaper column two years ago, but Rove's lawyer said yesterday that his client did not identify her by name.

He described her role, not her. Coulda been anyone.

[orthy]

Besides, this is more interesting as it is perjury...

Gov. Bill Richardson could continue to play a prominent role in the lawsuit filed by Wen Ho Lee against the federal government.

Lee claims government officials leaked classified and personal information about him to the media. Richardson was secretary of the Department of Energy at the time.

The Albuquerque Journal reports that Richardson and several others were again identified in a recent federal court ruling as likely sources for the leaks in 1999 that identified Lee as a suspect in an FBI investigation into loss of nuclear secrets to China.

Lee was charged with mishandling classified information but was exonerated on all but one count.

Richardson has denied in sworn testimony that he was the source for the media reports about Lee.

A spokesman for Richardson said he does not comment on pending litigation.

[August Blues]

The real scandal I want to learn about is Karl Rove's relationship with gay male escort/faux White House journalist Jeff Gannon.

[pinky]

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove spoke with at least one reporter about Valerie Plame's role at the CIA before she was identified as a covert agent in a newspaper column two years ago, but Rove's lawyer said yesterday that his client did not identify her by name.

He described her role, not her. Coulda been anyone.
That's an attorney doing his job. I'll be dancing for joy if it turns out that Rove lied. It'll be great watching you and others squirm trying to justify.

[dukestreetking]

I guess it is ok with you guys for Bush's closest advisor to leak the name of a deep cover CIA operative to get even with her husband for questioning Bush's policies in public.

If, say, George Stephanopolous or James Carville had pulled this kind of crap, you'd be calling for a firing squad ... screaming "treason" and demanding jail time.

Talk about a "cancer on the presidency".

Morris is on record as providing multiple leaks to reporters for the Clinton Admin. Big deal.

As far as this Joe Wilson he is a caught lier (see below) and his theories (lies?) on yellow cake uranium are heresy at best.

The Senate committee produced Plame's memo recommending her husband for the job. This followed Joe Wilson's (her husband) assertions that his wife "definitely had not proposed that I make the trip" and his astonishment that anyone could imagine his wife was "somehow involved in this," saying that "just defies logic."

The main point of the Senate report was to slam the agency for its Mickey Mouse intelligence gathering on weapons of mass destruction. Guess what Plame did at the CIA? She gathered intelligence on weapons of mass destruction.

If I were a Dem I would try to forget this little bit of crow that you all ate. But alas every piece of schit you throw goes into the GOP fan and comes right back in your face. No wonder you're so angry.

DSK

[mhafinancial]

Dukie, you are just way too funny.

[mhafinancial]

Besides, this is more interesting as it is perjury...

Gov. Bill Richardson could continue to play a prominent role in the lawsuit filed by Wen Ho Lee against the federal government.

Lee claims government officials leaked classified and personal information about him to the media. Richardson was secretary of the Department of Energy at the time.

The Albuquerque Journal reports that Richardson and several others were again identified in a recent federal court ruling as likely sources for the leaks in 1999 that identified Lee as a suspect in an FBI investigation into loss of nuclear secrets to China.

Lee was charged with mishandling classified information but was exonerated on all but one count.

Richardson has denied in sworn testimony that he was the source for the media reports about Lee.

A spokesman for Richardson said he does not comment on pending litigation.

Hey, if it turns out he committed perjury, then he should be punished. And frankly if that is the case I'm much happier that it comes out now than if and when he becomes a candidate for national office.

Que sera sera, y'know?

[mhafinancial]

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove spoke with at least one reporter about Valerie Plame's role at the CIA before she was identified as a covert agent in a newspaper column two years ago, but Rove's lawyer said yesterday that his client did not identify her by name.

He described her role, not her. Coulda been anyone.
Actually, what he said was "Joe Wilson's wife". The fact that he did not identify her by "name" is laughable.

It's like saying a mob boss wanted to kill the wife of a "made man" because she was talking too much at the beauty parlor - "Hey, Guido, go make sure that Beppo "The Lip" Galamonio's wife don't go flapping her gums to the broads no more", and then saying the hit man misunderstood when the mob boss is on trial for murder.

[orthy]

Actually, what he said was "Joe Wilson's wife". The fact that he did not identify her by "name" is laughable.

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Regardless of what moveon tells you this is not true (at this moment of course). This is a typical he said/he said leftist smear tactic. Can't beat Karl in November so lets drag him around a bit in July.

The dems can beat the drum as loudly as they want on this issue. Fact is, it's a moot point. The guy is an untouchable.

[mhafinancial]

Regardless of what moveon tells you this is not true (at this moment of course). This is a typical he said/he said leftist smear tactic. Can't beat Karl in November so lets drag him around a bit in July.

From Newsweek, July 18 issue :

Cooper wrote that Rove offered him a "big warning" not to "get too far out on Wilson." Rove told Cooper that Wilson's trip had not been authorized by "DCIA"—CIA Director George Tenet—or Vice President Cheney. Rather, "it was, KR said, wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction] issues who authorized the trip." Wilson's wife is Plame, then an undercover agent working as an analyst in the CIA's Directorate of Operations counterproliferation division. (Cooper later included the essence of what Rove told him in an online story.) The e-mail characterizing the conversation continues: "not only the genesis of the trip is flawed an[d] suspect but so is the report. he [Rove] implied strongly there's still plenty to implicate iraqi interest in acquiring uranium fro[m] Niger ... "

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8525978/site/newsweek/page/2/

[mhafinancial]

Regardless of what moveon tells you this is not true (at this moment of course). This is a typical he said/he said leftist smear tactic. Can't beat Karl in November so lets drag him around a bit in July.
And when (if?) it comes out that Rove did place his own lovely brand of partisanship above national security and the life of a CIA agent, what then?

