Aaron Carter -- Singer, Defendant

[*Little*]

Aaron Carter -- Singer, Defendant

Record company says Carter had no right to end contract
By TMZ.COM STAFF


(Mar. 21 7:45PM ET) -- A record company has taken Aaron Carter to court, claiming the singer had no right to disavow a recording contract on grounds he signed it when he was a minor.

TMZ obtained the legal papers (http://cdn.digitalcity.com/tmz_documents/aaraon_carter_lawsuit.pdf), filed Tuesday in Los Angeles Superior Court. Trans Continental Records claims Carter signed the recording contract in December 2004, when he was 17-years-old. Carter turned 18 last December.

According to the papers, earlier this month Carter's lawyers notified Trans Continental that Carter "hereby disaffirms, cancels, and voids any and all such agreements that may have been signed... at the time he was a minor."

THE REST: http://tmz.aol.com/article2?id=20060321192909990001

[Aaronsbamaangel7]

Ok well first of all thank the lord he isnt on that label anymore. And the ONLY reason they are trying to su him is to get money because they have just enough money to pay the bills there. Which is why we never saw a cd besides a single coming from that label.

lets just hope trans continental loses.

[suzanne]

It took him long enough I would have done this on his 18th birthday.

I don't how Trans Con could have any kind of a case.

He is still on that label until the case goes to court and Trans Con looses the case.

They could make money off of Aaron either way because Saturday Night he did when he worked for them and any other songs that he did that haven't been released yet can be released by Trans Con and they can make money off of those songs and Aaron will not have any control over that.

[QueenGemini87]

he worked with jive and they pretty much screwed him over...as for trans con, i thought to this day hes still with them...trans con has more disdvantages than i can think of..as always, i think he needs to manage himself considering the fact that hes been doing & pushing more than both jive & transcon combined

[Trippiehippie86]

If he wanted to voluntarily terminate himself from his record deal, then he should have the right to. They didn't do anything to furthur his career anyway. Trans Con is just pissed that they won't have the opportunity to cha-ching off of Aaron anymore. Greedy bastards.

[Dolphinboy]

The most ideal thing to do would be starting his own label. That way he could have 100% control of his own career at all times. I know the words "Aaron" and "control" rarely get mentioned in the same sentence (couldn't help myself lol) but I believe he really could do it if he would.

[Trippiehippie86]

The most ideal thing to do would be starting his own label. That way he could have 100% control of his own career at all times. I know the words "Aaron" and "control" rarely get mentioned in the same sentence (couldn't help myself lol) but I believe he really could do it if he would.

OMG, Yeah! Like the Hanson brothers did!! :redcool:
3CG, is their label (that's "3 Car Garage"), and they released their bestest album to date, "Underneath" with that label. I think if Aaron got a grip on his personal life, he could definitely do big things with his career like that.

[freedomchild]

Ok well first of all thank the lord he isnt on that label anymore. And the ONLY reason they are trying to su him is to get money because they have just enough money to pay the bills there. Which is why we never saw a cd besides a single coming from that label.

lets just hope trans continental loses.

I agree

[jessixo6]

jesus. hes better off without them and lou can kiss my ....

[CamoBratDragon]

if he was a minor when he signed the contract, doesn't it become null and void when he legally becomes an adult? i mean, like he'd have to re-sign the contract when he turned 18?

i could kinda understand if transcon was trying to say he broke it right before he turned 18(which apparently they aren't), but if he was no longer a minor and the contract was signed when he was under 18 and would have needed a legal guardian or parent to co-sign i can't see it being a valid contract when he became an adult.

lol i've never been to law school or anything(i'm only 17!), but i can't see them getting anywhere with this lawsuit.

btw- FINALLY! i was hoping he'd leave Transcon!

[suzannema2005]

i didnt know he left Tran Con!!...was he dropped or did they drop him????

[sa130997]

Found another article on it.


Aaron Carter Coming of Age in Court

by Natalie Finn
Mar 21, 2006, 7:40 PM PT



At 17, it was "Aaron's Party." At 18, it's Aaron's lawsuit.

A Florida record company is suing Aaron Carter for allegedly reneging on a recording deal on the grounds that he was underage when he signed the contract.


