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mhafinancial
Sep 9th, 2005, 12:19 PM
Makes me thrilled that his nominee as replacement was a protege:

My mother always told me that when a person dies, one should not say anything bad about him. My mother was wrong. History requires truth, not puffery or silence, especially about powerful governmental figures. And obituaries are a first draft of history. So here's the truth about Chief Justice Rehnquist you won't hear on Fox News or from politicians. Chief Justice William Rehnquist set back liberty, equality, and human rights perhaps more than any American judge of this generation. His rise to power
speaks volumes about the current state of American values.

Let's begin at the beginning. Rehnquist bragged about being first in his class at Stanford Law School. Today Stanford is a great law school with a diverse student body, but in the late 1940s and early 1950s, it discriminated against Jews and other minorities, both in the admission of students and in the selection of faculty. Justice Stephen Breyer recalled an earlier period of Stanford's history: "When my father was at Stanford, he could not join any of the social organizations because he was Jewish, and those organizations, at that time, did not accept Jews." Rehnquist not only benefited in his class ranking from this discrimination; he was also part of that bigotry. When he was nominated to be an associate justice in 1971, I learned from several sources who had known him as a student that he had
outraged Jewish classmates by goose-stepping and heil-Hitlering with brown-shirted friends in front of a dormitory that housed the school's few Jewish students. He also was infamous for telling racist and anti-Semitic jokes.

As a law clerk, Rehnquist wrote a memorandum for Justice Jackson while the court was considering several school desegregation cases, including Brown v. Board of Education. Rehnquist's memo, entitled "A Random Thought on the
Segregation Cases," defended the separate-but-equal doctrine embodied in the 1896 Supreme Court case of Plessy v. Ferguson. Rehnquist concluded the Plessy "was right and should be reaffirmed." When questioned about the memos by the Senate Judiciary Committee in both 1971 and 1986, Rehnquist blamed his defense of segregation on the dead Justice, stating - under oath - that his memo was meant to reflect the views of Justice Jackson. But Justice Jackson voted in Brown, along with a unanimous Court, to strike down school segregation. According to historian Mark Tushnet, Justice Jackson's longtime
legal secretary called Rehnquist's Senate testimony an attempt to "smear[] the reputation of a great justice." Rehnquist later admitted to defending Plessy in arguments with fellow law clerks. He did not acknowledge that he committed perjury in front of the Judiciary Committee to get his job.

The young Rehnquist began his legal career as a Republican functionary by obstructing African-American and Hispanic voting at Phoenix polling locations ("Operation Eagle Eye"). As Richard Cohen of The Washington Post wrote, "[H]e helped challenge the voting qualifications of Arizona blacks and Hispanics. He was entitled to do so. But even if he did not personally harass potential voters, as witnesses allege, he clearly was a brass-knuckle partisan, someone who would deny the ballot to fellow citizens for trivial political reasons -- and who made his selection on the basis of race or ethnicity." In a word, he started out his political career as a Republican thug.

Rehnquist later bought a home in Vermont with a restrictive covenant that barred sale of the property to ''any member of the Hebrew race."

Rehnquist's judicial philosophy was result-oriented, activist, and
authoritarian. He sometimes moderated his views for prudential or pragmatic reasons, but his vote could almost always be predicted based on who the parties were, not what the legal issues happened to be. He generally opposed the rights of gays, women, blacks, aliens, and religious minorities. He was
a friend of corporations, polluters, right wing Republicans, religious fundamentalists, homophobes, and other bigots.

Rehnquist served on the Supreme Court for thirty-three years and as chief justice for nineteen. Yet no opinion comes to mind which will be remembered as brilliant, innovative, or memorable. He will be remembered not for the quality of his opinions but rather for the outcomes decided by his votes, especially Bush v. Gore, in which he accepted an Equal Protection claim that
was totally inconsistent with his prior views on that clause. He will also be remembered as a Chief Justice who fought for the independence and authority of the judiciary. This is his only positive contribution to an otherwise regressive career.

Within moments of Rehnquist's death, Fox News called and asked for my comments, presumably aware that I was a longtime critic of the late Chief Justice. After making several of these points to Alan Colmes (who was supposed to be interviewing me), Sean Hannity intruded, and when he didn't
like my answers, he cut me off and terminated the interview. Only after I was off the air and could not respond did the attack against me begin, which is typical of Hannity's bullying ambush style. He is afraid to attack when there's someone there to respond. Since the interview, I've received dozens of e-mail hate messages, some of which are overtly anti-Semitic. One writer called me "a jew prick that takes it in the a** from ruth ginzburg [sic]." Another said I am "an ignorant socialist left-wing political hack .... You're like a little Heinrich Himmler! (even the resemblance is uncanny!)." Yet another informed me that I "personally make us all lament the defeat of the Nazis!" A more restrained viewer found me to be "a disgrace to the Law,
to Harvard, and to humanity."