[orthy]

And when (if?) it comes out that Rove did place his own lovely brand of partisanship above national security and the life of a CIA agent, what then?

It won't come out. Rove would have never let Bush defend him back in 03 if he knew it could someday bite him. Rove is constantly 3 steps ahead of the left. There is no reason to think he slipped up here. If he did I'd be shocked. But I'll believe it when I see it.

[dukestreetking]

I want to know who the NY Times is covering up for. It can't be Karl Rove. What Dem Senator leaked the info to them?

DSK

[August Blues]

I want to know who the NY Times is covering up for. It can't be Karl Rove. What Dem Senator leaked the info to them?

DSK

Me too, but isn't it Judith Miller's decision and not the New York Times? I have a hard time believing she is sitting in a jail cell to protect Karl "pasty white boy" Rove. She's probably passing the time by counting the money she'll make on her bestselling book on the matter. A journalist sent to jail to protect her sources...How dramatic! If her source was Rove, it makes sitting in jail even more sensational and thus increases book sales, speech fees, etc.

This story isn't going away. Did anyone see McClellan's press conference yesterday? Talk about humiliation.

[myhometown]

"you're in a bad spot here, scott"

[Flamingo Lane]

Hey, if it turns out he committed perjury, then he should be punished. And frankly if that is the case I'm much happier that it comes out now than if and when he becomes a candidate for national office.

Or a former president???

[mhafinancial]

The ever erudite Keith Oldermann:

• July 11, 2005 | 11:39 a.m. ET

Karl Rove: Soft on terror (Keith Olbermann)

SECURED UNDISCLOSED LOCATION -- Karl Rove is a liability in the war on terror.

Rove -- Newsweek’s new article quotes the very emails -- told a Time reporter that Ambassador Joe Wilson’s trip to investigate of the Niger uranium claim was at the behest of Wilson’s CIA wife.

To paraphrase Mr. Rove, liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers; conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared to ruin the career of one of the country’s spies tracking terrorist efforts to gain weapons of mass destruction -- for political gain.

Politics first, counter-terrorism second -- it’s as simple as that.

In his ‘story guidance’ to Matthew Cooper of Time, Rove did more damage to your safety than the most thumb-sucking liberal or guard at Abu Ghraib. He destroyed an intelligence asset like Valerie Plame merely to deflect criticism of a politician. We have all the damned politicians, of every stripe, that we need. The best of them isn’t worth half a Valerie Plame. And if the particular politician for whom Rove was deflecting, President Bush, is more than just all hat and no cattle on terrorism, he needs to banish Rove -- and loudly.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8085423/#050711a

[dukestreetking]

This is another losing battle for you Dems. Rove isn't going anywhere and the more you attack the President for something most Americans feel is petty the more swing-voters are going to turn against you.

The Dems just don't get it.

I can't wait for the Supreme Court nomination. There will go a few hundred thousand more swing votes.

You must enjoy digging those holes. It's amazing how much deeper they get every year.

DSK

[dukestreetking]

Me too, but isn't it Judith Miller's decision and not the New York Times? I have a hard time believing she is sitting in a jail cell to protect Karl "pasty white boy" Rove. She's probably passing the time by counting the money she'll make on her bestselling book on the matter. A journalist sent to jail to protect her sources...How dramatic! If her source was Rove, it makes sitting in jail even more sensational and thus increases book sales, speech fees, etc.

This story isn't going away. Did anyone see McClellan's press conference yesterday? Talk about humiliation.

The story isn't going away because of the press but "average Americans" (I love using those Dem sayings) don't care about this story. This is the liberal media and beltway politicos that give a hoot and that's it.

There's no doubt in my mind Miller is protecting someone on the left and that's why she is breaking the law. For crying out loud, she never even published anything on the subject. If the Times could pin this on Rove it would have been done already. But while she's silent the calls go up for Rove's head. Who head is she saving?

Remember how the NYT called for a special prosecutor in this case. :roll:

Another case of the dems getting bit on the azz.

DSK

[mhafinancial]

n October of 2003, shortly after Robert Novak -- over CIA protests -- published Plame's identity, a group of former CIA agents testified before a Senate Democratic Policy Committee on the outing of their colleague. The agents, Larry Johnson, Michael Grimaldi and Brent Cavan, all of whom are Republicans, pulled no punches in their shared statement:

We also want to send a clear message to the political “operatives” responsible for “outing” Mrs. Wilson. Such action was treacherous, if not treasonous. ... Such action has allowed the less attractive aspects of politics to supersede the Government's responsibility to protect the citizens of this nation and the individuals who serve in difficult, dangerous covert capacities. This has set a sickening precedent. The “senior Administration officials” who did this have warned all U.S. intelligence officers and the intelligence community that any one individual may be compromised if providing information or factual analysis the White House does not like.

If left unpunished, this cowardly act [blowing Plame's cover] will not only hinder our efforts to recruit qualified individuals into the clandestine service, but it will have a far-reaching, deleterious effect on our ability to recruit foreign intelligence assets overseas. Who in their right mind would ever agree to become a spy for the United States when we cannot even protect our own undercover officers?

Knowingly or unknowingly, Rove should have kept his mouth shut. The President said anyone in the White House found to be responsible for the leak would be fired.

Where is Karl's pink slip? Or is it another Bush lie?

These guys would lie if it was easier to tell the truth.

[dukestreetking]

The President said anyone in the White House found to be responsible for the leak would be fired.


That's not what he said. Go listen to the tape.

He said anyone who gave the name would be fired. Rove never said her name.

DSK

[mhafinancial]

That's not what he said. Go listen to the tape.

He said anyone who gave the name would be fired. Rove never said her name.

DSK
Oh, right... saying "Wilson's wife" doesn't count.

I forgot you guys like to hang your hat on hair-splitting semantics.

Rush and the rest would have a woody if Clinton tried to pull this kind of crap.