According to the lawsuit filed Tuesday in Los Angeles Superior Court, Carter entered into a contract with Trans Continental Records on Dec. 7, 2004, the singer's 17th birthday. A year later, when the kid-friendly crooner turned 18, Carter's attorney sent a letter to the company stating that his client had every right to "cancel or void various agreements" that were signed when he was a minor.

Trans Continental's suit states that a judge was present to approve the 2004 signing expressly to prevent this type of disagreement over the contract's legality. The record company, saying it has invested time and money aplenty on Carter's career, wants the court to find "the recording agreement to be valid and binding."

Carter's father was representing him when he inked the Trans Continental deal, according to court documents. The Carter camp has yet to make a statement regarding the lawsuit.

In 2002 the singer's parents (who have since divorced) sued Carter's former manager Lou Pearlman, founder of Trans Continental, for failure to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in royalties from their son's 1998 self-titled debut album. Pearlman, the man who brought us the Backstreet Boys, was held in contempt of court in 2003 for failing to produce documents related to the case, but Pearlman eventually went on to be named executive producer of Carter's 2005 single "Saturday Night."

Carter's recording career has frequently been overshadowed by his off-stage woes. In December 2003, 16-year-old Aaron publicly fired his manager-mother, Jane, and filed for legal emancipation, alleging she stole more than $100,000 from him. The two made up a month later, but Carter moved in with his father after his parent's split.

As the younger Carter brother (big brother is Backstreeter Nick Carter) came of age, he became more known for his romantic status than for his teenybopper tunes. Specifically, Carter reportedly made up the third side of a love triangle with Lindsay Lohan and Hilary Duff, which supposedly caused a much-publicized feud between the teen queens.

Following in the footsteps of singers such as Duff who are releasing "greatest hits" albums before the age of 20, Come Get It: The Very Best of Aaron Carter hit stores in January.

http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,18620,00.html?fdnews

[Angelofmusic35]

Let us not forget that this was already addressed by someone who actually KNOWS what they're talking about. Having an opinion of Lou, is mostly unfair, as I'm sure that the majority of ya'll have never even met the man.

" quoted reply:
UDontNeed2Know
Registered User


Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 123
First off, I bet none of you know Lou Pearlman personally so none of you can comment on what type of person he is or his character. Yes, you can give an opinion on what you THINK you know but I can promise you your opinion isn't the truth. Aaron is signed with TransCon for 7 years, that doesn't change when you hit 18. Contracts don't just go away when you hit a certain age.

Now think about this...someone gives you millions of dollars, they fund you through several countries, and they actually give you a shot when no one else will. After YEARS of this and millions of dollars gone you actually make it and have millions of your own. Is that something to really complain about? And if you were that person giving the money wouldnt you want what you originally put into it back? Yes this is a business and it isn't always pretty but they didnt have to take the money in the first place. Wonder where the BSB would be right now if Lou didnt help them in the first place? --end quote"

Almost everyone's opinion of Lou is that he's some terrible person because he's been sued. Well, reality check, not everything is what it seems...

[Dreamer317x]

wow. hes lost trans con. & jive.
the poor kid has nothing noww.
cept this reality show which is happening soon.

[ladyluna]

wow. hes lost trans con. & jive.
the poor kid has nothing noww.
cept this reality show which is happening soon.


Like he really lost that much by getting rid of both Jive and Transcon....:rolleyes: And oh, poor Aaron, his life will end now because of that. Please, don't be that overdramatic. He would have nothing if he lost a loved one or something serious happened to him, not because he is not signed to this or that label. :crazy:

[Ocean_Serenity]

umm where or where is Aaron's career going? Oh where or where can it be... Sorry I mean that in all respect but what is his career going to do with out a label... I mean as it was discussed Aaron doesn't have much to fall back on.

[ladyluna]

umm where or where is Aaron's career going? Oh where or where can it be... Sorry I mean that in all respect but what is his career going to do with out a label... I mean as it was discussed Aaron doesn't have much to fall back on.


I tend to believe that if he is not with Jive or Transcon he'll get signed with another label. I mean, did you actually believe his career was going somewhere with Lou? Come on now, he was with him for about a couple of years this last time around and what did we get? A single which is pretty much nothing. He needs a real label and real management not the bullsh*t Lou provided him with.

