US Muslim Religious Council to Issue Fatwa Against Terror

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Tony Blair's move to proactively engage the British Muslim Community may have been the the most strategic move against the war on terror to date. Already it bears fruit. On the CAIR website today there is a press release stating that the US Muslim Council will Issue a Fatwa Against Terror.

Or perhaps the US Muslim Community is bowing to the pressure of the Intelligence Committee. Dianne Feinstein, appearing on Hardball the other night, quoted Friedman's NYT editorial "If it's a Muslim Problem, It Needs a Muslim Solution" (though she falsely attributed the article to Peter Bergan...). Anyway she mentioned the Intelligence Committee was looking into it (I know, I know...scary when the Intelligence Committee looks to newspaper editorials and articles for ideas on how to combat terror!).

Regardless of what's nipping at their heels, it's great to see the American Muslim community finally getting involved...though as I've said before, issuing a fatwa and then proactively engaging in its execution are entirely different matters (we wouldn't have a problem now, would we, if the terrorists simply issued fatwas then walked away. Unfortunately the terrorists have proven again and again that they are all too wiliing to live up to their words).

If the Muslim community spent as much energy looking into solving the terror problem as they do on their media witch hunt to expunge any and all references to Islam or Muslims that they find offensive, the terrorist problem may be solved by now...after all, what culd possibly be more offensive to Muslims and Islam than terrorists who commit acts of terrror in the name of Islam????

[mhafinancial]

You keep up your finger-pointing and the next fatwa may be aimed at you. :)

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[mhafinancial]

Aren't you on vacation, yet? If yes, why are you hanging around here? If no, have a great time, bon voyage and all that stuff!
We leave for Miami in the morning, and the cruise leaves Sunday. So you are stuck with me for the remainder of the evening.

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This might help.

http://talk.livedaily.com/showthread.php?p=8423639#post8423639

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This might help.

http://talk.livedaily.com/showthread.php?p=8423639#post8423639

okay, okay...I read it...and yawned a couple of times...

You often point to MPAC as being a leader in this area (as compared to CAIR). So let's take a look at MPAC. On a side bar under the heading Anti-terror Campaigns there's a teaser that reads: Find out what 600 communities are doing to protect their Mosques and their country...

So, I clicked on the link...

In the first paragraph...

"This guide is part of the MPAC’s broader counter-terrorism and civil rights campaign and is intended for Imams, Muslim community leaders, law enforcement, and the media."

1.) Alas, the package is not just for anyone (presumaby to prevent vigilantism????).
2). You have to order the package.
3.) Nothing on this page actually tells you what is being done in this area. No sidebars on how certain mosques or local law enforcement agencies have joined forces...no success stories of any kind...no pointers on the kind of things the lay person can be on the lookout for....generally, nothing at all...just more words.

Yet, under the Anti-Hate sidebar, I can download a form that I can fill out and fax/email back to the MPAC detailing a hate crime....it defines what hate is, it contains a list of things I can do to prevent hate, etc., etc.

So why is the anti-terror campaign page not set up the same way???? Why do I have to call to get a package? Why are there no details on how I as an individual can get involved?

The MPAC site purports to be for all Americans yet the hate crime examples given were all related to Muslims...what about hate speech against the homosexual community? Or against Christians? Jews? Or against Democrats, Liberals, Rebpublicans or Conservatives....

No, this site like many of the other Muslim sites I looked at are in defense mode only...having adopted a pure victim mentality...maybe it's time to stop the pity party. There's a lot that can be done, unfortunately whining does not head the list....

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The MPAC site purports to be for all Americans yet the hate crime examples given were all related to Muslims...what about hate speech against the homosexual community? Or against Christians? Jews? Or against Democrats, Liberals, Rebpublicans or Conservatives....

No, this site like many of the other Muslim sites I looked at are in defense mode only...having adopted a pure victim mentality...maybe it's time to stop the pity party. There's a lot that can be done, unfortunately whining does not head the list....
Hold on there, cowboy. First, I do believe the entire MPAC anti-terror campaign (http://www.mpac.org/atc/home.asp) is online. Second, MPAC hardly claims to represent all Muslims, let alone all Americans. The reason you don't see anti-hate speech campaigns against homosexuals or Christians or Jews or Democrats or Republicans on sites run by homosexuals or Christians or Jews or Democrats or Republicans is because it should be a given to report such acts.

However, those groups do go to great lengths to protect themselves. Are you saying that American Muslims shouldn't have a site of their own in which to turn, instead they should rely on evangelical Christians for protection? Personally, I would like to see less anti-Muslim venom from Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Franklin Graham, Ann Coulter, Daniel Pipes, etc.

I don't suppose you would feel victimized by that type of hate language (that we should feel recognized) or mosque burnings (that we deserve it) or FBI interrogations (hey, they're interviews) just because of our faith!

We might be one nation and in God we trust, but we all watch our own backs, too, because we just don't trust each other.

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Sorry, I didn't realize Mosque Guidlelines and Mosque Etiquette were part of the National Anti-Terror Campaign...my apologies for my oversight. I have now read them and still find it a little lightweight....with regard to accounting, make sure you can cover your butt...a universal business axiom...yawn...

From the MPAC page...

"If you'd like to report a hate crime, hate incident or discrimination, please call our 24-Hour Hotline at (800) 898-3558. MPAC provides services to all victims regardless of race, color, religion, national origin, gender, age, sexual orientation or disability."

How politcally correct... I have no problem with it being a Muslim website. That's fine with me. I don't expect a special interest website to reach out to others, I'm okay with that, too. Just don't say it's a service you offer. The CMA veil wears thin after awhile.

I also looked at some of the examples of the hate crimes cited. I agree 100% that such acts are vicious and misguided and no one should have to put up with or endure them, regardless of race, religion, blah, blah, blah.

But I think there's a thin line separating freedom of speech and hate speech. And I personally hope that this country never, ever moves toward adopting "Hate" legislation. But that's probably a topic for another thread.

As I stated in a previous post, as long as I do not threaten your life, then I am free to say what I want. I can call you all manner of names and be quite protected under the first amendment.

I guess my view is that the umbrella the Muslim Community uses to encompass "hate speech" includes many sentiments that I think are within the bounds of dissent protected under the first amendment. Just because I offend you (after all, some offend more easily than others or find more to be offended about) does not mean, under our constitution, that I need to issue a retraction and promise never to do or say something again.

And, oh, please do not call me Cowboy again. I find it offensive. :wink:

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I call everyone cowboy. Well, except for those I care about or work for...

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