[HeldUp]

Clinton did want a definition of is, Nixon said he wasn't a crook and Reagan couldn't remember if/when he was in a meeting...

Thank God for Ollie North...

[mhafinancial]

Clinton did want a definition of is, Nixon said he wasn't a crook and Reagan couldn't remember if/when he was in a meeting...

Thank God for Ollie North...
Nixon was a saint compared to these guys.

[mhafinancial]

The Big Lie About Valerie Plame

By Larry Johnson (the former CIA Agent mentioned in my post above)

The misinformation being spread in the media about the Plame affair is alarming and damaging to the longterm security interests of the United States. Republicans' talking points are trying to savage Joe Wilson and, by implication, his wife, Valerie Plame as liars. That is the truly big lie.

For starters, Valerie Plame was an undercover operations officer until outed in the press by Robert Novak. Novak's column was not an isolated attack. It was in fact part of a coordinated, orchestrated smear that we now know includes at least Karl Rove.

Valerie Plame was a classmate of mine from the day she started with the CIA. I entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985. All of my classmates were undercover--in other words, we told our family and friends that we were working for other overt U.S. Government agencies. We had official cover. That means we had a black passport--i.e., a diplomatic passport. If we were caught overseas engaged in espionage activity the black passport was a get out of jail free card.


Jul 13, 2005 -- 12:47:20 AM EST
A few of my classmates, and Valerie was one of these, became a non-official cover officer. That meant she agreed to operate overseas without the protection of a diplomatic passport. If caught in that status she would have been executed.

The lies by people like Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, and P. J. O'Rourke insist that Valerie was nothing, just a desk jockey. Yet, until Robert Novak betrayed her she was still undercover and the company that was her front was still a secret to the world. When Novak outed Valerie he also compromised her company and every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company and with her.

The Republicans now want to hide behind the legalism that "no laws were broken". I don't know if a man made law was broken but an ethical and moral code was breached. For the first time a group of partisan political operatives publically identified a CIA NOC. They have set a precendent that the next group of political hacks may feel free to violate.

They try to hide behind the specious claim that Joe Wilson "lied". Although Joe did not lie let's follow that reasoning to the logical conclusion. Let's use the same standard for the Bush Administration. Here are the facts. Bush's lies have resulted in the deaths of almost 1800 American soldiers and the mutilation of 12,000. Joe Wilson has not killed anyone. He tried to prevent the needless death of Americans and the loss of American prestige in the world.

But don't take my word for it, read the biased Senate intelligence committee report. Even though it was slanted to try to portray Joe in the worst possible light this fact emerges on page 52 of the report: According to the US Ambassador to Niger (who was commenting on Joe's visit in February 2002), "Ambassador Wilson reached the same conclusion that the Embassy has reached that it was highly unlikely that anything between Iraq and Niger was going on." Joe's findings were consistent with those of the Deputy Commander of the European Command, Major General Fulford.

The Republicans insist on the lie that Val got her husband the job. She did not. She was not a division director, instead she was the equivalent of an Army major. Yes it is true she recommended her husband to do the job that needed to be done but the decision to send Joe Wilson on this mission was made by her bosses.

At the end of the day, Joe Wilson was right. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It was the Bush Administration that pushed that lie and because of that lie Americans are dying. Shame on those who continue to slander Joe Wilson while giving Bush and his pack of liars a pass. That's the true outrage.

[BruceNut]

heres what I know:

the reporter just finished 2.5 hours in the grand jury and said under oath that it was indeed Karl Rove who leaked info to him.

While Clinton was getting blow jobs in the white house from a female other then his wife, gas was less then $1.80 a gallon, the deficeit decreased each year he was in office and was the lowest it ever was 20 years previous,and none of our troops were being slaughtered in Iraq.

While Bush has been in office the defficeit has risen yearly, gas is the highest its ever been and our troops are being killed every day in Iraq......


mmmmmmmmmmm

[Flory Days]

heres what I know:

the reporter just finished 2.5 hours in the grand jury and said under oath that it was indeed Karl Rove who leaked info to him.

While Clinton was getting blow jobs in the white house from a female other then his wife, gas was less then $1.80 a gallon, the deficeit decreased each year he was in office and was the lowest it ever was 20 years previous,and none of our troops were being slaughtered in Iraq.

While Bush has been in office the defficeit has risen yearly, gas is the highest its ever been and our troops are being killed every day in Iraq......


mmmmmmmmmmmActions speak louder than words, right TIES 2?

[mhafinancial]

heres what I know:

the reporter just finished 2.5 hours in the grand jury and said under oath that it was indeed Karl Rove who leaked info to him.

While Clinton was getting blow jobs in the white house from a female other then his wife, gas was less then $1.80 a gallon, the deficeit decreased each year he was in office and was the lowest it ever was 20 years previous,and none of our troops were being slaughtered in Iraq.

While Bush has been in office the defficeit has risen yearly, gas is the highest its ever been and our troops are being killed every day in Iraq......


mmmmmmmmmmm
I guess this means BJs for everybody!!! Yippeeee.

[orthy]

I guess this means BJs for everybody!!! Yippeeee.

dude, make sure you wash your mouth out..

lol, couldn't resist :):)

[mhafinancial]

dude, make sure you wash your mouth out..

lol, couldn't resist :):)
You are a funny one, D.O.

Nice shot ;).

But you need to get your mind out of the trashcan. This is what I was referring to --> The Club (http://www.bjs.com/) (Nah..lol)

[mhafinancial]

Now would you actually care to comment on what Mickey posted? :D

[Muddyemms]

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/50/chapters/15/subchapters/iv/sections/section_421.html

The relevant parts are:

Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

Cooper's emails revealed that Rove never said the name. He did it in such a way to discredit Wilson; not 'out' Plame. Wilson said, in his book, that his wife had nothing to do with his selection to the job; the Senate Intel Committee found the memo Plame wrote recommending him.