[Aaronsbamaangel7]

Trans Continental had NO money to put out a cd, they just had enough money to pay the bills. After all of his work on a cd , and you dont get one. Id leave to.Trans Continental is a bunch of crap. And all Jive is signing now is rap artists. Maybe Nick should put him on Kaotic.

[Ocean_Serenity]

yeha I think Nick should help his lil bro out

[freedomchild]

jesus. hes better off without them and lou can kiss my ....
I really agree.lol

[Trippiehippie86]

Sounds more like Aaron abandoned his contract agreements by choice, so I don't think anyone "dropped" him from his label. Whoever said he was with Trans Con for 7 years....he was with Jive until he resigned with TC in '04. Props to Lou for attempting to restart Aaron's career by promoting Saturday Night....for about 10 minutes. TC dropped Aaron like a bad habit, once again, and they're a failing company, and they're pissed that Aaron won't be raking in cash for them when his contract is null and void. The label or Lou for that matter really did nothing to speak of for his career. They couldn't even make a video that was feasible enough to be spun on MTV...I mean c'mon. Aaron can do better, and I'm hoping he has a plan.

[*Little*]

I think she ment that when Aaron re-signed with TransCon in 2004 it was for seven years, meaning that he can't get out of it until 2011. NOT that he's been with them for the last 7 years.

TC didn't drop Aaron. TransCon is suing Aaron for claiming that his contract became void after he turned 18.

From what I've understood you don't get signed for a number of CD's when your underage, but rather for a certain number of years. In Aaron's case the new contract with TC was for seven years, from 2004 to 2011. If TC wins they can stop Aaron from recording any music until his contract is up in 2011.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[suzanne]

No artist should ever manage themselves especially a artist who is trying to rebuild his career.

As I said before they do have the opportunity to cha-ching off of Aaron.

I think at his age him running his own label would be even more of a mistaken then if he were to manage himself.

Angelofmusic35 you are wrong contracts do become null and void when you turn 18.

You act like Lou wasn't making any money, I hate to tell you this but contracts are written to favor the employer not the employee. So any money Lou has put into Aaron he has made back.

It shouldn't be hard for Aaron to find a new record label to sign him especialy if this reality show gets on air because with that the label won't have to risk alot of money by promoting Aaron because the reality show will do that for him.

The last thing Aaron needs is to be employed by his brother, he needs to show he is his own man and to do that he needs to be on a label that isn't connected to BSB or Nick.

Trans Con won't win anything in this case all that will happen is either it is thrown out of court or Aaron is going to have pay Lou money and that will be the end of Aaron and Trans Con.

[Backstreet Hart]

I didnt see this specific article posted anywhere but I know there were ones relating to the topic
Credit to Yahoo! E News

At 17, it was "Aaron's Party." At 18, it's Aaron's lawsuit.

A Florida record company is suing Aaron Carter for allegedly reneging on a recording deal on the grounds that he was underage when he signed the contract.

According to the lawsuit filed Tuesday in Los Angeles Superior Court, Carter entered into a contract with Trans Continental Records on Dec. 7, 2004, the singer's 17th birthday. A year later, when the kid-friendly crooner turned 18, Carter's attorney sent a letter to the company stating that his client had every right to "cancel or void various agreements" that were signed when he was a minor.
See the rest here http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/31006293

[Bounce_Tigger]

He's coming out with ANOTHER greatest hits? Oh....no.

[ladyluna]

He's coming out with ANOTHER greatest hits? Oh....no.


It already came out in January and it was released by Jive. Don't ask, don't know why...:laugh:

[*Little*]

I'm all for Nick helping out Aaron, but signing him to Kaotic would be a big mistake in my opinion. We already know what happened the last time a Carter tried to run another Carter's career.

[alexiz_858]

i dont get aaron

[ladyluna]

Aaron needs Nick's love and moral support, not professional help. Keep business separate from family, please.

[OcBaybee]

i agree aaron shouldnt be put on nicks label. k thanks

[freedomchild]

No artist should ever manage themselves especially a artist who is trying to rebuild his career.

As I said before they do have the opportunity to cha-ching off of Aaron.

I think at his age him running his own label would be even more of a mistaken then if he were to manage himself.

Angelofmusic35 you are wrong contracts do become null and void when you turn 18.

