Isn't It Nice How The West Has Enough Electricty For This Heat Wave...

[mhafinancial]

Now that Enron is history.....

[TIES2]

Now that Enron is history.....

Yes! Now, if we could just bypass the tree huggers and start drilling in Alaska, who knows, we may never have to suffer rolling brownouts again!

[VermontNJGirl]

Yes! Now, if we could just bypass the tree huggers and start drilling in Alaska, who knows, we may never have to suffer rolling brownouts again!

Actually, if the government would pass a law that all unused lights are turned off after hours in every single business and building in the country,(motion lights can be used for security) and they stopped selling the old fashioned bulbs in the stores so everybody has to use the energy saving ones that don't cost any more, use a fraction of the energy, are just as bright, are cool to the touch and last so much longer, we would cut our energy use in half and solve the problem without any more drillling......

And last but not least, solar water heat should be a given in all new homes. The new panels are barely detectable on the roof. I dream of the day that solar is the main source of all energy in this country.

Our entire house is lit by the new bulbs, and you can't tell the difference. When we redo the roof, the solar water is happening.

It's all so simple. Everybody just needs to take action.

Deb

[mhafinancial]

Actually, if the government would pass a law that all unused lights are turned off after hours in every single business and building in the country,(motion lights can be used for security) and they stopped selling the old fashioned bulbs in the stores so everybody has to use the energy saving ones that don't cost any more, use a fraction of the energy, are just as bright, are cool to the touch and last so much longer, we would cut our energy use in half and solve the problem without any more drillling......
More government interference on our lives? Gadzooks.... ;)

[VermontNJGirl]

More government interference on our lives? Gadzooks.... ;)

Well, WE are the government, and it is up to us to make these changes happen.... :sunny:

Actually, the comment I expected from you was something like: how can this be: a person who supports this administration cares about the environment???? :D :D :D

Have a great day. It's gorgeous out.

Deb

[mhafinancial]

Have a great day. It's gorgeous out.

Deb
Maybe it's gorgeous there, but here in Maryland and most of the rest of the country it'll be triple digits.

As hot as it is, I might as well go to Mexico.

Wait.... I am going to Mexico...and Belize...and Grand Cayman. I forgot :biggrin:

Gotta go pack...no time to argue :roll:

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[TIES2]

Actually, if the government would pass a law that all unused lights are turned off after hours in every single business and building in the country,(motion lights can be used for security) and they stopped selling the old fashioned bulbs in the stores so everybody has to use the energy saving ones that don't cost any more, use a fraction of the energy, are just as bright, are cool to the touch and last so much longer, we would cut our energy use in half and solve the problem without any more drillling......

And last but not least, solar water heat should be a given in all new homes. The new panels are barely detectable on the roof. I dream of the day that solar is the main source of all energy in this country.

Our entire house is lit by the new bulbs, and you can't tell the difference. When we redo the roof, the solar water is happening.

It's all so simple. Everybody just needs to take action.

Deb

I have solar lights in the yard....does that count? :D

I know my first response (the one you are responding to) was a bit flippant, but David's posts almost always elicit that kind of response from me!

And, yes, it is a beautiful day...though heading for a high of 100!

[VermontNJGirl]

And, yes, it is a beautiful day...though heading for a high of 100!

And just think of all that solar energy going to waste! :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny:

Only in the high eighties in Vermont today. What a great place to live.....

Deb

[flap]

Now that Enron is history.....

David, you should look at Grayout Davis not being the Governor here any longer. thats the real reason.
Because of Davis’ gross mishandling of the state’s power crisis. It hurt other states as well as the notoriety of the California Energy Crisis created a disincentive for other states to explore reforms to public power agencies as the means of providing affordable electricity to the public.

[mhafinancial]

No governor can, in the short run, overcome the problems caused by criminal conspiracists.