If Rove did anything wrong, why would he have signed a waiver of confidientiality? (Supposedly, Judith Miller's source did not sign a waiver, which means that her source probably wasn't Rove, but someone that the New York Times wants to protect.)

Why don't we read what the Boston Herald, certainly no right-wing "rag," said today?

http://news.bostonherald.com/opinion/view.bg?articleid=93563&format=text

The "barking moonbats" on the Left need to see that there's nothing to this . . .

[Paulie]

[url]
Why don't we read what the Boston Herald, certainly no right-wing "rag," said today?

Ummmm, Muddy, this must have been the first time you've ever looked at the Boston Herald. It is the living, breathing epitome of a right-wing rag.

Trust me.

Paulie

[Paulie]

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/50/chapters/15/subchapters/iv/sections/section_421.html

The relevant parts are:

Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

Cooper's emails revealed that Rove never said the name. He did it in such a way to discredit Wilson; not 'out' Plame. Wilson said, in his book, that his wife had nothing to do with his selection to the job; the Senate Intel Committee found the memo Plame wrote recommending him.

If Rove did anything wrong, why would he have signed a waiver of confidientiality? (Supposedly, Judith Miller's source did not sign a waiver, which means that her source probably wasn't Rove, but someone that the New York Times wants to protect.)

Why don't we read what the Boston Herald, certainly no right-wing "rag," said today?

http://news.bostonherald.com/opinion/view.bg?articleid=93563&format=text

The "barking moonbats" on the Left need to see that there's nothing to this . . .

Seems to me the part I highlighted above would indicate that Rove broke the law.

Paulie

[pinky]

Erik, if I were to say "Erik's wife" do you think anyone would know whom I meant? :rolleyes:

[BruceNut]

Erik, if I were to say "Erik's wife" do you think anyone would know whom I meant? :rolleyes:


Hoser would :)

Pinky you spoiler of all that is fun how are ya?

[Muddyemms]

Seems to me the part I highlighted above would indicate that Rove broke the law.

Paulie

No, Paulie, it doesn't. Rove was trying to discredit Wilson, who had told the media that VP Cheney and DCI Tenet had sent him, when in fact they had not.

Again, my "barking moonbats" quote . . . :p

Pinky, if I hadn't told everyone just what her name is, no, they wouldn't. :p

[Richard Tafoya]

Actually, the quote that Ken Mehlman is distributing to support the RNC's assertion that Wilson says Cheney personally sent him is cherry-picked from this interview with Wolf Blitzer in August of 2003, and the full text actually states the very opposite:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/03/le.00.html

BLITZER: I know you were sent to go on this mission long before the State of the Union Address. When Condoleezza Rice, the president's national security adviser, was on this program a few weeks ago, on July 13th, I asked her about your mission. Listen to this exchange I had with her.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DR. CONDOLEEZZA RICE, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: I didn't know Joe Wilson was going to Niger. And if you look in Director Tenet's statement, it says that counter-proliferation experts, on their own initiative, sent Joe Wilson. So, I don't know...

BLITZER: Who sent him?

RICE: Well, it was certainly not at a level that had anything to do with the White House.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: Is that true?

WILSON: Well, look, it's absolutely true that neither the vice president nor Dr. Rice nor even George Tenet knew that I was traveling to Niger.

What they did, what the office of the vice president did, and, in fact, I believe now from Mr. Libby's statement, it was probably the vice president himself...

BLITZER: Scooter Libby is the chief of staff for the vice president.

WILSON: Scooter Libby.

They asked essentially that we follow up on this report -- that the agency follow up on the report. So it was a question that went to the CIA briefer from the Office of the Vice President. The CIA, at the operational level, made a determination that the best way to answer this serious question was to send somebody out there who knew something about both the uranium business and those Niger officials that were in office at the time these reported documents were executed.

[Paulie]

No, Paulie, it doesn't. Rove was trying to discredit Wilson, who had told the media that VP Cheney and DCI Tenet had sent him, when in fact they had not.

Again, my "barking moonbats" quote . . . :p

Pinky, if I hadn't told everyone just what her name is, no, they wouldn't. :p

Who said these two things are, by definition, mutually exclusive? I'll give you a banking example:

There's a customer I don't like, who's presenting himself as some rich, successful businessman. I contact a reporter, saying I have some dirt on this businessman. I then disclose the fact that this person is overdrawn in all his accounts, has defaulted on a few loans, etc., all to show he isn't what he presents himself to be.

Is my intent to discredit him? Yep.

Have I absolutely shattered who-knows-how many provisions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act? Hell yeah!

So, Muddy, Rove's intent may have been to discredit Wilson, but it sure as hell looks like he broke some laws along the way.

Paulie

[Redrocks]

The story isn't going away because of the press but "average Americans" (I love using those Dem sayings) don't care about this story. This is the liberal media and beltway politicos that give a hoot and that's it.

There's no doubt in my mind Miller is protecting someone on the left and that's why she is breaking the law. For crying out loud, she never even published anything on the subject. If the Times could pin this on Rove it would have been done already. But while she's silent the calls go up for Rove's head. Who head is she saving?

Remember how the NYT called for a special prosecutor in this case. :roll:

Another case of the dems getting bit on the azz.

DSK

Me thinks you may be mistaken on this one DSK. I saw this little piece in the morning paper that causes me to rethink the whole idea about who Miller is protecting and whether it is really "fair" to label a publication one way or another.

From: http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/showcase/la-oe-brooks6jul06.story

In the midst of the media's love-fest for Judith Miller, 1st Amendment Martyr, it's easy to forget that Miller's questionable journalistic ethics left her in the doghouse only a year ago. Indeed, when it came to leaks, the only people busier than White House staffers last year were the denizens of the New York Times' newsroom, who fell all over themselves to excoriate Miller to competing publications.

