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Regis Philbin
Dec 17th, 2006, 10:42 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/18/world/18expat.html?em&ex=1166504400&en=4a9fff99d17afbfb&ei=5087%0A

Some Americans Abroad Turn in Passports

By DOREEN CARVAJAL
Published: December 18, 2006

PARIS, Dec. 17 — She is a former marine, a native Californian and, now, an ex-American who prefers to remain discreet about abandoning her citizenship. After 10 years of warily considering options, she turned in her United States passport last month without ceremony, becoming an alien in the view of her homeland.

“It’s a really hard thing to do,” said the woman, a 16-year resident of Geneva who had tired of the cost and time of filing yearly United States tax returns on top of her Swiss taxes. “I just kept putting this off. But it’s my kids and the estate tax. I don’t care if I die with only one Swiss franc to my name, but the U.S. shouldn’t get money I earned here when I die.”

Historically, small numbers of Americans have turned in their passports every year for political and economic reasons, with the numbers reaching a high of about 2,000 during the Vietnam War in the early 1970s.

But after Congress sharply raised taxes this year for many Americans living abroad, some international tax lawyers say they detect rising demand from citizens to renounce ties with the United States, the only developed country that taxes it citizens while they live overseas. Americans abroad are also taxed in the countries where they live.

“The administrative costs of being an American and living outside the U.S. have gone up dramatically,” said Marnin Michaels, a tax lawyer with Baker & McKenzie in Zurich.

So far this year, the Internal Revenue Service has tallied 509 Americans who have given up their citizenship, said Anthony Burke, an I.R.S. spokesman in Washington. He said complete figures were still being calculated.

Applications to renounce citizenship are on the rise at the American Embassy in Paris, according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity. At the embassy in London, the number of applications was reported to be fairly stable over the past two years, though it would be hard to spot a recent surge because applications are taking longer to process there than in past years. Neither embassy would disclose exact figures. A spokeswoman for the American Embassy in London, Karen Maxfield, said Americans living abroad usually took the step “because they do not have strong ties to the United States and do not believe that they will ever live there in the future.”

pinky
Dec 18th, 2006, 03:04 PM
Gee, Richie, that was a neocon Republican-controlled Congress that raised those taxes, wasn't it?

And a neocon Republican President who signed it, too.

How very "LIB" of them to do that!!!!

Richard Tafoya
Dec 18th, 2006, 03:46 PM
And there are clearly some people for whom money is more important than U.S. citizenship.

SparkleHugs
Dec 18th, 2006, 09:53 PM
I am curious what the tax rate was before and what it is now.

db44
Dec 19th, 2006, 06:11 AM
I am curious what the tax rate was before and what it is now.

I'm not sure it's a matter of a higher rate per se. I have thought about moving abroad a few times in the last 10 years or so, and shortly after Bush took office the issue wasn't so much the raising of the tax rate, it was that those living abroad were going to be taxed their normal domestic taxes (which they hadn't been subject to) as well as taxes they were already paying. Essentially, they were going to have to pay taxes for someplace they didn't live and which had an infastructure they didn't use.

SparkleHugs
Dec 19th, 2006, 12:31 PM
I had a friend who lived in sweden for 2 years and came back about a year ago, he paid upwards of 25% of his income to Swedish taxes but utilized their free public transportation and spent about $20 for $1000 worth of dental work. So definately utilzed the services that he helped pay for, however in those 2 years he didnt use any of the services the American tax paid for, however I dont know how much he paid in American taxes then. But he never complained about it, so i dont think it was that much while he was there. Since the article says that Congress sharply raised taxes this year, so that leads me to beleive that they are significantly higher now than they were before, so I still wonder what they paid before and what they're paying now.

I figure you should be paying most taxes in the land that you are in, I dont see why they should pay as much in taxes as I do when they wont be here to see the effects of it.

Annoyedlistner
Dec 19th, 2006, 02:47 PM
I had a friend who lived in sweden for 2 years and came back about a year ago, he paid upwards of 25% of his income to Swedish taxes but utilized their free public transportation and spent about $20 for $1000 worth of dental work. So definately utilzed the services that he helped pay for, however in those 2 years he didnt use any of the services the American tax paid for, however I dont know how much he paid in American taxes then. But he never complained about it, so i dont think it was that much while he was there. Since the article says that Congress sharply raised taxes this year, so that leads me to beleive that they are significantly higher now than they were before, so I still wonder what they paid before and what they're paying now.

I figure you should be paying most taxes in the land that you are in, I dont see why they should pay as much in taxes as I do when they wont be here to see the effects of it.

i feel the same way....i do think that a person should continue to pay Social Sercurity...so that when the person comes back to the states and when they reach the age to obtain social security they are withdrawing from a fund that they help support.

SparkleHugs
Dec 19th, 2006, 03:20 PM
I agree, they shouldn't be totally American tax free, but shouldnt have to pay the same rate that you and I do if they wont even be here. I think that paying into Social Security is something they definately should not be exempt from.