From MSN Encarta:

The term brownout is often used for partial shutdowns of power, usually deliberate, either to save electricity or as a wartime security measure. From November 2000 through May 2001 California experienced a series of planned brownouts to groups of customers, for a limited duration, in order to reduce total system load and avoid a blackout due to alleged electrical shortages. However, an investigation by the California Public Utilities Commission into the alleged shortages later revealed that five energy companies withheld electricity they could have produced. In 2002 the commission concluded that the withholding of electricity contributed to an “unconscionable, unjust, and unreasonable electricity price spike.” California state utilities paid $20 billion more for energy in 2000 than in 1999 as a result, the head of the commission found.
The commission also cited the role of the Enron Corporation in the California brownouts. In June 2003 the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) barred Enron from selling electricity and natural gas in the United States after conducting a probe into charges that Enron manipulated electricity prices during California’s energy crisis. In the same month the Federal Bureau of Investigation arrested an Enron executive on charges of manipulating the price of electricity in California. Two other Enron employees, known as traders because they sold electricity, had pleaded guilty to similar charges. See also Enron Scandal.

[kdrago]

More government interference on our lives? Gadzooks.... ;)

You should thank God everyday of your life that you live in the United States...All you do is complain about our Government...
I would love to see you survive in another country.

[mhafinancial]

Hey kdrago, it is good to see you are back on your meds.

[HeldUp]

You should thank God everyday of your life that you live in the United States...All you do is complain about our Government...I would love to see you survive in another country.
Thank God we can complain in this country. If we didn't, the capitol would be Jamestown, we'd be led by King Harry, and tea time would be at 4:00 (low tea, of course)...

David, say hello to Seven Mile beach for me. It's heaven...

[flap]

Handling of the crisis
Perhaps the heaviest point of controversy is the question of blame for the California electricity crisis. Governor Davis's critics often charge that he did not respond properly to the crisis, while his defenders attribute the crisis solely to the corporate accounting scandals and say that Davis did all he could. In a speech at UCLA on August 19, 2003, Davis apologized for being slow to act during the energy crisis, but then forcefully attacked the Houston-based energy energy suppliers: "I inherited the energy deregulation scheme which put us all at the mercy of the big energy producers. We got no help from the Federal government. In fact, when I was fighting Enron and the other energy companies, these same companies were sitting down with Vice President Cheney to draft a national energy strategy."

Signs of trouble first cropped up in the spring of 2000 when electricity bills skyrocketed for customers in San Diego, the first area of the state to deregulate. Experts warned of an impending energy crisis, but Governor Davis did little to respond until the crisis became statewide that summer. Davis would issue a state of emergency on January 17, 2001, when wholesale electricity prices hit new highs and the state began issuing rolling blackouts.

The crisis, and the subsequent government intervention, have had political ramifications, and is regarded as one of the major contributing factors to the 2003 recall election of Governor Davis.

On November 13, 2003, shortly before leaving office, Davis officially brought the energy crisis to an end by issuing a proclamation ending the state of emergency he declared on January 17, 2001. The state of emergency allowed the state to buy electricity for the financially strapped utility companies. The emergency authority allowed Davis to order the California Energy Commission to streamline the application process for new power plants. During that time, California issued licenses to 38 new power plants, amounting to 14,365 megawatts of electricity production when completed

[mhafinancial]

Flap, you live there (I guess), you are much closer to it than I.

One debate I will not get into is whether or not the folks who run Enron were scumbags who all deserve jail. Whether or not Gray was remiss in his duties as governor was rectified by the voters. They have gotten what they asked for. :D

[TIES2]

hmmm,how much Enron stock did you own, David?

[mhafinancial]

hmmm,how much Enron stock did you own, David?
Zero.

I lost my money in other stocks. ;)

Is your passive/aggressive question a form of condoning Enron management's behavior?

[TIES2]

Zero.

I lost my money in other stocks. ;)

Is your passive/aggressive question a form of condoning Enron management's behavior?


No, just irritating you! :D

[HeldUp]

No, just irritating you! :D
Ahh, c'mon - Sand in the vasoline? That's not like you at all...

[mhafinancial]

Ahh, c'mon - Sand in the vasoline? That's not like you at all...
He would prefer it if you would "send in the vaseline". :D

Why I'm not sure.

[HeldUp]

He would prefer it if you would "send in the vaseline". :D
Not that there's anything wrong with it???? :nc:

[TIES2]

They're back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rolling black outs in CA leave customers without electricity for an hour at a time.....