According to a June 2004 story in New York magazine, for instance, one anonymous co-worker said: "When I see her coming, my instinct is to go the other way." By many accounts, Miller is rude, competitive and heartless, willing to pursue a hot story at any price. In at least one instance, she reportedly used the name of a source who had provided information only on condition that her name not appear.

It was Miller, more than any other reporter, who helped the White House sell its WMD-in-Iraq hokum to the American public. Relying on the repeatedly discredited Ahmad Chalabi and her carefully cultivated administration contacts, Miller wrote story after story on the supposedly imminent threat posed by Saddam Hussein.

Only problem: Her scoops relied on information provided by the very folks who were also cooking the books. But because Miller hid behind confidential sources most of the time, there was little her readers could use to evaluate their credibility. You know: "a high-level official with access to classified data." Ultimately, even the Times' "public editor" conceded the paper's coverage of Iraq had often consisted of "breathless stories built on unsubstantiated 'revelations' that, in many instances, were the anonymity-cloaked assertions of people with vested interests."

[Incident]

There's a customer I don't like, who's presenting himself as some rich, successful businessman. I contact a reporter, saying I have some dirt on this businessman. I then disclose the fact that this person is overdrawn in all his accounts, has defaulted on a few loans, etc., all to show he isn't what he presents himself to be.




That was you!!! I never would have suspected. And I was sooo close to swinging that deal to buy the Brewers last year. DAMN!!

[Flory Days]

That was you!!! I never would have suspected. And I was sooo close to swinging that deal to buy the Brewers last year. DAMN!!
Ya shoulda married Bud's daughter instead of relying on Paulie. :biggrin: :hah:

[Incident]

Ya shoulda married Bud's daughter instead of relying on Paulie. :biggrin: :hah:


Er, she married the help, (I guess Bruce did too) what could I do. BTW How do you run a team into the ground when you father is Commisioner of the league.

[Mr.Outside]

This seems to be turning into the right's depend on what your definition of is is.

[Muddyemms]

I knew that something like this was going to happen . . .

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/15/cia.leak.rove.ap/index.html

Now all Fitzgerald has to do is to find out who leaked this to the Times.

[mhafinancial]

Whether or not Rove learned that Plame worked for the CIA from Novak does not excuse passing along her identity to another reporter.

And remember, Rove and Novak go back a long way playing "leak footsie". Rove got fired from Bush Sr.'s campaign in 1992 for leaking a negative story about Robert Mosbacher to Novak. I would not believe a word either of them have to say if it concerns the other. They have proven themselves to be deucebags-in-arms. BUT, even if true, that is not carte blanche to spread the story to other reporters. Period.

[mhafinancial]

The story isn't going away because of the press but "average Americans" (I love using those Dem sayings) don't care about this story.

DSK

This won't go away so fast...not as long as Bush backpedals on "standards" for people getting fired, and the majority of folks out there think the WH is not fully cooperating.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=949950

[flap]

The real scandal I want to learn about is Karl Rove's relationship with gay male escort/faux White House journalist Jeff Gannon.


Maybe someone should ask Barney Frank

[dukestreetking]

This won't go away so fast...not as long as Bush backpedals on "standards" for people getting fired, and the majority of folks out there think the WH is not fully cooperating.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=949950

You're drinking cool-aid again. Do some research yourself and don't rely on biased media. Bush was very clear in 2002 that if any leaker commited a crime he would be fired. This is the same standard he's maintained all along. Go back to transcripts and be sure to look at your quotes in context to the questions posed him not just the answers. The AP reporter who yesterday said Bush changed his story was causght in a big lie today. Just another example of the media making up stories. America is watching...

President Bush on Sept. 30, 2003, talking with reporters after meeting with business people at University of Chicago.

Q. Do you think that the Justice Department can conduct an impartial investigation, considering the political ramifications of the C.I.A. leak, and why wouldn't a special counsel be better?

A. Yes. Let me just say something about leaks in Washington. There are too many leaks of classified information in Washington. There's leaks at the executive branch; there's leaks in the legislative branch. There's just too many leaks. And if there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of.

DSK

[HeldUp]

It's funny that Bush says that if someone breaks the law they'll be fired. Don't they have to be convicted to be known as breaking the law? That'll take years...

[mhafinancial]

You're drinking cool-aid again. Do some research yourself and don't rely on biased media. Bush was very clear in 2002 that if any leaker commited a crime he would be fired. This is the same standard he's maintained all along. Go back to transcripts and be sure to look at your quotes in context to the questions posed him not just the answers. The AP reporter who yesterday said Bush changed his story was causght in a big lie today. Just another example of the media making up stories. America is watching...

President Bush on Sept. 30, 2003, talking with reporters after meeting with business people at University of Chicago.

Q. Do you think that the Justice Department can conduct an impartial investigation, considering the political ramifications of the C.I.A. leak, and why wouldn't a special counsel be better?

A. Yes. Let me just say something about leaks in Washington. There are too many leaks of classified information in Washington. There's leaks at the executive branch; there's leaks in the legislative branch. There's just too many leaks. And if there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of.

DSK
I find it repugnant and sickening that you - Mr. Gung Ho America National Security Rah Rah guy - can even tangentially make any argument that the using Plame as political retribution for Wilson's statements about uranium and Niger is OK.

Much ado about nothing? So was the 3rd rate Watergate burglary, and that did not compromise a national security operative and operation.

So sit there and defend Rove and Libby. Pretend they did nothing wrong. Blame the Democrats. Blame Clinton while you're at it.

If you cannot comprehend that talking about "Wilson's wife" as an "operative" to a seasoned hack like Novak was wrong, then please don't sit there and yammer about Saddam's alleged WMD program and justify why it was so important to give American lives to this presidential folly, because the evidence of a WMD program is what Plame was seeking out. But since the evidence didn't support the crime, the Bush/Rove character assassination team went into overdrive.