You act like Lou wasn't making any money, I hate to tell you this but contracts are written to favor the employer not the employee. So any money Lou has put into Aaron he has made back.

It shouldn't be hard for Aaron to find a new record label to sign him especialy if this reality show gets on air because with that the label won't have to risk alot of money by promoting Aaron because the reality show will do that for him.

The last thing Aaron needs is to be employed by his brother, he needs to show he is his own man and to do that he needs to be on a label that isn't connected to BSB or Nick.

Trans Con won't win anything in this case all that will happen is either it is thrown out of court or Aaron is going to have pay Lou money and that will be the end of Aaron and Trans Con.
well said

[UDontNeed2Know]

well said


well said...but not correct

[Angelofmusic35]

No artist should ever manage themselves especially a artist who is trying to rebuild his career.

As I said before they do have the opportunity to cha-ching off of Aaron.

I think at his age him running his own label would be even more of a mistaken then if he were to manage himself.

Angelofmusic35 you are wrong contracts do become null and void when you turn 18.

You act like Lou wasn't making any money, I hate to tell you this but contracts are written to favor the employer not the employee. So any money Lou has put into Aaron he has made back.

It shouldn't be hard for Aaron to find a new record label to sign him especialy if this reality show gets on air because with that the label won't have to risk alot of money by promoting Aaron because the reality show will do that for him.

The last thing Aaron needs is to be employed by his brother, he needs to show he is his own man and to do that he needs to be on a label that isn't connected to BSB or Nick.

Trans Con won't win anything in this case all that will happen is either it is thrown out of court or Aaron is going to have pay Lou money and that will be the end of Aaron and Trans Con.

Excuse me, I didn't realize we had a professional lawyer amongst us.

If contracts became null and void when you turn 18, then why would anyone even take the risk of signing a minor, especially someone who was a year away from becoming a legal adult? It wouldn't exactly be consider a 'wise investment'.

Also, I can pretty much guarantee that you have NO idea how much money Lou has 'made' from representing Aaron. Or how much money he forked out, to help Aaron's career. Take into consideration, the salaries of the people that work with him, that need to be paid. The money that goes into filming a movie, a music video, the paid extras, the equipment. That doesn't even begin to count the expenses that went into the little tour that he did. I could go on and on.

If you really think that Aaron's Radio Disney tour, and last mini tour, with canceled dates everywhere, and the sale of his single "Saturday night" made up for any cost that was forked out, then I pity you.

[Ocean_Serenity]

ugh.. I hope things work out for him

[Trippiehippie86]

i agree aaron shouldnt be put on nicks label. k thanks

haha, yeah...um, considering Nick's label is virtually unsuccessful....prolly not a good idea. I'm sure Nick would like to help his bro...his intentions are good...but, he should just be his big bro....that's it.

[Trippiehippie86]

Excuse me, I didn't realize we had a professional lawyer amongst us.

If contracts became null and void when you turn 18, then why would anyone even take the risk of signing a minor, especially someone who was a year away from becoming a legal adult? It wouldn't exactly be consider a 'wise investment'.

Also, I can pretty much guarantee that you have NO idea how much money Lou has 'made' from representing Aaron. Or how much money he forked out, to help Aaron's career. Take into consideration, the salaries of the people that work with him, that need to be paid. The money that goes into filming a movie, a music video, the paid extras, the equipment. That doesn't even begin to count the expenses that went into the little tour that he did. I could go on and on.

If you really think that Aaron's Radio Disney tour, and last mini tour, with canceled dates everywhere, and the sale of his single "Saturday night" made up for any cost that was forked out, then I pity you.


Hi. I'd just like to take this moment right now to thank you for being here. Carry on.:music:

[Trippiehippie86]

He's coming out with ANOTHER greatest hits? Oh....no.

lol, no no, it came out already, without Aaron really having any consent, and it was a tool used by Jive Records to humiliate him, make him look like he was trying to get more attention, and to make an extra buck or two off him real quick.

[Ashley]

haha, yeah...um, considering Nick's label is virtually unsuccessful....prolly not a good idea. I'm sure Nick would like to help his bro...his intentions are good...but, he should just be his big bro....that's it.
I agree. and also i think its better to keep your family family and your business stuff bussiness stuf. look at what happend the last time they tried to make this a family affair.