All this, for refusing to put a deceptive gloss on a man who made his career undermining the rights and liberties of American citizens.

My mother would want me to remain silent, but I think my father would have wanted me to tell the truth. My father was right.

Alan Dershowitz is a professor of law at Harvard. His latest book is The Case for Peace: How the Arab-Israeli Conflict Can Be Resolved (Wiley, 2005).

orthy
Sep 16th, 2005, 11:03 PM
Didn't he preside over Clinton's impeachment trial and didn't he vote to stop presidential ballot recounts in Florida..?? Lol, I take pleasure in your bitterness DF...All the way through January 2009. And four years+ beyond that, by the way...

BruceNut
Sep 17th, 2005, 07:17 AM
You know David/mha,
1:if you would write your own rants instead of c/p other peoples thoughts I would take you more seriously.
2: if you had wrote some of the good that the man had done, "in his obit", in his life, I would take you more seriously and maybe give a rats ass what you write in the rant section.

Clearly we must agree that the man had to do many good things while on this Earth. So what do you choose to do? You choose to c/p anothers persons narrow slanted view that attacks a dead man. A husband and Father. A man who for good and bad, served his country. When you can say you gave up (I dont know the number so I`ll aim low) 20 years of your life to serve your country thats when you`ll have the right to slam the dead man. Your not half the man The Judge was !
Like him or not.He walked the walk and is dead.
RIP your honor
your struggle here on Earth is over

flap
Sep 17th, 2005, 07:51 AM
David, you should have listen to your mother. It's just another expression of your hatred for anyone that might appear to be against your political beliefs.

BruceNut
Sep 17th, 2005, 08:35 AM
David, you should have listen to your mother. It's just another expression of your hatred for anyone that might appear to be against your political beliefs.

I`ve often joked with mha in person that if I hadnt met him irl, I would`ve bet 100/1 odds that he was a . :D
I can assure you hes a very nice guy who is just misguided in his political beliefs. He clearly takes things to seriously.
His boys are respectful and well behaved. I can only hope they grow up Republicans :)
I also dont think that David would say anything bad about a person if he had to speak at their funeral.

flap
Sep 17th, 2005, 09:33 AM
"I can assure you hes a very nice guy who is just misguided in his political beliefs. He clearly takes things to seriously."

Mick, I agree. It's not that I dislike David at all. Heck I've never even met when so I can't form that emotion just based on his rants. I can however disagree with his political views. One of the hardest things for anyone on this board to do is agree to disagree. thats why it's been labeled "fight daily" and at times rightly justified.

orthy
Sep 17th, 2005, 09:54 AM
Absolutely, I've met him and he's a class act (outside of the political arena that is, lol)..

mhafinancial
Sep 17th, 2005, 10:35 AM
This will be fun....

David, you should have listen to your mother. It's just another expression of your hatred for anyone that might appear to be against your political beliefs.
It's true. I despise racists and anti-Semitic pricks like Rehnquist, so I guess my mom taught me right. If you think that it is OK for the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court to have shown his true colors as a racist and anti-Semite, then maybe it is your mom that needs or needed a good talking to when raising you.

Didn't he preside over Clinton's impeachment trial and didn't he vote to stop presidential ballot recounts in Florida..?? Lol, I take pleasure in your bitterness DF...All the way through January 2009. And four years+ beyond that, by the way...
Yes, he sure did. The 55/45 vote on perjury, and 50/50 on obstruction. All for a BJ. What a colossal waste of time and money.

After years of preaching "State's rights", he repudiated years of his own judicial rulings to play partisan kingmaker. And the Republicans scream about "activist judges". What a hoot.