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
The White House
September 30, 2003

Remarks by the President to the Travel Pool After Meeting with Business People
University of Chicago
Chicago, Illinois

[excerpts on White House leak investigation]

Q: Do you think that the Justice Department can conduct an impartial investigation, considering the political ramifications of the CIA leak, and why wouldn't a special counsel be better?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes. Let me just say something about leaks in Washington. There are too many leaks of classified information in Washington. There's leaks at the executive branch; there's leaks in the legislative branch. There's just too many leaks. And if there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of.

And so I welcome the investigation. I -- I'm absolutely confident that the Justice Department will do a very good job. There's a special division of career Justice Department officials who are tasked with doing this kind of work; they have done this kind of work before in Washington this year. I have told our administration, people in my administration to be fully cooperative.

I want to know the truth. If anybody has got any information inside our administration or outside our administration, it would be helpful if they came forward with the information so we can find out whether or not these allegations are true and get on about the business.

Yes, let's see, Kemper -- he's from Chicago. Where are you? Are you a Cubs or White Sox fan? (Laughter.) Wait a minute. That doesn't seem fair, does it? (Laughter.)

Q: Yesterday we were told that Karl Rove had no role in it --

THE PRESIDENT: Yes.

Q: -- have you talked to Karl and do you have confidence in him --

THE PRESIDENT: Listen, I know of nobody -- I don't know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action. And this investigation is a good thing.

And again I repeat, you know, Washington is a town where there's all kinds of allegations. You've heard much of the allegations. And if people have got solid information, please come forward with it. And that would be people inside the information who are the so-called anonymous sources, or people outside the information -- outside the administration. And we can clarify this thing very quickly if people who have got solid evidence would come forward and speak out. And I would hope they would.

And then we'll get to the bottom of this and move on. But I want to tell you something -- leaks of classified information are a bad thing. And we've had them -- there's too much leaking in Washington. That's just the way it is. And we've had leaks out of the administrative branch, had leaks out of the legislative branch, and out of the executive branch and the legislative branch, and I've spoken out consistently against them and I want to know who the leakers are.

Thank you.


Q: Yesterday we were told that Karl Rove had no role in it --

THE PRESIDENT: Yes.

Q: -- have you talked to Karl and do you have confidence in him --

The Artful Dodger does not answer whether he has confiidence in Rove. Even then he knew.

And is it not hilarious how two years ago McClellan swore up and down that Rove had no role in anything, was happy to talk about it all day long, but now won't give any answers other than "There is an investigation going on and I will not comment while there is an investigation going on."

Maybe he should have thought about using that statement before absolving Rove of blame two years ago.

[dukestreetking]

Plame was a hack. She was not in deep cover. She had her name and number listed in the phone book for crying out loud. She had no problem doing a full page spread in Vanity Fair? She must not have thought her outing could cause problems?

As I said before, now that the Supreme Ct. nominee has been announced this non-story will lose steam fast.

Go send out Chuck Schumer to whine some more. He really plays well to middle America. Or maybe have Al Sharpton speak at your convention again. Do you really need to wonder why your party has self-destructed?

DSK

[orthy]

Go send out Chuck Schumer to whine some more. He really plays well to middle America. Or maybe have Al Sharpton speak at your convention again. Do you really need to wonder why your party has self-destructed?

DSK

It begins at the top. This decision will haunt them for at least the next 3 years, probably longer..

"Not only are we going to New Hampshire ... we're going to South Carolina and Oklahoma and Arizona and North Dakota and New Mexico, and we're going to California and Texas and New York. And we're going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan. And then we're going to Washington, D.C. To take back the White House. Yeah! "

[mhafinancial]

http://www.theillustrateddailyscribble.com/daily.scribble.jpgs.05/07.19.05.bush.raises.firing.jpg

[kdrago]

http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2005/07/new_column_i_ag.html#more

Before President Bush's Supreme Court nomination of Judge John Roberts completely overshadows the misidentified Karl Rove scandal, I think we had better take a second look at the twisted direction this sad story has taken.

As far as Karl Rove's conduct in the Plame/Wilson affair, there is no scandal. He didn't come close to committing a crime, nor even an ethical infraction.


He didn't set out to expose a CIA operative, much less an undercover one. He was the recipient of a phone call in which he cautioned Time's Matt Cooper not to be taken in by the politically driven Joe Wilson, whose operative wife, Valerie Plame, had played a great role in securing Wilson's "fact-finding" trip to Niger.
Rove, who didn't even mention Plame's name, couldn't have known she was an undercover CIA agent – because she wasn't. He manifestly wasn't motivated to expose her for the purpose of punishing Wilson – because "exposing" her non-covert status couldn't possibly have damaged her.

[mhafinancial]

Hey kdrago, where did you plagiarize that from?

It is so far removed from reality as to be laughable. :D

[mhafinancial]

http://www.buzzflash.com/wahl/05/07/images/20wahl.jpg

[dukestreetking]

It begins at the top. This decision will haunt them for at least the next 3 years, probably longer..

"Not only are we going to New Hampshire ... we're going to South Carolina and Oklahoma and Arizona and North Dakota and New Mexico, and we're going to California and Texas and New York. And we're going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan. And then we're going to Washington, D.C. To take back the White House. Yeah! "

I forgot about that brilliant political move and how hard I was laughing when I heard the news that he was the head of the party.

DSK

[utahdesert]

I guess it is ok with you guys for Bush's closest advisor to leak the name of a deep cover CIA operative to get even with her husband for questioning Bush's policies in public.

If, say, George Stephanopolous or James Carville had pulled this kind of crap, you'd be calling for a firing squad ... screaming "treason" and demanding jail time.

Talk about a "cancer on the presidency".

No amount of incompetence or criminality will dissuade the "faithful" from supporting the lying scoiopath now occupying the White House.

