Afghan President Karzai explains to U.S. media why we're fighting terrorism

[Regis Philbin]

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092606/content/truth_detector.guest.html


KARZAI: Terrorism was hurting us way before Iraq or September 11th. The president mentioned some examples of it. These extremist forces were killing people in Afghanistan and around the world for years, closing schools, burning mosques, killing children, uprooting vineyards, vine trees, grapes hanging on them, forcing populations to poverty and misery. They came to America on September 11th, but they were attacking you before September 11th in other parts of the world. We are a witness in Afghanistan to what they are and how they can hurt. You are a witness in New York. Do you forget people jumping off the 80th floor or 70th floor when the planes hit them? Can you imagine what it will be for a man or a woman to jump off that high? Who did that? And where are they now? And how do we fight them, how do we get rid of them? Other than going after them. Should we wait for them to come and kill us again? That's why we need more action around the world, in Afghanistan and elsewhere, to get them defeated. Extremism, their allies, terrorists, and the like.

Bravo! :D

Absolutely brillant statement. Too bad our drive-by media won't give it much attention...

[tiger_rascal]

Terrorism was a problem then, its a problem now and we will have to actively combat terrorists around the world for many, many years to come.

The fact that some people honestly believe that without this war on terrorism, starting in Iraq, we would have less terrorists is beyond illogical. How do we not know that the number of terrorists would be more than double what they are now if we did not take action? What about other attacks on our soil? I agree with Karzai. Some Americans would rather wait until another attack killed hundreds or thousands before deciding it was time to do something. But how easily and quickly we forget.

[LesterX]

The fact that some people honestly believe that without this war on terrorism, starting in Iraq, we would have less terrorists is beyond illogical.

So you're a terrorism expert in addition to all your other areas of expertise, I see. I guess all those illogical people include this nation's intelligence community, as evidenced by the NIE report, which called the Iraq war a "cause celebre" for jihadists.


The report credits four factors with facilitating the spread of the jihadist movement: 1) "entrenched grievances, such as corruption, injustice and fear of Western domination;" 2) jihad in Iraq; 3) the torpid pace of economic, social and political reforms in Muslim nations; and 4) a "pervasive anti-U.S. sentiment among Muslims."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/26/nie.iraq/index.html

Some Americans would rather wait until another attack killed hundreds or thousands before deciding it was time to do something. But how easily and quickly we forget.

Once again, it is time to point out that Iraq had nothing, zippo, nada to do with 9/11. Some Americans would rather convolute the two to suit a political agenda, and other Americans buy into it hook, line and sinker.

[tiger_rascal]

So you're a terrorism expert in addition to all your other areas of expertise, I see. I guess all those illogical people include this nation's intelligence community, as evidenced by the NIE report, which called the Iraq war a "cause celebre" for jihadists.

Do they have proof that without the Iraq war things would be any better?

[DoubleEdgeSword]

Oh I don't know. Can you prove that if Andre Agasi didn't retire that he would have won Wimbledon in 2010? Can you prove that if Nostradamus hadn't wowed the Czar that Sylvia Brown wouldn't be making millions from her books? Can you prove that if Jesus hadn't been born that all the Christians would now be Muslims?

[LesterX]

You can't prove or disprove a hypothetical situation. The bottom line is that there is a war in Iraq and the intelligence community believes that has contributed to a growth in jihadists. There's nothing illogical about it.

[tiger_rascal]

There's nothing illogical about it.

I think so. I believe that terrorists numbers would have grown either way.

[LesterX]

The experts disagree with you. I'll take their word over your logic, or lack thereof.

[tiger_rascal]

Thats cool, its just your opinion and who you choose to believe. Keep in mind the experts are not always right.

Its simply my belief that if we had done nothing after 9/11 terrorism would still have grown. To think otherwise is simply foolish. Terrorism has been growing, it was before 9/11, and it will continue.

[LesterX]

I bow to your superior intelligence. Of course it's simply foolish to believe anything other than what the mighty Chad believes.

[tiger_rascal]

Oh, I assure you, I am not the only one that believes that. I can not take the credit, its really just common sense. You really need to get out of this forum more often.

[db44]

I think so. I believe that terrorists numbers would have grown either way.

Then explain the illogical huge increase in people enlisting in the Army following 9/11. Seems like the same situation to me.

[LesterX]

Oh, I assure you, I am not the only one that believes that. I can not take the credit, its really just common sense. You really need to get out of this forum more often.

You really need to take a reading comprehension course. (Maybe you can sign up with Regis and qualify for a group discount.) I never claimed that you were the only person who believes that. You really need to get over yourself -- I assure you that I've heard opinions other than yours that differ from mine, and that my world does not revolve around the LD political forum.

[tiger_rascal]

Then explain the illogical huge increase in people enlisting in the Army following 9/11. Seems like the same situation to me.

People wanted to fight for their country. Just as terrorists saw that they attacked us successfully, so they get a boost of confidence, maybe they figure they can strike us again. Regardless of our actions.

[tiger_rascal]

You really need to get over yourself -- I assure you that I've heard opinions other than yours that differ from mine, and that my world does not revolve around the LD political forum.

Perhaps you need to get over youself? Stick with attacking the issue, not the poster. We can do without filling up these threads with nonsense posts.

[LesterX]

When you told me I needed to get out of this forum more often, you were hardly "sticking with attacking the issue" so stop being such a hypocrite. And when you say that anyone who disagrees with you is "simply foolish" you are also attacking the poster who has expressed such disagreement, albeit in an indirect fashion. It's classic passive aggressive behavior. Oh, and calling posts "nonsense posts" is also an attack, FYI. I really don't care, but spare me the hypocrisy and self-righteousness.

[db44]

People wanted to fight for their country. Just as terrorists saw that they attacked us successfully, so they get a boost of confidence, maybe they figure they can strike us again. Regardless of our actions.

And it has nothing to do with defending one's homeland, or region of the world? Of seeing the U.S. saying they are bringing an end to Saddam's tyranny and then using torture and unjustified imprisonment the same way, and seeing a danger to their sovergnty?

[db44]

What is it with this forum of late? Everyone needs to chill.

[tiger_rascal]

LesterX, I will treat you as you treat me. Yes, it was wrong of me to stoop to your level. I apologize.

[Stopanimalabuse]

I would agree with Karzai on one issue. When the US military bombs a school in another country, that would be considered terrorism. When more than 1 million Iraqi citizens died of US-led sanctions, that would be considered terrorism. When the Israeli's and Palestinians kill each other, that would be considered terrorism. When African groups destroy villages, that would be considered terrorism. So, I would agree;terrorism has been a problem long before the events happened, and are a problem today.

It is remarkable how quiet people are about Afghanistan today. I've heard pretty much nothing about how much better the people are today than previously. He's not much better than the Taliban.