1:if you would write your own rants instead of c/p other peoples thoughts I would take you more seriously.
Here is a tally of my posts in the last 20 or so threads from the "Rant" section:

Hell Froze Over: 1 post, no c/p
Bush To Condi: 1 post, photo included, no other c/p
Why Are You Libs So Quiet - 1 post, all rant, no c/p
Bush Takes Responsibility - 2 posts, no editorial c/p
George W. Bush 38% - 4 posts, 1 was a copy of an article, other 3 were responses to Ties so there was c/p
The Song Remains th Same - 5 posts; the initial one had maps, the others were response to bobby18; no editorial c/p at all
Disasters of the Bush Admin - 1 post of Jon Stewart photo, no editorial c/p
Robert Byrd - 1 post; c/p in response to flap's c/p
Ping;Orthy - 1 post no editorial c/p
Funny Bill Maher Clip - 1 post with link to a video; no editorial c/p
LOD 6 - 1 post to refer thread starter to the main page
Katrina: So here's what I understand... - 1 post all me
Bush Katrina Pics - 1 post all photos no commentary
Stalin Alive And Well And Living In DC - 8 posts, two with either c/p or links to editorial comments
Bush put his lying face on TV - 10 posts, all me, no editorial c/p
How Stupid Can You Be! - 1 post, all me
I Can't Resist - 9 posts including a c/p of an Abbott and Costello-esque take on Chertoff and Brown that was a c/p; a c/p of the beginning of an article quoted by Ties that she conveniently left out; a copy of a FEMA memo that told workers to tell nice stories. No c/p of other people's thoughts, as the remaining rants are my own.
Shades of McGreevey - 3 posts, first to post an article with Brown's "qualifications" or lack thereof, the other 2 all me

So what we have here, Mickey, out of the last 18 threads in the "Rant" section, not including this one, are 51 posts, 4 of which were editorial comments of others, a few were editorial cartoons. Go back and read the authentic mha rants and maybe you will learn something.

2: if you had wrote some of the good that the man had done, "in his obit", in his life, I would take you more seriously and maybe give a rats ass what you write in the rant section.
First, I didn;t write it, it was indeed one of my few direct editorial c/p numbers. And as far as saying something nice about Rehnquist, go watch FOX news, as I am sure they had plenty of nice things to say. But the fact remains that he was a relatively undistinguished Chief Justice whose crowning glory was turning his back on his prior philosophy to coronate Bush. That's cool, what's done is done. But as I said at the beginning of this thread, he was a racist and anti-Semite and that is enough for me.

And BTW - Dershowitz references "Operation Eagle Eye". Bill Rehnquist sat in a polling place in a predominately black with some Hispanic precinct in south Phoenix in 1964, and basically questioned voters with "where are you from", "how long have you lived here" and on and on. If they spoke broken English he would recite a passage from the Constitution and ask for their interpretation of it. The line to vote grew to be 4 abreast and over a block long. People were tired and going home. Unfortunately this was all legal at the time, and was fixed two years later. But, IMHO, disgraceful nevertheless. Far beneath where a man who would become Chief Justice should have come from.

This nation was founded by those seeking freedom from religious repression and persecution. The Republican party has become a shill for the religious extremists in this country. The Republican party ceased long ago to be the party of fiscal conservatism, a strong defense, and state's rights.

Lol, I take pleasure in your bitterness DF...All the way through January 2009. And four years+ beyond that, by the way...
The scandals in Kentucky and Ohio right now, which are rife with Republican corruption, will do as much to help the Dems in 2006 and 2008 as the gang that couldn't shoot straight in the White House. I guess time will tell, orth, but you might not want to chill the champagne yet.

orthy
Sep 17th, 2005, 06:04 PM
I guess time will tell, orth, but you might not want to chill the champagne yet.

Champagne's always chillin bra.

mhafinancial
Sep 17th, 2005, 08:46 PM
Champagne's always chillin bra.
OK...we just need to find a mutually agreeable reason to open it.

murphy
Sep 18th, 2005, 07:23 PM
and shared agave he is a great guy................I have a hard time connecting that gut to his posts which are clearly "out there" but i attribute it to his keyboard being possessed by demons and he REALLY does have an open mind LOL;)

orthy
Sep 18th, 2005, 08:22 PM
and shared agave he is a great guy................I have a hard time connecting that gut to his posts which are clearly "out there" but i attribute it to his keyboard being possessed by demons and he REALLY does have an open mind LOL;)

LOD 6....?

TIES2
Sep 18th, 2005, 09:02 PM
This will be fun....


It's true. I despise racists and anti-Semitic pricks like Rehnquist, so I guess my mom taught me right. If you think that it is OK for the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court to have shown his true colors as a racist and anti-Semite, then maybe it is your mom that needs or needed a good talking to when raising you.


Yes, he sure did. The 55/45 vote on perjury, and 50/50 on obstruction. All for a BJ. What a colossal waste of time and money.

After years of preaching "State's rights", he repudiated years of his own judicial rulings to play partisan kingmaker. And the Republicans scream about "activist judges". What a hoot.

Here is a tally of my posts in the last 20 or so threads from the "Rant" section:

Hell Froze Over: 1 post, no c/p
Bush To Condi: 1 post, photo included, no other c/p
Why Are You Libs So Quiet - 1 post, all rant, no c/p

Bush Takes Responsibility - 2 posts, no editorial c/p
George W. Bush 38% - 4 posts, 1 was a copy of an article, other 3 were responses to Ties so there was c/p
The Song Remains th Same - 5 posts; the initial one had maps, the others were response to bobby18; no editorial c/p at all
Disasters of the Bush Admin - 1 post of Jon Stewart photo, no editorial c/p
Robert Byrd - 1 post; c/p in response to flap's c/p
Ping;Orthy - 1 post no editorial c/p
Funny Bill Maher Clip - 1 post with link to a video; no editorial c/p
LOD 6 - 1 post to refer thread starter to the main page
Katrina: So here's what I understand... - 1 post all me
Bush Katrina Pics - 1 post all photos no commentary
Stalin Alive And Well And Living In DC - 8 posts, two with either c/p or links to editorial comments
Bush put his lying face on TV - 10 posts, all me, no editorial c/p
How Stupid Can You Be! - 1 post, all me
I Can't Resist - 9 posts including a c/p of an Abbott and Costello-esque take on Chertoff and Brown that was a c/p;

a c/p of the beginning of an article quoted by Ties that she conveniently left out;

a copy of a FEMA memo that told workers to tell nice stories. No c/p of other people's thoughts, as the remaining rants are my own.
Shades of McGreevey - 3 posts, first to post an article with Brown's "qualifications" or lack thereof, the other 2 all me

So what we have here, Mickey, out of the last 18 threads in the "Rant" section, not including this one, are 51 posts, 4 of which were editorial comments of others, a few were editorial cartoons. Go back and read the authentic mha rants and maybe you will learn something.


First, I didn;t write it, it was indeed one of my few direct editorial c/p numbers. And as far as saying something nice about Rehnquist, go watch FOX news, as I am sure they had plenty of nice things to say. But the fact remains that he was a relatively undistinguished Chief Justice whose crowning glory was turning his back on his prior philosophy to coronate Bush. That's cool, what's done is done. But as I said at the beginning of this thread, he was a racist and anti-Semite and that is enough for me.

And BTW - Dershowitz references "Operation Eagle Eye". Bill Rehnquist sat in a polling place in a predominately black with some Hispanic precinct in south Phoenix in 1964, and basically questioned voters with "where are you from", "how long have you lived here" and on and on. If they spoke broken English he would recite a passage from the Constitution and ask for their interpretation of it. The line to vote grew to be 4 abreast and over a block long. People were tired and going home. Unfortunately this was all legal at the time, and was fixed two years later. But, IMHO, disgraceful nevertheless. Far beneath where a man who would become Chief Justice should have come from.

This nation was founded by those seeking freedom from religious repression and persecution. The Republican party has become a shill for the religious extremists in this country. The Republican party ceased long ago to be the party of fiscal conservatism, a strong defense, and state's rights.


The scandals in Kentucky and Ohio right now, which are rife with Republican corruption, will do as much to help the Dems in 2006 and 2008 as the gang that couldn't shoot straight in the White House. I guess time will tell, orth, but you might not want to chill the champagne yet.



David, for someone who has so much work to do, it's amazing you can find time (or desire!!!!) to go back through your posts and analyze them for content!

In general, I have to agree with Orthy...it does seem like most of your posts are just clips or links and the ones that are your own are just out and out insults with little more thought than one would expect to find on a kindergarten playground . It may not be true, it's just the impression one is often left with!

And as for your tolerance, well, let's just say it depends on the topic...you can be as hate-filled as the best of them. It's a lib trait that I find especially curious...professing all that love and tolerance unless of course we are talking about racist, anti-semitic pricks or Bobby18 or Orthy or scores of others who post here :rolleyes:

I just don't get it!

Flory Days
Sep 19th, 2005, 02:26 PM
As many have stated my man David is a stand-up guy and one fun dude, however there is nothing wrong with his politics. But what did you expect from me? The one thing I can admit he is often guilty of (as in this case) is a blunt and direct approach in his expression of opinions, which sometimes can be upsetting to others.

I thought it was libs who were supposed to be touchy-feely?

Cut & Paste? It would be one thing if that was all David did but he puts so much of himself into this board........that is not a fair criticism. Most of the time his c/p is to support his position.....if he didn't do it someone would ask for proof anyhow. If you don't want to read c/p just skip over it.

Yes, sometimes what he has to say may not seem nice, but unfortunately it is the truth. Nothing wrong with that!