[suzanne]

The reason why is because JIVE wanted to sell cds of Aaron's music that they own. Once the lawsuit is over with Lou will do the samething with any of the music he owns of Aaron's.

UDontNeed2Know that is a very good name for you except you should drop the Need2 part because what I stated in my previous post was both well said...and correct and UDontKnow what you are talking about.

I don't know why anyone would even take the risk of signing a minor, especially someone who was a year away from becoming a legal adult that is a good question but no one ever said Lou was wise.

You are right I don't the exact ammount Lou has made off of Aaron or anyone else he has been involved with over the years however I do know for sure that contracts are written to favor the employer not the employee. So any money Lou has put into Aaron he has made back.

All the expenses you listed come out of the pocket of the artist before they even see a pay check.

Jive Records was trying to make an extra buck or two off him real quick but I don't think they were trying to humiliate him, make him look like he was trying to get more attention.

[Angelofmusic35]

Hi. I'd just like to take this moment right now to thank you for being here. Carry on.:music:

LOL...you're welcome. And great icon choice! :music:

[Angelofmusic35]

UDontNeed2Know that is a very good name for you except you should drop the Need2 part because what I stated in my previous post was both well said...and correct and UDontKnow what you are talking about.

I don't know why anyone would even take the risk of signing a minor, especially someone who was a year away from becoming a legal adult that is a good question but no one ever said Lou was wise.

You are right I don't the exact ammount Lou has made off of Aaron or anyone else he has been involved with over the years however I do know for sure that contracts are written to favor the employer not the employee. So any money Lou has put into Aaron he has made back.

All the expenses you listed come out of the pocket of the artist before they even see a pay check.



:noway: Your above statements have proven your ignorance to me. Especially when you are not aware of whom the parties are, that you are addressing the statements to. But, we are all entitled to our own opinions and what we believe. I stick to My Opinion: I pity you.

[End of the Road]

Well, there's one thing to be said. . . . Bob was running the show as Aaron's "manager" when this happened so this can't be blamed on Jane!

[Luv 4 Wil Heuser]

The reason why is because JIVE wanted to sell cds of Aaron's music that they own. Once the lawsuit is over with Lou will do the samething with any of the music he owns of Aaron's.

UDontNeed2Know that is a very good name for you except you should drop the Need2 part because what I stated in my previous post was both well said...and correct and UDontKnow what you are talking about.
I don't know why anyone would even take the risk of signing a minor, especially someone who was a year away from becoming a legal adult that is a good question but no one ever said Lou was wise.

You are right I don't the exact ammount Lou has made off of Aaron or anyone else he has been involved with over the years however I do know for sure that contracts are written to favor the employer not the employee. So any money Lou has put into Aaron he has made back.

All the expenses you listed come out of the pocket of the artist before they even see a pay check.

Jive Records was trying to make an extra buck or two off him real quick but I don't think they were trying to humiliate him, make him look like he was trying to get more attention.


OK...so I did a real good job of keeping out of this thread but I can't anymore.....Suzanne.....you need to check youself. You are completely wrong in all of your statements. You made yourself look like an a$$. If that was your intention, congrats! You have NO IDEA who you're talking to and about. You should really think about things before you post. Seriouly, just do us all a favor and forget about this forum. We're better off without you. I don't think a valid point or thing has ever come out of your mouth.

[suzanne]

I am aware if the parties that I was addressing my statements to Angelofmusic35.

No one is blamming Jane or Bob for anything involving this lawsuit End of the Road.

Luv 4 Wil Heuser your comments may have had some merrit if you bothered to actually prove me wrong rather then show your maturity level by doing nothing more then insult me.

[Dolphinboy]

Suzanne, you need to learn proper english (as do a lot of other people). It's "nothing more than insult me", not "then".

Here's an example to show what I mean.

Correct use:

Things were better back then.

Sunshine is better than rain.

Geddit?

Sorry, have just seen a lot of people mixing this and it annoys the hell outta me. And also, it's "blaming", not "blamming."

[Luv 4 Wil Heuser]

I am aware if the parties that I was addressing my statements to Angelofmusic35.

No one is blamming Jane or Bob for anything involving this lawsuit End of the Road.

Luv 4 Wil Heuser your comments may have had some merrit if you bothered to actually prove me wrong rather then show your maturity level by doing nothing more then insult me.
There's nothing to prove. Your posts speak for themselves. Have a nice day in your sad little world.