[lostintheflood2]

Plame was a hack. She was not in deep cover. She had her name and number listed in the phone book for crying out loud. She had no problem doing a full page spread in Vanity Fair? She must not have thought her outing could cause problems?

As I said before, now that the Supreme Ct. nominee has been announced this non-story will lose steam fast.

Go send out Chuck Schumer to whine some more. He really plays well to middle America. Or maybe have Al Sharpton speak at your convention again. Do you really need to wonder why your party has self-destructed?

DSK

Calling a CIA operative a "hack," pointing out that she had her name and number listed in the phone book, and mentioning that she did a cover for Vanity Fair shows that you know NOTHING about that of which you speak.

She is not a "hack," she is a respected member of a very closed community. Having her name and phone number in the phone book says nothing about how undercover she might have been, and the Vanity Fair story was done AFTER Novak opened his trap.

I am beginning to see words like perjury and treason being used to reference this story (and they aren't talking about Clinton getting a blowjob). You are as wrong about this story as you were about the success of Bush's social security plan (it won't happen). This story will not lose steam until the special prosecutor finishes turning over rocks and everything that he has found sees the light of day.

Bush is losing credibility so fast, he'll be lucky to limp to the end of this term. When history looks back at Bush, it will shake its collective head that such a man was ever able to reach the office of President of the United States. It's going to take us a long time to undo the damage he has done to our country.

Here is what Ms. Wilson's colleagues think of the "hack."

Advance: Colleague of outed agent seeks to 'set the record straight'

Copy of my testimony to be presented on Friday, 22 July 2005 before a joint session of Congressional Democrats. / CORRECTING THE RECORD ON VALERIE PLAME / Larry C. Johnson

I submit this statement to the Congress in an effort to correct a malicious and disingenuous smear campaign that has been executed against a friend and former colleague, Valerie (Plame) Wilson. Neither Valerie, nor her husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson has asked me to do anything on their behalf. I am speaking up because I was raised to stop bullies. In the case of Valerie Plame she is facing a gang of bullies that is being directed by the Republican National Committee.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Advance_Colleague_of_outed_agent_seeks_to_setrecord_st_0722. html

[dukestreetking]

Calling a CIA operative a "hack," pointing out that she had her name and number listed in the phone book, and mentioning that she did a cover for Vanity Fair shows that you know NOTHING about that of which you speak.

She is not a "hack," she is a respected member of a very closed community. Having her name and phone number in the phone book says nothing about how undercover she might have been, and the Vanity Fair story was done AFTER Novak opened his trap.


How undercover was she? Not much. I guess it's you that knows NOTHING.

A former CIA covert agent who supervised Mrs. Plame early in her career yesterday took issue with her identification as an "undercover agent," saying that she worked for more than five years at the agency's headquarters in Langley and that most of her neighbors and friends knew that she was a CIA employee. "She made no bones about the fact that she was an agency employee and her husband was a diplomat," Fred Rustmann, a covert agent from 1966 to 1990, told The Washington Times. "Her neighbors knew this, her friends knew this, his friends knew this. A lot of blame could be put on to central cover staff and the agency because they weren't minding the store here. ... The agency never changed her cover status." Mr. Rustmann, who spent 20 of his 24 years in the agency under "nonofficial cover" -- also known as a NOC, the same status as the wife of Mr. Wilson -- also said that she worked under extremely light cover. In addition, Mrs. Plame hadn't been out as an NOC since 1997, when she returned from her last assignment, married Mr. Wilson and had twins, USA Today reported yesterday. The distinction matters because a law that forbids disclosing the name of undercover CIA operatives applies to agents that had been on overseas assignment "within the last five years." "She was home for such a long time, she went to work every day at Langley, she was in an analytical type job, she was married to a high-profile diplomat with two kids," Mr. Rustmann said. "Most people who knew Valerie and her husband, I think, would have thought that she was an overt CIA employee." Asked whether his wife had been compromised before the press leak, Mr. Wilson said, "I have no idea,"

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050715-121257-9887r.htm

[lostintheflood2]

How undercover was she? Not much. I guess it's you that knows NOTHING.

A former CIA covert agent who supervised Mrs. Plame early in her career yesterday took issue with her identification as an "undercover agent," saying that she worked for more than five years at the agency's headquarters in Langley and that most of her neighbors and friends knew that she was a CIA employee. "She made no bones about the fact that she was an agency employee and her husband was a diplomat," Fred Rustmann, a covert agent from 1966 to 1990, told The Washington Times. ..."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050715-121257-9887r.htm

You like to whine about the media and how it distorts the truth, then you quote the Washington Times the mouthpiece of the moonies! Very credible source you have there.

The bottom line is....Rove lied, Libby lied. And American blood is paying for their lies in Iraq. Then they ruthlessly and carelessly endangered our national security to further their own political agendas and now it is all coming to light as the roaches scurry for cover. It's pathetic that you, who obviously see yourself as a patriotic American, would even try to defend them and their actions because it furthers your political agenda.

Like I said before, maybe you didn't see it so I'll repeat it here:

You keep crying about the liberal media. The reality? The media is owned by large corporations. Large corporations are, by their very nature, conservative and careful (it's all about money, right?). There are exceptions on both sides, but there is no "liberal media." That's a red herring to take people's eyes off the ball.

And you keep underestimating the American people. I understand why. The majority of them did vote for Bush. Nevertheless, Americans care about their country and their institutions, especially during a war. I refuse to give up hope that they will care enough about the circumstances that sunk us into this war, to want to know the truth.

If you would take your chin off of Bush's balls, you might find yourself looking for the truth as well.

[lostintheflood2]

"What has suffered irreversible damage is the credibility of our case officers when they try to convince an overseas contact that their safety is of primary importance to us," Jim Marcinkowski, a former CIA case officer, said.

He also criticized Republican efforts to minimize the damage caused by the leak.

