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HeldUp
Aug 3rd, 2005, 11:54 AM
Note: this article was written by a close friend who has given me the permission to post. It was also published in the San Francisco Examine (URL below).

Muslim American 'Fatwa': What took so long? (http://www.sfexaminer.com/articles/2005/08/03//opinion//20050803_op03_view.txt)
By Omar Ricci
San Francisco Examiner, 8/3/05

Thursday, more than 145 Muslim American organizations did something their fellow Americans had been looking for since Sept. 11 — they issued a fatwa against extremism, terrorism and suicide bombing. The logical question that comes to mind is, "What took so long?" The answer is not simple. It deals with issues of breaking scholarly taboos, form over substance, understanding the American psyche and the national media.

To clarify, the term "fatwa" means a nonbinding Islamic religious opinion rooted in sources of Islamic law — the Quran and the authentic sayings and actions of the Prophet Muhammad (or "Sunnah").

The use of this term by al-Qaida and the like to psychologically conscript ill-guided followers has also led Americans to view a fatwa as a binding Islamic edict; much like the Vatican issues binding edicts to its followers. To lay Americans, the issuance of a fatwa, from any corner of the Muslim world, implied a force majeure in the lives of all ordinary Muslims and therefore a cause for concern.

But to Muslims in America and around the world, a fatwa is not viewed with any binding force and is in many respects similar to a legal opinion without being law. So when Osama bin Laden issued his fatwa in 2002 calling upon Muslim Americans to fight in the west, it was shrugged off because Muslims did not agree. Moreover, they viewed bin Laden as a criminal and not a religious scholar.

Since Sept. 11, Muslim American organizations have been tirelessly engaged in counter-terrorism and counter-ideology efforts, all of which are directly sourced in the Quran and Sunnah. But why have these organizations not labeled any anti-terrorism effort a fatwa? The answer stems primarily from a deeply rooted scholarly desire not to cheapen the meaning or spirit of the term, and not stoop to the level of al-Qaida in how they have demeaned the use of a fatwa. Besides, leaders of these organizations thought, the Quranic basis from which anti-terrorism efforts emanated clearly refutes the ideological beliefs of al-Qaida. Why is it, then, that America isn't getting the message? Why are Muslim American organizations having a monumental PR crisis at such a critical time?

The answer to this question lies both at the doorstep of Muslim American organizations as well as the national media. For Muslim American organizations, there was a gross failure to recognize the co-opting of the term fatwa by Muslim terrorist groups. There was also a failure to recognize the psychological impact the term fatwa had on fellow Americans. These failures cost Muslim Americans dearly. It allowed right-wing media pundits, with their politically motivated ignorance of Islam, to put form over substance and pin an entire community as not having done enough to condemn terrorism. Their current dominance of the national microphone influenced those who didn't hear any counterweight.

The national media, the modern day mountaintops from which to shout, are also culpable. Muslim Americans have been doing, and continue to do, their share to protect the nation. But it is frustrating that such efforts are analogous to a tree falling in the forest, either because of issues of style over substance, or the lack of reporting by national media.

Omar Ricci is vice chairman of the Muslim Public Affairs Council.

TIES2
Aug 3rd, 2005, 01:57 PM
Note: this article was written by a close friend who has given me the permission to post. It was also published in the San Francisco Examine (URL below).

Muslim American 'Fatwa': What took so long? (http://www.sfexaminer.com/articles/2005/08/03//opinion//20050803_op03_view.txt)
By Omar Ricci
San Francisco Examiner, 8/3/05

Thursday, more than 145 Muslim American organizations did something their fellow Americans had been looking for since Sept. 11 — they issued a fatwa against extremism, terrorism and suicide bombing. The logical question that comes to mind is, "What took so long?" The answer is not simple. It deals with issues of breaking scholarly taboos, form over substance, understanding the American psyche and the national media.

To clarify, the term "fatwa" means a nonbinding Islamic religious opinion rooted in sources of Islamic law — the Quran and the authentic sayings and actions of the Prophet Muhammad (or "Sunnah").

The use of this term by al-Qaida and the like to psychologically conscript ill-guided followers has also led Americans to view a fatwa as a binding Islamic edict; much like the Vatican issues binding edicts to its followers. To lay Americans, the issuance of a fatwa, from any corner of the Muslim world, implied a force majeure in the lives of all ordinary Muslims and therefore a cause for concern.

But to Muslims in America and around the world, a fatwa is not viewed with any binding force and is in many respects similar to a legal opinion without being law. So when Osama bin Laden issued his fatwa in 2002 calling upon Muslim Americans to fight in the west, it was shrugged off because Muslims did not agree. Moreover, they viewed bin Laden as a criminal and not a religious scholar.

Since Sept. 11, Muslim American organizations have been tirelessly engaged in counter-terrorism and counter-ideology efforts, all of which are directly sourced in the Quran and Sunnah. But why have these organizations not labeled any anti-terrorism effort a fatwa? The answer stems primarily from a deeply rooted scholarly desire not to cheapen the meaning or spirit of the term, and not stoop to the level of al-Qaida in how they have demeaned the use of a fatwa. Besides, leaders of these organizations thought, the Quranic basis from which anti-terrorism efforts emanated clearly refutes the ideological beliefs of al-Qaida. Why is it, then, that America isn't getting the message? Why are Muslim American organizations having a monumental PR crisis at such a critical time?

The answer to this question lies both at the doorstep of Muslim American organizations as well as the national media. For Muslim American organizations, there was a gross failure to recognize the co-opting of the term fatwa by Muslim terrorist groups. There was also a failure to recognize the psychological impact the term fatwa had on fellow Americans. These failures cost Muslim Americans dearly. It allowed right-wing media pundits, with their politically motivated ignorance of Islam, to put form over substance and pin an entire community as not having done enough to condemn terrorism. Their current dominance of the national microphone influenced those who didn't hear any counterweight.

The national media, the modern day mountaintops from which to shout, are also culpable. Muslim Americans have been doing, and continue to do, their share to protect the nation. But it is frustrating that such efforts are analogous to a tree falling in the forest, either because of issues of style over substance, or the lack of reporting by national media.

Omar Ricci is vice chairman of the Muslim Public Affairs Council.

okay, okay -- I read it again....

so, what he's saying is that Fatwas don't mean anything anyway? Now that's action! So why the choice of the Fatwa rather than a meeting?

I particularly like the "style over substance..." because it sums up the response quite nicely.

Flory Days
Aug 3rd, 2005, 02:02 PM
okay, okay -- I read it again....

so, what he's saying is that Fatwas don't mean anything anyway? Now that's action! So why the choice of the Fatwa rather than a meeting?

I particularly like the "style over substance..." because it sums up the response quite nicely.
Then you should be quite used to it, as "style over substance" sums up the American politcal system quite nicely.

HeldUp
Aug 3rd, 2005, 02:26 PM
What??? The media only reports sensationalized news and not real substance??? Quick! Somebody get FoxNews on the line!

Speaking of real news, I haven't seen Twiggy the water-skiing squirrel this summer. I think we're due for an appearance...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/kids/2004/06/images/twiggy-big.jpg

TIES2
Aug 3rd, 2005, 06:05 PM
Then you should be quite used to it, as "style over substance" sums up the American politcal system quite nicely.

he's back, folks! :laugh:

Actually, I had a call from the RNC the other day looking for more money....I said I would donate only if they would gurantee a return on my investment....

but don't go thinking I'm slipping ths conservative skin...I'm not...

TIES2
Aug 3rd, 2005, 06:12 PM
What??? The media only reports sensationalized news and not real substance??? Quick! Somebody get FoxNews on the line!

Speaking of real news, I haven't seen Twiggy the water-skiing squirrel this summer. I think we're due for an appearance...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/kids/2004/06/images/twiggy-big.jpg

I love that Squirrel :D Sorry, my mistake, again, I thought the "form over substance" comment was a summary of the Muslim Communities dealing with the issues...

Actually, I just read the article again. Very well written but where our the hard facts...it's just more of the same...opinion, opinion, opinion....

Can't anyone cite some verifiable sources or references???????

HeldUp
Aug 3rd, 2005, 06:21 PM
Can't anyone cite some verifiable sources or references???????
Why does it matter? You would just pooh-pooh it like you do everything else.

Here's an idea: why don't YOU do the research? Now THAT would be outreach... :laugh:

And, it's STYLE over substance, not FORM...

TIES2
Aug 3rd, 2005, 09:23 PM
Why does it matter? You would just pooh-pooh it like you do everything else.

Here's an idea: why don't YOU do the research? Now THAT would be outreach... :laugh:

And, it's STYLE over substance, not FORM...


I object....I do not pooh-pooh everything else! Actually, I am trying to do the research and I can't find anything...but that's probably because it's ignored by the Western Media...it's why I rely on sites like MPAC, CAIR and the rest, but I'm not finding anything there either....save countless documents of this speech or that speech or this paper and that paper...but not what I'm looking for...soft news abounds, it's the hard news I'm looking for...

Style, form, whatever....when the day is done it's substance that counts...and that's what I see missing.... :scratch:

Help me out here... :)

TIES2
Aug 3rd, 2005, 09:45 PM
Just read about your son's accident. I am sorry to hear that...we've had a broken bone and as a parent I know I'm never fully at ease when my child is out and about until she walks back through the door......I'm glad to hear he will be okay and sorry your hospital experience was so frustrating.

Funny, I'm actually feeling guilty about the hard time I've been giving you (had I known you were going through this difficult personal time, I would have called a cease fire, you have enough on your mind without me trying to irk you)....I know we represent a diverging set of viewpoints, to say the least, but that does not mean I wish you harm or harbor ill feelings towards you or your family...

HeldUp
Aug 3rd, 2005, 09:55 PM
The truth is, in today's society, perception is 9/10th reality. That "truth" is generally media-related, fed to us daily through newsprint, the airways and cyberspace. That said, getting anything of substance on the news without spin (i.e. that isn't sensational) isn't considered newsworthy. Therefore, perception is sensationalism, not substance. I mean, who gives a rat's ass about Nick and Jessica?

"If it bleeds, it leads..."

HeldUp
Aug 3rd, 2005, 09:56 PM
Thanks for the kind words. No cease fire necessary (heck, I wasn't even shooting). Thank God, we're just having a mostly civil discussion.

Wait a minute: you're trying to irk me???? Where in the hell is David?! :laugh:

TIES2
Aug 3rd, 2005, 11:56 PM
He's on vacation, and Flory wasn't around either...