[Trippiehippie86]

Suzanne, you need to learn proper english (as do a lot of other people). It's "nothing more than insult me", not "then".

Here's an example to show what I mean.

Correct use:

Things were better back then.

Sunshine is better than rain.

Geddit?

Sorry, have just seen a lot of people mixing this and it annoys the hell outta me. And also, it's "blaming", not "blamming."

You're such a doll. I <3 you. lol:tongue:

[End of the Road]

Frankly, it's just easier to blamm Jane or Bob that it is for Aaaruhhnnn to take responsibility. Duht ya thinnnnnkkk so, Luv Fer Will?

[Luv 4 Wil Heuser]

Frankly, it's just easier to blamm Jane or Bob that it is for Aaaruhhnnn to take responsibility. Duht ya thinnnnnkkk so, Luv Fer Will?
i'm not sure if you're "on my side" or not...but yeah...everyone's always quick to blame bob and jane for everything....well that's just not the case.

[Trippiehippie86]

This particular situation isn't really Aaron's fault......or Bob's....or Jane's.....so I'm sorry if I'm a bit confused over some of the arguements here.:scratch:

[Luv 4 Wil Heuser]

I'm not arguing with anyone. Just merely trying to get Suzanne to shut her pie hole. She's never made a valid point ina any one of her posts. She ranks right up there with Dreamer and Peaches. But anyways, yeah.

[Ashley]

hey melanie. i think i'm going to sit here and kiss your ass and go on and on about how much i agree and love you. i hope you don't get annoyed with me.






lmfao.

[Luv 4 Wil Heuser]

*oops :)

[Luv 4 Wil Heuser]

haha...its cool. i fell on my butt today at the pool....so it could use some kissing. :p

[Ashley]

haha...its cool. i fell on my butt today at the pool....so it could use some kissing. :p
hahah did you really? you're such a loser. but i agree with everything you said and i love you so much.
i agree
i agree
i agree
i agree
i agree
i agree
i agree
i agree
omg i love you
omg i love you
omg i love you
omg i love you
omg i love you
omg i love you
omg i love you
omg i love you
omg i love you

[Luv 4 Wil Heuser]

haha....you're crazy. but i definately love you. :)

[Ashley]

i love you too

[Luv 4 Wil Heuser]

:D so anyways...

[Ashley]

i'm so annoyed with people. i'm making us aother thread.

[Luv 4 Wil Heuser]

haha meany!

[Trippiehippie86]

I'm not arguing with anyone. Just merely trying to get Suzanne to shut her pie hole. She's never made a valid point ina any one of her posts. She ranks right up there with Dreamer and Peaches. But anyways, yeah.

Haha, yeah. She can spell slightly better than P&D, but that's about it.:funny:

[alexlovesaaron5]

i'm so annoyed with people. i'm making us aother thread.

sorry... :)

[Ashley]

Haha, yeah. She can spell slightly better than P&D, but that's about it.:funny:
mi dowg kan spel beter than herrr

[Luv 4 Wil Heuser]

HAHA! That's sweetness right there. lol. :D

[OcBaybee]

haha, yeah...um, considering Nick's label is virtually unsuccessful....prolly not a good idea. I'm sure Nick would like to help his bro...his intentions are good...but, he should just be his big bro....that's it.

i agree

[OcBaybee]

Suzanne, you need to learn proper english (as do a lot of other people). It's "nothing more than insult me", not "then".

Here's an example to show what I mean.

Correct use:

Things were better back then.

Sunshine is better than rain.

Geddit?

Sorry, have just seen a lot of people mixing this and it annoys the hell outta me. And also, it's "blaming", not "blamming."

i'd like to say.. your pretty amazing. k thanks.

[End of the Road]

i'm not sure if you're "on my side" or not...but yeah...everyone's always quick to blame bob and jane for everything....well that's just not the case.

Sorry to confuse you - I'm on the side of good grammar, LMAO! :roll:

[Dolphinboy]

I would think I am too lol.

[OcBaybee]

People trying to teach gramar on here to others is like trying to ban this board of drama. It will never happen! lol

[Blondhottie114]

lou can kiss my butt... i very highly doubt lou is going to win this case.... come on....