"Each time the political machine made up of prime-time patriots and partisan ninnies display their ignorance by deriding Valerie PLAME as a mere paper pusher or belittling the varying degrees of cover used to protect our officers or continuing to play partisan politics with our national security, it's a disservice to this country," he added.

Are you a prime-time patriot and a partisan ninny?

[pinky]

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050715-121257-9887r.htm
That pretty much says it all. How many hundreds of people got married with you? :rolleyes:

[Richard Tafoya]

Larry Johnson (http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/22/23342/2018):

We must put to bed the lie that she was not undercover. For starters, if she had not been undercover then the CIA would not have referred the matter to the Justice Department. Some reports, such as one in the Washington Times that Valerie Plame's supervisor at the CIA, Fred Rustman, said she told friends and family she worked at the CIA and that her cover was light. These claims are not true. Rustman, who supervised Val in one of her earliest assignments, left the CIA in 1990 and did not stay in social contact with Valerie. His knowledge of Val's cover is dated. He does not know what she has done during the past 15 years.

...

I would note that not a single member of our training class has come forward to denounce Valerie or question her bona fides. To the contrary, those we have talked to have endorsed what those of us who have left the CIA are doing to defend her reputation and honor.

As noted in the joint letter submitted to Congressional leaders earlier this week, the RNC is repeating the lie that Valerie was nothing more than a glorified desk jockey and could not possibly have any cover worth protecting. To those such as Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, P. J. O'Rourke, and Representative Roy Blunt I can only say one thing--you are wrong. I am stunned that some political leaders have such ignorance about a matter so basic to the national security structure of this nation.

[mhafinancial]

I want to know who the NY Times is covering up for. It can't be Karl Rove. What Dem Senator leaked the info to them?

DSK
Won't it be a hoot if (when?) it turns out Judith Miller's source is John Bolton?

[mhafinancial]

http://www.buzzflash.com/peyser/05/07/images/25peyser.gif

[mhafinancial]

http://progressivedailybeacon.com/photos/Treason-Rove.JPG

[Travelling Slim]

I want to know who the NY Times is covering up for. It can't be Karl Rove. What Dem Senator leaked the info to them? DSK

Well, at least at first blush, it looks like this New York Times reporter must have at least a smidge of integrity. Turns out she was protecting the Cheney's Chief of Staff.

[mhafinancial]

"President Bush said that even though Rafael Palmeiro apparently lied to Congress about taking steroids he's a friend and he is standing by him. After hearing this Karl Rove started wolfing down steroids." --Jay Leno

"It looks like there may be more people than just Karl Rove involved in this White House leaking scandal that's been going on. They are saying information may also have been leaked by the Vice President Cheney's top aide -- a man named Scooter Libby. Let me tell you something right now. That is not a good name to have if you're going to prison." --Jay Leno

"There are now reports that top White House aide Karl Rove is being investigated for lying to the grand Jury. You know something? That sounds like a rich white guy crime -- lying to the grand jury. You never see anybody on Cops being charged with that." --Jay Leno

"I think Karl Rove is getting a little worried. Like today he said the biggest problem facing Americans -- prison rape." --Jay Leno

"Karl Rove, he is very desperate now. He's trying to improve his image. And, this afternoon, earlier today, he was jumping up and down on Oprah's couch." --David Letterman

"I thought this was nice – earlier today Martha Stewart showed Karl Rove how to slip off an ankle monitor." --Jay Leno

"The president's top political adviser, Karl Rove, is spending all his time working on Bush's next Supreme Court nominee. Well sure, that's because this judge could decide if Rove is going to prison or not." --Jay Leno

"Suspicion for the leak was immediately cast on White House adviser and long time Bush confident, Karl Rove, known as one of the few men in Washington with flesh colored hair" --Jon Stewart

"Karl Rove is in a lot of trouble for allegedly leaking the name of a CIA operative. Remember the good old days when the only thing leaking in the White House was President Clinton?" --Jay Leno

"There are hints now that President Bush might be backing away from Karl Rove. Like, today, he gave him a new job -- ambassador to Iraq. You know what's interesting -- this whole Karl Rove scandal -- it's just like the Clinton scandal. It involves a pudgy person in the Oval Office who can't keep their mouth shut." --Jay Leno

"This puts President Bush in kind of a jam because a year ago he said whoever leaked the name of the CIA operative would be fired. It's a case of Bush spoke too soon; like when he said 'Mission Accomplished.'" --Jay Leno

"Karl Rove is really not worried about this because he knows Bush is extremely loyal to his staff. He never likes to fire his staff -- not out of loyalty; he hates having to learn new names." --Jay Leno

"Karl Rove is in a lot of trouble. The White House says today that President Bush is standing by his top advisor Karl Rove even though Rove apparently revealed the identity of a CIA agent. However, Bush did say he would fire Rove if he revealed the end of 'Charlie and the Chocolate factory.'" --Conan O'Brien

"More problems for Karl Rove -- now he's accused of leaking the plot of the Harry Potter book." --Jay Leno

"This is a tough situation for President Bush because he and Rove are very close. And a friend of both was quoted saying today they finish each other's sentence. Although I am pretty sure Bush starts the sentence, and then the other guy finishes." --Jay Leno

"The big rumor is that Chief Justice Rehnquist is going to resign from the Supreme Court this week. See, I won't believe it till it's leaked to the New York Times by Karl Rove -- then I'll believe it's true." --Jay Leno

[mhafinancial]

I want to know who the NY Times is covering up for. It can't be Karl Rove. What Dem Senator leaked the info to them?

DSK

Hey Dukie, when did Scooter Libby get elected to the U.S. Senate as a Democrat??? :roll: :funny: :roll: :funny: :roll: :funny: :roll: :funny: :roll: :funny: :roll: :funny: :roll: :funny: :roll: :roll: :funny: