Britney winning over Christina on Star Search

[x Dirrty Diana x]

i love knowing that Britney won(for singing) against the boy that won when he was up against Christina, LOL.. it just goes to show who was the better singer as a child

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CgR420xDN1s

here's a good compilation of some of her live performances. i love the performance around 2:58. u'll never be able to find a performance from xtina as a child singing like that:D :D

[GeNieEntrapPed]

damn, what happened to that voice?

[MissA]

Where the hell did you come up with that? :susp2: They did not compete against the same person... or did they :nc:

and who cares if she could sing at 10?... now she couldn't hit a note to save her life... or her kids... :o

[TurnOffTheLight]

her voice always reminds me of a Barbie doll.

[kristina]

Um...Break It To Me Gently pawns Britney's life from age 1-10.

Think @ MMC. LOL @ Britney attempting that.

Besides, CHRISTINA got the highest score for singing in the MMC auditions; not Britney. ;)

[Black Velvet]

The legendary Britney Spears, indeed.

[x Dirrty Diana x]

Um...Break It To Me Gently pawns Britney's life from age 1-10.

Think @ MMC. LOL @ Britney attempting that.

if britney attempted it she would do it 20 times better. those performances are boring and overrated just like christina's performances now. i see she hasn't changed over the years:greyno:

[kristina]

lol, desperate much? :laugh:

It's okay, sweetie. I forgive you. It will get better soon.

I don't know...I guess my advice is: just find a talented artist to be a fan of next time? Then you won't have to go through such a painful ordeal. :nod:

[x Dirrty Diana x]

lol, desperate much? :laugh:

It's okay, sweetie. I forgive you. It will get better soon.

I don't know...I guess my advice is: just find a talented artist to be a fan of next time? Then you won't have to go through such a painful ordeal. :nod:


what the **** did any of that have to do with Britney ****tin on xtopher as a lil boy?

[GeNieEntrapPed]

i don't remember christina doing anything difficult in "break it to me gently" or "think" though?

[Black Velvet]

Case in point. Britney has received more standing ovations in her career than Chrissy.

[x Dirrty Diana x]

Case in point. Britney has received more standing ovations in her career than Chrissy.

i think everybody has. christina's only gotten 1 and it wasn't even for her song. to be honest it wasn't even for her performance really, just out of respect for the dead man the song was originally sung by:manson:

[Black Velvet]

i think everybody has. christina's only gotten 1 and it wasn't even for her song. to be honest it wasn't even for her performance really, just out of respect for the dead man the song was originally sung by:manson:
good point. Christina, although she has a powerful voice, lacks charisma... what it takes to "touch" or connect with an audience.

[Princess Serenity]

LOL WTF, Britney was on it in 1992, Christina in 1990, how did they compete against the same person?!

[jade.]

what a sad person you are, go get laid or something.

[tommyboy612]

woooooooooooooooooooow did you people really just stoop that low.

I am at a loss for words.

[DirrtyBoy]

They're Britney stans. What do you expect?

[speedyforme]

I can't for Alicia to pwn her on Nov 13th

[aleronihead]

These threads are sad and disillusioned.

[rockonchris]

Break It To Me Gently
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Mucj7hHJ_uQ&mode=related&search=

Black Velvet
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1HfHXqzLflY&mode=related&search=

National Anthem
http://youtube.com/watch?v=leTzT3v_mls&mode=related&search=

I Have Nothing
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8stofQzIso&mode=related&search=

Love Can Move Mountains
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GKfsZ35tOLI&mode=related&search=

What Child Is This?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K6TswsYvCdw


Thanks for trying! :roll:

[DirrtyBoy]

Break It To Me Gently
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Mucj7hHJ_uQ&mode=related&search=

Black Velvet
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1HfHXqzLflY&mode=related&search=

National Anthem
http://youtube.com/watch?v=leTzT3v_mls&mode=related&search=

I Have Nothing
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8stofQzIso&mode=related&search=

Love Can Move Mountains
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GKfsZ35tOLI&mode=related&search=

What Child Is This?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K6TswsYvCdw


Thanks for trying! :roll:
rofl.

Aww, Britney's continuing bad publicity is giving Dirrty Diana a mental breakdown like Chris Crocker.

Poor thang. :laugh:

[Zirolia]

Break It To Me Gently
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Mucj7hHJ_uQ&mode=related&search=

Black Velvet
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1HfHXqzLflY&mode=related&search=

National Anthem
http://youtube.com/watch?v=leTzT3v_mls&mode=related&search=

I Have Nothing
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8stofQzIso&mode=related&search=

Love Can Move Mountains
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GKfsZ35tOLI&mode=related&search=

What Child Is This?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K6TswsYvCdw


Thanks for trying! :roll:

You forgot Think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCbAXV3Tf8w :nod:

[DirrtyBoy]

You forgot Think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCbAXV3Tf8w :nod:
I don't remember seeing you around on the CA forum. Come On Over, Baby! :p

[Zirolia]

I don't remember seeing you around on the CA forum. Come On Over, Baby! :p

I'm there all the time, I just don't post a lot :p

[HighHeeledHO]

Its pathetic the only way Britney stans can see the light is by crawling to the BritneyVSChristina thing as an escape mechanism to cope with the harsh reality :noway:

[julie.]

lol, they weren't even on Star Search in the same year. And BOTH of them lost.

[mordacis]

the lenghts the crackney-stans goes makes me rotf...i can´t ****ing believe this thread....luckily enough, sane ppl are laughing at you...y´all have to go back to 1992 to find something good about her :noway:...get into rihanna instead

and yeah, britney lost too...and not with a tie, like with christina, i think

[jimmyboy]

This thread is freaking hilarious :roll: Like, sure britney's stans, Britney can sing alright.

Just look how Christina ONWED Britney's life on the Like A Virgin performance, there was this weak ass voice and then, this monster-in-a-good-way voice who blew her out of the water without even trying ;)

Christina = Voice and lungs
Britney = Dance and publicity

Enough said trolls, go back to the mental institution you escaped from..

[mordacis]

^and that is coming from a LAMB!

bye, twatney-stans! :roll:

[DirrtyBoy]

lmfao

[~Jenna~]

ok this is ot: but the vma's are reairing on belgian mtv right now and they just skipped britney's performance all together! that's embarassing...

[GeNieEntrapPed]

Break It To Me Gently
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Mucj7hHJ_uQ&mode=related&search=

Black Velvet
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1HfHXqzLflY&mode=related&search=

National Anthem
http://youtube.com/watch?v=leTzT3v_mls&mode=related&search=

I Have Nothing
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8stofQzIso&mode=related&search=

Love Can Move Mountains
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GKfsZ35tOLI&mode=related&search=

What Child Is This?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K6TswsYvCdw


Thanks for trying! :roll:

I actually wasn't impressed by any of those. :o

I kinda liked "Black Velvet" and "Break It To Me Gently," but I never saw the big deal about her voice back then, other than the fact that it was very mature. She'd always stay in this faux-throaty monotone voice and then she'd get a bit louder at the end, but the pitch would basically stay the same. It really sticks out in "The Star Spangled Banner." She sounds like she's doing an impersonation of the Cookie Monster, lol.

at that age:

tone + maturity + style = christina.

power = britney.

power + range = jessica

[DirrtyBoy]

Britney had a voice when she was a child, but I still prefer Christina's. This is one of the videos of her when she was 12 that impressed me: http://youtube.com/watch?v=K6TswsYvCdw&mode=related&search=

She should have sounded like THAT on her "My Kind of Christmas" album. :o

[GeNieEntrapPed]

she always did have a great lower range. it really sounds a thousand times better than her upper.

[heavenwaits_22]

So I love how when this one person bashes your favorite artist all of you have to retaliate and bash Britney.

The only reason you people come here is to bash Britney. Why don't you save yourself the trouble and just go back to your own forum.

[speedyforme]

ok this is ot: but the vma's are reairing on belgian mtv right now and they just skipped britney's performance all together! that's embarassing...
oh wow...

but I guess MTV did her a favour actually

[DirrtyBoy]

So I love how when this one person bashes your favorite artist all of you have to retaliate and bash Britney.

The only reason you people come here is to bash Britney. Why don't you save yourself the trouble and just go back to your own forum.
Everytime we want to talk about Britney, the mods tell us to take it to the Britney forum. So... :sunny:

[jimmyboy]

Everytime we want to talk about Britney, the mods tell us to take it to the Britney forum. So... :sunny:
Preach it :nod:

[GeNieEntrapPed]

oh wow...

but I guess MTV did her a favour actually

maybe her camp paid them to. i would have. :o

[x Dirrty Diana x]

Break It To Me Gently
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Mucj7hHJ_uQ&mode=related&search=

Black Velvet
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1HfHXqzLflY&mode=related&search=

National Anthem
http://youtube.com/watch?v=leTzT3v_mls&mode=related&search=

I Have Nothing
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8stofQzIso&mode=related&search=

Love Can Move Mountains
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GKfsZ35tOLI&mode=related&search=

What Child Is This?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K6TswsYvCdw


Thanks for trying! :roll:

u wasted all that time trying to find links and u still haven't proven that christina was the better singer as a child :roll:

[LovesEmbrace]

tone + maturity + style = christina.

power = britney.

power + range = jessica

Mmhmm.

Funny how they all lost that when they got older.

[SkunKy]

ok this is ot: but the vma's are reairing on belgian mtv right now and they just skipped britney's performance all together! that's embarassing...
lol yeah tonight on the dutch mtv aswell

[ghettoguy]

Mmhmm.

Funny how they all lost that when they got older.

Maturity- Christina STILL sounds like an old soul,ask Etta James,if she ignores you ask Herbie,if he does try Teddy Pendergrass.

Style- She has one of the most imitated singing styles in music.

Tone- One of the BEST tones in music,point blank period.

What exactly did Christina lose?

[DirrtyBoy]

Maturity- Christina STILL sounds like an old soul,ask Etta James,if she ignores you ask Herbie,if he does try Teddy Pendergrass.

Style- She has one of the most imitated singing styles in music.

Tone- One of the BEST tones in music,point blank period.

What exactly did Christina lose?
Don't mind him. He's deaf. ;)

[LovesEmbrace]

Maturity- Christina STILL sounds like an old soul,ask Etta James,if she ignores you ask Herbie,if he does try Teddy Pendergrass.

Style- She has one of the most imitated singing styles in music.

Tone- One of the BEST tones in music,point blank period.

What exactly did Christina lose?

DEAD.

You caught feelings and you ran in here ready to defend. Good boy.

I actually meant that for Jessica and Britney. I just forgot to say 'excluding Christina.'

Sue me.

[GeNieEntrapPed]

DEAD.

You caught feelings and you ran in here ready to defend. Good boy.

I actually meant that for Jessica and Britney. I just forgot to say 'excluding Christina.'

Sue me.

nah, i think in floppica's case, she just doesn't care anymore. she still did hit a G5 when she had that throat infection afterall. :laugh:

i don't think it's unsalvageable. britney, on the other hand...now that's a prime example of what you'd call a "busted flush." :noway:

[kristina]

Case in point. Britney has received more standing ovations in her career than Chrissy.
I've never seen Britney get a standing ovation. :laugh:

[DirrtyBoy]

Anyone else noticed the Location for Dirrty Diana? "B before C"?

Britney is "BS" for a good reason. :roll:

and Aguilera... Spears. :p

[Bunsen]

at that age:

tone + maturity + style = christina.

power = britney.

power + range = jessica
Britney had the power because she yelled. When I was that age, I could yell like that and it kinda sounds like singing but it's really not... I think on her "Driven" or other special there was a vocal coach who commented on her singing technique.

[MrBabyJane]

Christina Aguilera is one of the best vocalists today, so you can take this post and shove it up your ass! Britney Spears doesn't got **** on Christina.

[Britina]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2riqp_christina-aguilera-winning-best-new_music

[Beutifulstranger]

lol... the person who started this is too funny...:hah::hah::hah:

[rockonchris]

Ya, just for the record, Britney screamed when she was little. That's not singing, it just kind of sounded impressive coming from a little girl. Once she hit puberty, bye-bye.

[John]

*DEAD*

Plz put this in Golden Moments.

[x Dirrty Diana x]

Anyone else noticed the Location for Dirrty Diana? "B before C"?

Britney is "BS" for a good reason. :roll:

and Aguilera... Spears. :p

that's wack and doesnt make any sense, much like ur existance on this planet

[x Dirrty Diana x]

Britney had the power because she yelled. When I was that age, I could yell like that and it kinda sounds like singing but it's really not... I think on her "Driven" or other special there was a vocal coach who commented on her singing technique.

funny how that applies for christina now, except she can't sing as high as britney could when brit was a kid lol. a shame

[John]

that's wack and doesnt make any sense, much like ur existance on this planet
How does that not make any sense? It makes as much sense as your location does. Unless, of course, your knowledge of the alphabet is only up to the letter C?

[x Dirrty Diana x]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2riqp_christina-aguilera-winning-best-new_music

and where is she at now? she can't even sell 2 million:laugh:

[x Dirrty Diana x]

How does that not make any sense? It makes as much sense as your location does. Unless, of course, your knowledge of the alphabet is only up to the letter C?
nobody was talking to u, bobby trendy :arrow:

[John]

rotf, Honey.

Britney can't even give a decent performance.

Britney can't even stay for an interview.

Britney can't even stay in one room for more than five minutes before having to go a bathroom bare-footed with her best friend, giggling and and then later having a meltdown.

Britney can't even lipsync.

Come on, now. :laugh:

[John]

nobody was talking to u, bobby trendy :arrow:
I love it when people can't think of anything else to say, so they resort to epithets that are irrelevant to the situation. Grow up, plz.

[x Dirrty Diana x]

rotf, Honey.

Britney can't even give a decent performance.

Britney can't even stay for an interview.

Britney can't even stay in one room for more than five minutes before having to go a bathroom bare-footed with her best friend, giggling and and then later having a meltdown.

Britney can't even lipsync.

Come on, now. :laugh:

and christina STILL can't sell 2 million, now go dumb again

[John]

Let's see Britney sell 2 million with that disastrous performance. :sick:

[x Dirrty Diana x]

she'll sell it way before xtopher :laugh:

[John]

Christopher? LMAO Clever, aren't you? :rolleye2:

[Britina]

and where is she at now?
Christina is performing at the Emmy's tonight with a legend.

[DirrtyBoy]

Christina is performing at the Emmy's tonight with a legend.
OWN3D

[jade.]

and christina STILL can't sell 2 million, now go dumb again
Yeah, because sales are everything. :laugh: Now go dumb again.

[jade.]

funny how that applies for christina now, except she can't sing as high as britney could when brit was a kid lol. a shame
SOOO? Christina is the better singer now, fool.
That was then this is now, get with it.

[Beutifulstranger]

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[Beutifulstranger]

They see me rolling....
They hating
Patrolling they tryin to catch me ridin dirty
try and catch me riding dirty....

[Beutifulstranger]

:funny:

[Beutifulstranger]

My music so loud
I'm swangin
They hopin that they gon catch me ridin dirty

[Beutifulstranger]

Im having fun with this thread... trying to make good use of it :o

[x Dirrty Diana x]

Christina is performing at the Emmy's tonight with a legend.

lol@her performing with a legend and still not making noise. nobody was hyped for it except for her stupid fans on here. xtopher just cannot win. it's what.. 7-8 years later and she's STILL in Brit's shadow? I know he mad:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[bl0ndxrebel]

I'm one of Britney's biggest fans and I'm the first to say you have problems. Britney has no shadow. She is her own entity, as is Christina. They are both different artists known for different things. Christina is in NO way in anyones shadow, nor will she ever be- especially Britney's.

[Zirolia]

and christina STILL can't sell 2 million, now go dumb again

What? Christina has sold over 2 million :P

[xxxca]

LOL! Crazy.

[heavenwaits_22]

Christina is performing at the Emmy's tonight with a legend.Nobody really made a fuss about it except for the fans obviously. The rumor that generated the most buzz for the Emmys was if Britney was going to be there. It was all over the red carpet. After they were finished talking to a celebrity they'd say "it's all over the internet, it is rumored Britney Spears is going to be here." She never planned to go the Emmy producers put it out there to get more viewers. Kinda sad considering that you'd need to that even though you've got a "legend" performing, and countless other big name television actors/actresses.

[kristina]

and christina STILL can't sell 2 million, now go dumb again
Um, she was already certified 2x platinum.

[kristina]

Nobody really made a fuss about it except for the fans obviously. The rumor that generated the most buzz for the Emmys was if Britney was going to be there. It was all over the red carpet. After they were finished talking to a celebrity they'd say "it's all over the internet, it is rumored Britney Spears is going to be here." She never planned to go the Emmy producers put it out there to get more viewers. Kinda sad considering that you'd need to that even though you've got a "legend" performing, and countless other big name television actors/actresses.
Don't you get it yet??? lol

Yes, award shows that need ratings exploit entertainers that they know will get them attention. I don't understand why Britney fans act like it's a GOOD thing that she gets that attention? People tune into watch Britney, Lindsay, Paris etc because they KNOW that they're almost garaunteed to see them do something stupid.

[Britina]

lol@her performing with a legend and still not making noise. nobody was hyped for it except for her stupid fans on here. xtopher just cannot win. it's what.. 7-8 years later and she's STILL in Brit's shadow? I know he mad:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Nobody really made a fuss about it except for the fans obviously. The rumor that generated the most buzz for the Emmys was if Britney was going to be there. It was all over the red carpet. After they were finished talking to a celebrity they'd say "it's all over the internet, it is rumored Britney Spears is going to be here." She never planned to go the Emmy producers put it out there to get more viewers. Kinda sad considering that you'd need to that even though you've got a "legend" performing, and countless other big name television actors/actresses.

*yawn*

What you both fail to realize is that Britney made a fool of herself last Sunday...of course people want to see her and talk to her! Are you people that blind? :laugh:

People always want to see Britney, Lindsay, Paris, etc...and it's not because of their talent. :laugh:

[x Dirrty Diana x]

Um, she was already certified 2x platinum.

it was certified for 2 million shipped, not sold. she'll never sell it

[Fremmy]

it just goes to show who was the better singer as a child


Indeed,'was'^^ :D

[kristina]

it was certified for 2 million shipped, not sold. she'll never sell it
Stripped sold more than ITZ, though. Which was both of their last albums. Who's to say she'll suddenly bounce back and sell like her debut did? And she was pretty hot when ITZ came out...now, not so much. :crazy:

[jade.]

God, someone ban this troll already.

[speedyforme]

Yes, I can totally see Christina in Brit's shadow...ladies and gentlemen, the current state of affairs:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/ourgang1/eggonface.jpg

[aleronihead]

This **** is pathetic.

How old are most of you?

It's 2007. There is NO RIVALRY. The rivalry was invented by the media, and a lot of gullible fans bought into it.

Grow up and move on. Christina has.

[ghettoguy]

Im sorry but Britney is a bit too trashy for the Emmy's. I doubt she would get an invite out of respect,just for ratings Im sure.

[Bunsen]

Another thing...
She'd always stay in this faux-throaty monotone voice and then she'd get a bit louder at the end, but the pitch would basically stay the same.
By pitch do you mean how she kinda sings with full throttle the whole way through? Her voice is never soft, except maybe in Black Velvet for a bit. I can see (hear) it now, if that's what you mean. :p In MMC she sang better, I think.

[Diva4230]

Christina tied with the boy, then he won in the tie breaker.. Christina should have done an uptempo..

Britney lost when she did the ballad as well..

[x Dirrty Diana x]

Stripped sold more than ITZ, though. Which was both of their last albums. Who's to say she'll suddenly bounce back and sell like her debut did? And she was pretty hot when ITZ came out...now, not so much. :crazy:

Oops > Stripped

[x Dirrty Diana x]

God, someone ban this troll already.
u look like a troll

[jimmyboy]

Oops > Stripped
*Dead*

[jade.]

u look like a troll
Is that the best you can say? Then again, you always talk sh*t.

[GeNieEntrapPed]

Another thing...

By pitch do you mean how she kinda sings with full throttle the whole way through? Her voice is never soft, except maybe in Black Velvet for a bit. I can see (hear) it now, if that's what you mean. :p In MMC she sang better, I think.

It was just monotone, lol. Same pitch and same volume, almost all the time. It wasn't soft, it wasn't loud.

[Appolonia24]

please even as a child britney still sound horrible listen to her sing the verses to the song it's a hot mess and when she yelled out the so-called high notes those sound a hot damn mess too.

christina was and still is the better singer.
i wish we could see that footage of christina singing vision of love and the thrill is gone when she was little, i bet those performances OWNED any song britney tried to sing.lol

also when christina was little she never really did the riffs and different things with her voice, because she didn't know about all the things you could do with your voice, she learned as she got older but even then she was still better then britney.

christina even said when she first got a vocal coach she was surprised how high she could make her voice go that's why she's great now christina just got better in better .the reason britney got worse in worse was because she couldn't sing from the get go, and she shouted out her high notes. christina sometimes shouts out her notes but she knows how to do it right just like whitney and mariah could!

britney has a voice just good for singing around the house or the shower and that's about it!

[kristina]

Oops > Stripped
:nc:

Ok...I think that's enough conversing with someone who is clearly delusional in every sense of the word.

:roll:

[Appolonia24]

stripped owns oops in every way possible from the vocals to the lyrics actually walk away owns everything on oops!

to be fair to britney oops was a good pop album for that time but it was not better then stripped to me!

[tiger_rascal]

I cant stand Christinas vocals! I cant put my finger on it exactly, but its odd. Its like she screams and does not know how to control her voice. Maybe scream is not a good word for it, maybe she simply can not control the volume of her voice. And it sounds like she almost always sings in a low or deep tone, rather than singing softly and naturally.

I think her vocals are over-rated.

[Appolonia24]

christina voice is not over-rated why should christina sing softly if her voice can do so much more?
christina has made songs where she sings soft and not loud, but christina just has a loud powerful voice and she loves to show it off there's nothing wrong with that she shouldn't have to be-little her talent to please haters!

[GeNieEntrapPed]

christina voice is not over-rated why should christina sing softly if her voice can do so much more?
christina has made songs where she sings soft and not loud, but christina just has a loud powerful voice and she loves to show it off there's nothing wrong with that she shouldn't have to be-little her talent to please haters!

she sounds more natural singing softer and lower though. :nc:

and i'd have to hear her "vision of love" for myself, because i have a hard time believing that she could handle that song when she had to drastically lower the key of whitney's "i have nothing" several years later.

[bl0ndxrebel]

Some of you people have issues..

Christina and Britney are two different entities, and both are amazing in their own way- personal lives aside.

The whole bashing between the two is childish.
If you don't like someone, move on and quit bringing it up and starting drama, it's simple.

[Diva4230]

There is footage of Christina singing Vision Of Love.. It's somewhere..

She did it for that talent show and no one wanted to go after her.

I will look for it.. Don't know if I'll find it..

[Appolonia24]

too me christina sounds good singing anything. lower,higher whatever she sings or how ever she sings just sounds good to me because she has a great voice!

[tiger_rascal]

Christinas vocals are painful to my ears. I suffer from migraines and I have sensitive hearing and I can not listen to a Christina song, I've tried. I sample all of her songs and the only one that I can tolerate is The Voice Within.

Its not about lyrics, its not about style, its about the vocals. And its odd, because I cant put my finger on what it is exactly. Its just painful.

[GeNieEntrapPed]

There is footage of Christina singing Vision Of Love.. It's somewhere..

She did it for that talent show and no one wanted to go after her.

I will look for it.. Don't know if I'll find it..

I know what you're talking about. It was on the E! Special. All it showed was her holding out the word "all"...it didn't show any of the extremely difficult parts.

[GeNieEntrapPed]

too me christina sounds good singing anything. lower,higher whatever she sings or how ever she sings just sounds good to me because she has a great voice!

eh, to me more subtle vocal performances suit her voice much better... the timbre is clearer, smoother, and you can actually understand what she's saying. when she starts getting loud or sings with a sharper tone, her diction goes out the window, and you can barely understand the lyrics. she sounds most natural and at ease in her understated vocal performances.

[GeNieEntrapPed]

Christinas vocals are painful to my ears. I suffer from migraines and I have sensitive hearing and I can not listen to a Christina song, I've tried. I sample all of her songs and the only one that I can tolerate is The Voice Within.

Its not about lyrics, its not about style, its about the vocals. And its odd, because I cant put my finger on what it is exactly. Its just painful.

This might explain it:

http://www.austin360.com/music/content/music/stories/xl/2006/09/28cover.html

They digitally jack up the volume of her vocals in the studio. There are several other artists listed that are guilty of it as well, but she's the only mainstream artist they cited...the others were all rock groups or hip hop artists. I've been saying they do that to her voice for a long time now, but no one believed me. It's the same in her live performances too...have you seen her microphone? It is GARGANTUAN.

[Appolonia24]

whatever christina can sing britney can't end of thread!

[tiger_rascal]

Oh my gosh, thats it! Thank you for that article! It makes so much sense now.

I think Christina has a unique voice and Im not saying she is a bad singer, but I knew there was something that my ears were not liking.

Now I dont feel crazy, my ears have been picking up on this stuff!

[tiger_rascal]

Britney doesnt hurt my ears.

I'll take Britney, thanks. :)

[Appolonia24]

britney sounds like a nasal baby when she sings of course she couldn,t hurt your ears.lol and i'm happy christina hurt your ears shows just how powerful her voice is go christina don't hurt'em!lol

[tiger_rascal]

Goes to show how studio manipulated Christina really is.

We already knew Britney was, but Christina.

[tiger_rascal]

I've got to show my sister, a Christina fan, that article, it explains a lot for me.

[daddyslittlegirl]

I cant stand Christinas vocals! I cant put my finger on it exactly, but its odd. Its like she screams and does not know how to control her voice. Maybe scream is not a good word for it, maybe she simply can not control the volume of her voice. And it sounds like she almost always sings in a low or deep tone, rather than singing softly and naturally.

I think her vocals are over-rated.
What about Save Me From Myself? She didn't scream on that song. What about GIAB?

[tiger_rascal]

Its not really screaming that gets me. Its the volume. And that article explains about what Im talking about, the loudness of the record.

And I dont like the vocal acrobatics either. Less is more and Christina over does it.

[GeNieEntrapPed]

ok, whoa. i don't think christina's vocals are manipulated quite to the extent that britney's are. not even close, lmfao. yeah, it's apparent now that they give her voice extra amp, and obviously some of her higher notes are digitally produced, but she can still sing in pitch and more or less retain the same QUALITY of her voice in live performances. they make britney sound like R2D2 (the thing in "star wars"? i think that's what it was called..) in the studio...it's not just in one range, either. :manson:

[tiger_rascal]

Oh dont get me wrong, I know Britney is a studio miracle, but I still like the end result.

Christina on the other hand is often claimed by her fans to be a more natural vocalist without much help in the studio, but the manipulation of the volume, loudness, of her record is making some peoples ears bleed. Will some of her fans be in denial, or call for a stop to this manipulation? Or will the hypocrisy never end?

[daddyslittlegirl]

And I dont like the vocal acrobatics either. Less is more and Christina over does it.

I agree I was just wondering if you heard Save Me From Myself. I think you would like that song :nod:

[Appolonia24]

sorry but christina can sing so they don't have to do much to make her sound good on record.
even when christina sings live she still has that volume and power to her voice and that's what i love, yes her voice sounds good when she sings soft ,but i prefer christina doing her crazy riffs and and your face vocals but anyway she sings i'm gonna love it anyways!

[tiger_rascal]

I just listened to a clip of Save Me From Myself, and from what I heard I liked it. :)

[daddyslittlegirl]

Cool :)

[John]

Oh dont get me wrong, I know Britney is a studio miracle, but I still like the end result.

Christina on the other hand is often claimed by her fans to be a more natural vocalist without much help in the studio, but the manipulation of the volume, loudness, of her record is making some peoples ears bleed. Will some of her fans be in denial, or call for a stop to this manipulation? Or will the hypocrisy never end?
Changing someone's tone, pitch, and voice all entirely is completely different from merely increasing a volume on a voice. I don't see even where you would begin to get the idea that those two changes were comparable.

I'm not being in denial - I'm aware Christina uses technology to sometimes enhance her vocals. But to put Christina's editing with Britney's editing is to compare two completely different things.

Well, anyway, whatever. :/

[GeNieEntrapPed]

when christina sings live she still has that volume and power to her voice

have you seen the size of her microphone though? it's freaking HUGE. those are the loudest ones there are; the huge vented silver ones.

and it's not just the volume they manipulate, it's the pitch as well. not in the sense that they need to correct the pitch because she's singing off-key (britney), but they clearly use a pitch SHIFTER sometimes, which digitally makes the note sound higher than it is. that's why the quality of those notes are so tinny and glossy sounding. and why she doesn't do them live.

[kristina]

Goes to show how studio manipulated Christina really is.

We already knew Britney was, but Christina.
Um, Christina actually sings live though. And we know for a majority of her songs she sounds the same as she does in the studio. And for the most part it has nothing to do with volume. Except on ANOM live.

[x Dirrty Diana x]

And we know for a majority of her songs she sounds the same as she does in the studio.

not really, cuz the majority of the time she strains, gets raspy, lowers the key, doges the note, or lips.

[kristina]

She still sounds the same. Her voice isn't digitally fixed into something it's not. Even when we see her recording Impossible and Makes Me Wanna Pray in the studio, that's exactly how we hear it when it's laid down on the record. And she doesn't strain or lower the key in every song, nor does she lip songs that she hasn't already proven she can sing live, with the debatable expection of Hurt. People never thought she could hit the an E5 in Fighter live, and she did on New Years'. People never thought she could hold the Candyman note, and she's hit it live countless times. She's an excellent live performer. Don't get all touchy because Britney couldn't hold a single note to save her life. :laugh: Have you seen her perform Everytime or Shadow???

[heavenwaits_22]

I saw her perform Everytime on SNL and that was beautiful. I saw her live at the OHT and she sang Shadow very good considering she just was dancing non-stop for 3 songs or whatever before it. She's not about hitting those high notes anyway. She has sung songs like FTBOMBH at the Grammys, and good morning america and she sounded flawless. Exactly like the record.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRlH3e4B2S8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFlR6ynzV2g

Someone just close this thread already. It's the same non-sense going back and forth.

[speedyforme]

the difference between them digitally is that you need a degree to save Britney's vocals

if you danced a lot, you should sound out of breath, not off-key

[Diva4230]

It's hard to watch Britney sing live.. She can't move unless it's coreographed.. She looks so stiff..

[Virgo]

She's not about hitting high notes because she can't.:roll: "She has an amazing voice.. I wish I had her voice." - Britney on 20/20 (?) talking about Xtina. Keep wishing.

[mordacis]

^link?

[ThoughtIKnewYou]

LOL britney croaked through Everytime on SNL like a bullfrog BEUATIFUL MY ARSE what choo talkin about????

[ghettoguy]

"I wish I had Christina's voice." Britney Spears on 20/20

[Diva4230]

I thought it was the Diane Sawyer interview she said that.. Isn't that the one where she sings a verse from "I Don't Care"

I could be wrong..

[Beutifulstranger]

whats "i dont care?"

[Diva4230]

whats "i dont care?"

The Judy Garland song she sang on Star Search..

[MO-Xtina]

Oh dont get me wrong, I know Britney is a studio miracle, but I still like the end result.

Christina on the other hand is often claimed by her fans to be a more natural vocalist without much help in the studio, but the manipulation of the volume, loudness, of her record is making some peoples ears bleed. Will some of her fans be in denial, or call for a stop to this manipulation? Or will the hypocrisy never end?

That's such a weak argument. That could be said for the entire industry. I saw a special on this a few years ago. They were talking to David Foster, who produced most of Celine and Whitney's records, and he said they do the same thing with them. It's simply used to make the product sound better (or so they thought) even though these singers are the best in the world. If you want to call it manipulation, go ahead, but it's unfair to single Christina out because it's convenient for your argument. She's proven herself enough and just because you personally aren't a fan of her voice doesn't give you anymore reason to justify Britney's poor singing voice. This is a case of someone who can sing and someone who clearly cannot.

[MO-Xtina]

Changing someone's tone, pitch, and voice all entirely is completely different from merely increasing a volume on a voice. I don't see even where you would begin to get the idea that those two changes were comparable.

I'm not being in denial - I'm aware Christina uses technology to sometimes enhance her vocals. But to put Christina's editing with Britney's editing is to compare two completely different things.

Well, anyway, whatever. :/

Exactly.

Basically all the article stated was they increase the volume to make the record sound better and how it takes away the singers dynamics. If anything Christina should be getting more credit because apparently her vocals aren't even fully displayed on record. That's not her doing, blame the engineers and the people who get paid to master these records. I can asure you they get paid a hell of a lot more for all the work they do for Britney because they're essentially creating a new singer. That's not the case with Christina; never has.

[Beutifulstranger]

The Judy Garland song she sang on Star Search..

oh... thanks

[kristina]

That's such a weak argument. That could be said for the entire industry. I saw a special on this a few years ago. They were talking to David Foster, who produced most of Celine and Whitney's records, and he said they do the same thing with them. It's simply used to make the product sound better (or so they thought) even though these singers are the best in the world. If you want to call it manipulation, go ahead, but it's unfair to single Christina out because it's convenient for your argument. She's proven herself enough and just because you personally aren't a fan of her voice doesn't give you anymore reason to justify Britney's poor singing voice. This is a case of someone who can sing and someone who clearly cannot.
Oh, snap! :music:

[tiger_rascal]

MO-Xtina, Im not singling Christina out. Im only adding to the Britney vs Christina discussion that you help fuel. Get over it. Dont want Christina brought up, dont mention her.

And no, its not about who can sing and who cant, that is all subjective. But if we are going to talk about studio manipulation like Britney is the offender and Christina is the angel, you're darn straight Im going to call you out on it. If Christina has such control over her music, control over her album, then why does she not demand that the volume, loudness, of her album not be cranked up to make peoples ears bleed?

[GeNieEntrapPed]

That's such a weak argument. That could be said for the entire industry. I saw a special on this a few years ago. They were talking to David Foster, who produced most of Celine and Whitney's records, and he said they do the same thing with them. It's simply used to make the product sound better (or so they thought) even though these singers are the best in the world. If you want to call it manipulation, go ahead, but it's unfair to single Christina out because it's convenient for your argument. She's proven herself enough and just because you personally aren't a fan of her voice doesn't give you anymore reason to justify Britney's poor singing voice. This is a case of someone who can sing and someone who clearly cannot.

Really? I don't hear it in Whitney or Celine records at all. In fact, whenever they show footage of Celine recording in the studio, her voice sounds a hundred times louder than it does on the final track.

and I think Christina wants it that way. Why else would she use that microphone in live performances? People who don't know any better are so impressed by the fact that she can yank that gigantic mic out a foot from her mouth and still be heard.

[MO-Xtina]

MO-Xtina, Im not singling Christina out. Im only adding to the Britney vs Christina discussion that you help fuel. Get over it. Dont want Christina brought up, dont mention her.

And no, its not about who can sing and who cant, that is all subjective. But if we are going to talk about studio manipulation like Britney is the offender and Christina is the angel, you're darn straight Im going to call you out on it. If Christina has such control over her music, control over her album, then why does she not demand that the volume, loudness, of her album not be cranked up to make peoples ears bleed?


I love Britney vs Christina discussions so don't turn this around on me like I can't handle the heat when you're the one making excuses and trying to justify Britney's shortcomings. Britney is created in the studio. Christina is helped. How is that even comparable? She's one of few real singers left in the industry, yet you single her out? It just makes your argument very desperate and weak.

[tiger_rascal]

How have I singled her out? Just because I made the statement that there was something odd about her vocals that hurt my ears? And then someone posted a very interesting article that explained why her music may be hurting my ears, so it all made sense.

Christinas music is being manipulated and its hurting some peoples ears. Get over it.

Im just shocked that Christina, the fan-proclaimed "legend", is allowing her music to be manipulated to the point of it being painful to the ears.

[MO-Xtina]

Really? I don't hear it in Whitney or Celine records at all. In fact, whenever they show footage of Celine recording in the studio, her voice sounds a hundred times louder than it does on the final track.

and I think Christina wants it that way. Why else would she use that microphone in live performances? People who don't know any better are so impressed by the fact that she can yank that gigantic mic out a foot from her mouth and still be heard.

Maybe Christina does want it that way, who knows. Actually, who cares. Christina can sing. All the volume in the world still won't make Britney a better singer.

[GeNieEntrapPed]

Maybe Christina does want it that way, who knows. Actually, who cares. Christina can sing. All the volume in the world still won't make Britney a better singer.

I know. I wasn't arguing on Britney's behalf here, I hope you didn't get that impression, lol.

[MO-Xtina]

Goes to show how studio manipulated Christina really is.

We already knew Britney was, but Christina.

If that's not singling out then I don't know what is.

You implied that Christina was just as reliant on studio enhancements as Britney when we all know that couldn't be further from the truth. Quit playing dumb, rascal.

[tiger_rascal]

So are you denying what that article had to say about certain albums, one of them being Christinas B2B?

And of course Im talking about Christina in a Britney/Christina thread, who else am I supposed to be talking about. :roll:

My mention of Christina is completely relevant to the discussion at hand.

[MO-Xtina]

So are you denying what that article had to say about certain albums, one of them being Christinas B2B?

And of course Im talking about Christina in a Britney/Christina thread, who else am I supposed to be talking about. :roll:

My mention of Christina is completely relevant to the discussion at hand.

No, the article stated those albums are increased in volume. Nothing more. Therefore there is nothing to deny. Christina is not a studio creation like Britney. You should make that clear next time you try to make a point otherwise it seems like you're trying to justify Britney's lack of talent.

[Back2Basix]

Really? I don't hear it in Whitney or Celine records at all. In fact, whenever they show footage of Celine recording in the studio, her voice sounds a hundred times louder than it does on the final track.

and I think Christina wants it that way. Why else would she use that microphone in live performances? People who don't know any better are so impressed by the fact that she can yank that gigantic mic out a foot from her mouth and still be heard.
I thought you would start typing: Candyman, TRM, Beautiful, etc. Bish you let me down :o .

[GeNieEntrapPed]

I thought you would start typing: Candyman, TRM, Beautiful, etc. Bish you let me down :o .

If I was going to mention those, it would have been when I was talking about the application of pitch shifters.

[tiger_rascal]

No, the article stated those albums are increased in volume. Nothing more. Therefore there is nothing to deny. Christina is not a studio creation like Britney.

I still stand by my statement. You made assumptions.

Britney and Christina both have music that has been manipulated in the studio. And that manipulation is aimed at making the music more appealing.

Its not that complicated. ;)

[MO-Xtina]

I still stand by my statement. You made assumptions.

Britney and Christina both have music that has been manipulated in the studio. And that manipulation is aimed at making the music more appealing.

Its not that complicated. ;)

Paint it however you want, still doesn't change the result. :wink:

[mordacis]

i love that a christina-thread is what getting most posts at a britney-board....remember who started this thread! :susp:

[tiger_rascal]

I love that you have Britney on your desktop. :roll:

[John]

I still stand by my statement. You made assumptions.

Britney and Christina both have music that has been manipulated in the studio. And that manipulation is aimed at making the music more appealing.

Its not that complicated. ;)
Yeah, they both have music that has been manipulated, but that's where the comparisons end. It's the degree of manipulations, the types of manipulations, and the need of such manipulations that creates the difference.

You even said so yourself that SMFM was okay or tolerable, in other words. People think SMFM showcases Christina's voice phenomenally, and fans believe that SMFM is one of her best songs ever. You'll even see SMFM mentioned a few times in a thread on Christina's best studio vocals. Clearly, Christina - sans effects - can still produced the same effect (if not better) as with effects can.

Look at it this way:

Person A paints a painting with beautiful colors, vivid imagery, and intense detail. An expert then glosses over it with some oil to create a more shiny effect.

Person B is five years old and dabs a booger onto a canvas. An expert then comes over, paints a whole new picture, and then flicks the booger off of the canvas.

They both had help, yes. But still. Can you even compare the two?

[Back2Basix]

If I was going to mention those, it would have been when I was talking about the application of pitch shifters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyVlsPWfSEQ&mode=related&search=

Listen to that ^^^. just.dead.

[tiger_rascal]

Yeah, they both have music that has been manipulated, but that's where the comparisons end. It's the degree of manipulations, the types of manipulations, and the need of such manipulations that creates the difference.

Yes, but the problem I have is that Britneys manipulations actually make her music sound decent, whereas the manipulations Christina had makes the music sound painful, at least to my ears.

Why even bother? Is she even aware of this type of manipulation?

[GeNieEntrapPed]

Is she even aware of this type of manipulation?

Of course she is. It's most likely her call. Supposedly she's very demanding of the audio technicians when she's recording, and we got to see it firsthand during the studio session of "A Song For You," in which she explicitly told them to add MORE reverb and to crank the volume up higher. It's by choice. That's why it's the same case live, only in the form of an overamplified microphone. But it's not doing anything to her voice other than making it unnaturally loud. It's really not comparable to what they do to Britney.

[John]

Yes, but the problem I have is that Britneys manipulations actually make her music sound decent, whereas the manipulations Christina had makes the music sound painful, at least to my ears.

Why even bother? Is she even aware of this type of manipulation?
I can understand that, and I respect your opinion. But I'm just saying that comparing Britney's manipulation with Christina's isn't justified. Even if we look at your point of view, it's like comparing an increase with a decrease. It's not very fair. :p

I think Christina is aware of that type, and she likes it. She likes her voice to soar through the tracks, and people don't really like that kind of loudness. But I do, and fans alike do as well. So, I guess it kind of works.

:p

I mean, she's still in the business, right?

[GeNieEntrapPed]

The artificial loudness actually doesn't even bother me as much as the obvious pitch shifting in certain songs. I think there's a certain measure of dishonesty involved there.

[tiger_rascal]

Alright, fair enough. I concede.

There really is a major difference between the two of them, but I respect them both.

Im listening to The Voice Within. I love this song so much! :love: The video is good too. Is it just me, or does she look amazing with dark hair!

I just wish that Christina would not use that effect so much on her next album so that people like me can bare to listen to it.

[speedyforme]

I agree the loudness is not my true liking as on B2B is got a bit out of hand, I just hope it's obvious that one makes it louder, the other is almost an entirely new voice...

I love Christina singing loudly but I don't like the really loud effect, for example SLOW DOWN BABY and UNDERSTAND are too loud for me

[John]

Alright, fair enough. I concede.

There really is a major difference between the two of them, but I respect them both.

Im listening to The Voice Within. I love this song so much! :love: The video is good too. Is it just me, or does she look amazing with dark hair!

I just wish that Christina would not use that effect so much on her next album so that people like me can bare to listen to it.
Agreed.

[ghettoguy]

The artificial loudness actually doesn't even bother me as much as the obvious pitch shifting in certain songs. I think there's a certain measure of dishonesty involved there.
If I sang in a 20,000 seat stadium every night I would want the loudest mic too.

[kristina]

MO-Xtina, Im not singling Christina out. Im only adding to the Britney vs Christina discussion that you help fuel. Get over it. Dont want Christina brought up, dont mention her.

And no, its not about who can sing and who cant, that is all subjective. But if we are going to talk about studio manipulation like Britney is the offender and Christina is the angel, you're darn straight Im going to call you out on it. If Christina has such control over her music, control over her album, then why does she not demand that the volume, loudness, of her album not be cranked up to make peoples ears bleed?
Since you're a mod, shouldn't the biggest instigator on LD (Dirrty Diana) be banned for this?

[kristina]

Yeah, they both have music that has been manipulated, but that's where the comparisons end. It's the degree of manipulations, the types of manipulations, and the need of such manipulations that creates the difference.

You even said so yourself that SMFM was okay or tolerable, in other words. People think SMFM showcases Christina's voice phenomenally, and fans believe that SMFM is one of her best songs ever. You'll even see SMFM mentioned a few times in a thread on Christina's best studio vocals. Clearly, Christina - sans effects - can still produced the same effect (if not better) as with effects can.

Look at it this way:

Person A paints a painting with beautiful colors, vivid imagery, and intense detail. An expert then glosses over it with some oil to create a more shiny effect.

Person B is five years old and dabs a booger onto a canvas. An expert then comes over, paints a whole new picture, and then flicks the booger off of the canvas.

They both had help, yes. But still. Can you even compare the two?
:roll:

[tiger_rascal]

Since you're a mod, shouldn't the biggest instigator on LD (Dirrty Diana) be banned for this?

Im not a mod.

And why should she be banned? If Im not mistaken its the "other" forum that cant seem to discuss Britney, obviously for childish reasons.

[kristina]

Im not a mod.

And why should she be banned? If Im not mistaken its the "other" forum that cant seem to discuss Britney, obviously for childish reasons.
I don't think anyone is more childish than her. :nc:

If you're not a mod, why is your name in bold? Or am I seeing things? :susp2:

[tiger_rascal]

Im special. ;)

[HighHeeledHO]

Oh my gosh, thats it! Thank you for that article! It makes so much sense now.

I think Christina has a unique voice and Im not saying she is a bad singer, but I knew there was something that my ears were not liking.

Now I dont feel crazy, my ears have been picking up on this stuff!
ZOMG I have something to bitch and moan for another 8 pages :blueeek:

[GeNieEntrapPed]

shouldn't the biggest instigator on LD (Dirrty Diana) be banned for this?

She's sexy.

[kristina]

She's sexy.
Lez.

She's ****ing annoying.

[GeNieEntrapPed]

You're just pissed because her paw patties are perkier than yours! :hat:

[ghettoguy]

But wouldnt you want the loudest mic in 20,000 seat stadiums everynight?

[Virgo]

Dirrty Diana is a he. His name is David aka a permabanned troll.hehe I put yo business out.:p

[Back2Basix]

But wouldnt you want the loudest mic in 20,000 seat stadiums everynight?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvkPjYAgZnk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V27Tmru4wPo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZzb_PtXEyE

Happy now???

[GeNieEntrapPed]

But wouldnt you want the loudest mic in 20,000 seat stadiums everynight?

It's not just in concert. It's on her televized performances too. AND the same thing is being done digitally in the studio. She obviously just wants people to think that her voice packs a LOT more volume than it naturally does.

[MO-Xtina]

It's not just in concert. It's on her televized performances too. AND the same thing is being done digitally in the studio. She obviously just wants people to think that her voice packs a LOT more volume than it naturally does.

The article you posted never once stated that Christina increases the volume to make her sound louder. Where are you getting this from? They were talking about the volume of the record as a whole, which is the engineers fault. Also many singers choose to use different mics depending on what sounds better to them. Maybe Christina does like to sound louder, but you have no factual proof of that. Just because her mic is "bigger" doesnt prove anything.

[tiger_rascal]

For me, once something gets to a certain level of loudness its no longer music, but noise.

[xtinarunner]

LMAO @ this thread! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[GeNieEntrapPed]

The article you posted never once stated that Christina increases the volume to make her sound louder. Where are you getting this from? They were talking about the volume of the record as a whole, which is the engineers fault. Also many singers choose to use different mics depending on what sounds better to them. Maybe Christina does like to sound louder, but you have no factual proof of that. Just because her mic is "bigger" doesnt prove anything.

I know that the TYPE of mic she uses (the huge vented silver one) picks up sound better than any other though. It's also really obvious even when she's not singing anything remotely loud...like when she sang "Hurt" at the VMA's, even the soft falsetto parts (especially the one going into the first chorus) had this unnatural force to them.

and you're right, the article didn't explicitly mention that she does it for the sole purpose of making people believe that she's louder than she really is, that was just my own personal connotation.

I could see if she had this really weak voice or something, but it's entirely unnecessary for her to be THAT amped up imo.

[xtinarunner]

LMAO @ my thread getting closed yet this one stays open...the mods really are something :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:

everyone needs to realize CHRISTINA OWNS ALL...SHE IS A LEGEND. THE END! :laugh:

[heavenwaits_22]

LMAO @ my thread getting closed yet this one stays open...the mods really are something :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:

everyone needs to realize CHRISTINA OWNS ALL...SHE IS A LEGEND. THE END! :laugh:rofl omg you're insane. Go back to SBUK. Just because none of those people post here doesn't mean you can bash Britney here, and then go there and act like her fan.

Who does Christina actually own anyway? Because she has always been in someone's shadow when she has something out.

[ghettoguy]

She owns this

http://x17online.com/BSPEARSPOLICE091807_005.jpg

[tiger_rascal]

Eww, why would Christina want to own the same jacket and glasses?

[speedyforme]

I think I see ROSIE there

[xtinarunner]

rofl omg you're insane. Go back to SBUK. Just because none of those people post here doesn't mean you can bash Britney here, and then go there and act like her fan.

Who does Christina actually own anyway? Because she has always been in someone's shadow when she has something out.

CHRISTINA OWNS YOU...I did not mention the name Britney...I like Britney and Christina...you on the other hand are so threatened by my comments that you automatically assume that I'm referring to Britney. Btw they all know I post over here so stfu and get a life CRYSTAL SKY/BRITNEY ROCKS :funny: :funny: :funny:

[xtinarunner]

rofl omg you're insane. Go back to SBUK. Just because none of those people post here doesn't mean you can bash Britney here, and then go there and act like her fan.

Who does Christina actually own anyway? Because she has always been in someone's shadow when she has something out.

oh and one more thing...no one over there LIKES YOU or CARES ABOUT YOUR POSTS so do us all a favor and stop posting there and stop "pretending" you are a Christina fan over there because we all know you are not, all you do is bash her every chance you get...btw you are going to get banned soon anyway so you might as well leave before that happens (and if you don't believe me keep posting there) :love: :love: :love:

[Princess Serenity]

The article you posted never once stated that Christina increases the volume to make her sound louder. Where are you getting this from? They were talking about the volume of the record as a whole, which is the engineers fault. Also many singers choose to use different mics depending on what sounds better to them. Maybe Christina does like to sound louder, but you have no factual proof of that. Just because her mic is "bigger" doesnt prove anything.

Exactly :laugh: If you increase the overall loudness of an already balanced song, the music is gonna get louder too :scratch: It's not going to make her voice actually sound any bigger.

[jade.]

rofl omg you're insane. Go back to SBUK. Just because none of those people post here doesn't mean you can bash Britney here, and then go there and act like her fan.

Who does Christina actually own anyway? Because she has always been in someone's shadow when she has something out.
Now you're just beginning to sound like that troll. :crazy:

[ghettoguy]

Exactly :laugh: If you increase the overall loudness of an already balanced song, the music is gonna get louder too :scratch: It's not going to make her voice actually sound any bigger.

Yeah,I didnt get that ethier.

[Back2Basix]

They increase the volume of THE VOCALS not the instrumental. damn people you can't be THAT DUMB. i mean hello, TRM?!?!?!?

[MO-Xtina]

I could see if she had this really weak voice or something, but it's entirely unnecessary for her to be THAT amped up imo.

Which is why your theory doesn't make any sense. It's obvious Christina is already a loud singer, so what would be the point in increasing the volume for the sole purpose of making her voice even louder than it already is? :scratch: It just doesn't add up and honestly it seems like a desperate way to discredit her abilities, once again.

[MO-Xtina]

They increase the volume of THE VOCALS not the instrumental. damn people you can't be THAT DUMB. i mean hello, TRM?!?!?!?

The article clearly states it increases the volume of the entire record, not just the vocals.. so now who's dumb? Keep up, buddy!

Everything else you said regarding TRM is just an opinion. You have no factual proof that they increase the volume of her voice. Not sure why they would need to do that anyways. Until someone can give me an entirely legit reason why maybe then I'd consider it, but so far the only reason that's been given is she wants to be louder than she already is. :crazy:

[x Dirrty Diana x]

she wants to be louder than she actually is.

fixed

[tommyboy612]

I just dont understand how this is a arguement still.

FACT Christina whether you like her tone or not is one of the best singers in pop music. Brit is the worst.

She is the ONLY singer right now besides the socialites and Cassie that can NOT sing live. When she does it sounds HORRIBLE and if you think otherwise hey...you odviously have low standerds. The day I hear her get praised for her singing from someone who matters will be the day pigs fly!

On that note I will say she is, excluding her year of slandering herself, a great performer!

For those who think Christina gets overshadowed by the stars who are always in the tabloid because they dont want to just sell their talent but themself as a product...maybe you shouldn't be nieve because her talent has NEVER been overshadowed!

[speedyforme]

I just dont understand how this is a arguement still.

FACT Christina whether you like her tone or not is one of the best singers in pop music. Brit is the worst.

She is the ONLY singer right now besides the socialites and Cassie that can NOT sing live. When she does it sounds HORRIBLE and if you think otherwise hey...you odviously have low standerds. The day I hear her get praised for her singing from someone who matters will be the day pigs fly!

On that note I will say she is, excluding her year of slandering herself, a great performer!

For those who think Christina gets overshadowed by the stars who are always in the tabloid because they dont want to just sell their talent but themself as a product...maybe you shouldn't be nieve because her talent has NEVER been overshadowed!
PREACH! :love:

[tommyboy612]

oh yea...its been said many times that when shes doing vocal warm ups she EXTREAMLY loud so she desnt need to make her voice any louder.

[x Dirrty Diana x]

They increase the volume of THE VOCALS not the instrumental. damn people you can't be THAT DUMB. i mean hello, TRM?!?!?!?
lol this is LD ur talking about. they think xtina is in the same league as Mariah and Whitney in their primes:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[x Dirrty Diana x]

oh yea...its been said many times that when shes doing vocal warm ups she EXTREAMLY loud so she desnt need to make her voice any louder.

it's also been said she has a 5 octave range, what's ur point?:nc:

[GeNieEntrapPed]

Which is why your theory doesn't make any sense. It's obvious Christina is already a loud singer, so what would be the point in increasing the volume for the sole purpose of making her voice even louder than it already is? :scratch: It just doesn't add up and honestly it seems like a desperate way to discredit her abilities, once again.

Because it makes her voice sound more "powerhouse" than it naturally is. Her voice was never that "loud" when she first came out, or during the promotion of the Stripped era. She used to pull the microphone a few inches away from her mouth, and her voice would totally disappear. Then all of a sudden she starts using this huge-ass mic, and she can pull it a foot away from her mouth and still be heard? Like I said, I think it's to give the impression that her voice is much bigger than it actually is. I can't see any other reason why it would be done.

oh yea...its been said many times that when shes doing vocal warm ups she EXTREAMLY loud so she desnt need to make her voice any louder.

Source? Cuz I've NEVER seen that before, and I honestly find it very hard to believe considering that we've heard her do vocal warmups before. Are you sure you aren't just shooting the old bull again? :p

[GeNieEntrapPed]

Exactly :laugh: If you increase the overall loudness of an already balanced song, the music is gonna get louder too :scratch: It's not going to make her voice actually sound any bigger.

Yes it is. :laugh:

If you go into sound recorder, record a clip of a song, and then hit the "increase volume" option, you'll be astounded by how much LOUDER and thicker it makes the vocals sound. Yeah, the instrumental gets louder too, but it's not going to hit as hard as the voice does.

and regardless, you seem to just be assuming that it was already balanced to begin with. How do you know that? I'm basing my points on what I HEAR. Her voice sounds VERY overamped, not like the sheer force of just a naturally very powerful voice.

[Back2Basix]

The article clearly states it increases the volume of the entire record, not just the vocals.. so now who's dumb? Keep up, buddy!

Everything else you said regarding TRM is just an opinion. You have no factual proof that they increase the volume of her voice. Not sure why they would need to do that anyways. Until someone can give me an entirely legit reason why maybe then I'd consider it, but so far the only reason that's been given is she wants to be louder than she already is. :crazy:
Damn you must be really deaf, or plain stupid actually. Someone with actually an ok ear can tell the difference between an amped mic and a really loud singer, the sound is COMPLETELY different, you can hear the artificial thing in it, while when it's the voice itself that is loud it's natural, IE Patti or Celine.

[Back2Basix]

Because it makes her voice sound more "powerhouse" than it naturally is. Her voice was never that "loud" when she first came out, or during the promotion of the Stripped era. She used to pull the microphone a few inches away from her mouth, and her voice would totally disappear. Then all of a sudden she starts using this huge-ass mic, and she can pull it a foot away from her mouth and still be heard? Like I said, I think it's to give the impression that her voice is much bigger than it actually is. I can't see any other reason why it would be done.

Add to that her almost inexistent projection and it pretty much proves the amped mic.

[MO-Xtina]

Because it makes her voice sound more "powerhouse" than it naturally is. Her voice was never that "loud" when she first came out, or during the promotion of the Stripped era. She used to pull the microphone a few inches away from her mouth, and her voice would totally disappear. Then all of a sudden she starts using this huge-ass mic, and she can pull it a foot away from her mouth and still be heard? Like I said, I think it's to give the impression that her voice is much bigger than it actually is. I can't see any other reason why it would be done.

You can't see any other reason why it would be done because there probably is no reason, hence it's not true. She was a powerhouse to begin with, which is why this debate is so silly. I'll just agree to disagree.

[GeNieEntrapPed]

Add to that her almost inexistent projection and it pretty much proves the amped mic.

Eh. She does give her notes a lot of support though, which is why the tone is very open, and also why she can kinda get away with her less than stellar technique at times.

[GeNieEntrapPed]

You can't see any other reason why it would be done because there probably is no reason, hence it's not true. She was a powerhouse to begin with, which is why this debate is so silly. I'll just agree to disagree.

It's definitely true (in studio and live), and it couldn't be any more obvious, but ok. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. :)

[Back2Basix]

Eh. She does give her notes a lot of support though, which is why the tone is very open, and also why she can kinda get away with her less than stellar technique at times.
You've heard the candyman note live, that's not projection, that's, i don't even know how to call it.

[GeNieEntrapPed]

You've heard the candyman note live, that's not projection, that's, i don't even know how to call it.

That's different. She just can't hold the note. Her notes under D, she generally projects well, at least in terms of BREATH support. They wouldn't be that full if she didn't.

[MO-Xtina]

Damn you must be really deaf, or plain stupid actually. Someone with actually an ok ear can tell the difference between an amped mic and a really loud singer, the sound is COMPLETELY different, you can hear the artificial thing in it, while when it's the voice itself that is loud it's natural, IE Patti or Celine.

The fact that you have to call me stupid because I don't think she's purposely making her voice louder is not only sad, but a reflection of your insecurities. She's still recognized as one of the best singers in the world and you and your insignificant accusations can't do anything about it. Mad? :laugh:

[Back2Basix]

The fact that you have to call me stupid because I don't think she's purposely making her voice louder is not only sad, but a reflection of your insecurities. She's still recognized as one of the best singers in the world and you and your insignificant accusations can't do anything about it. Mad? :laugh:
The fact that you try to deny something that is more than obvious with nothing but dumb points with no explanations that sustain them makes you one.

[tommyboy612]

Source? Cuz I've NEVER seen that before, and I honestly find it very hard to believe considering that we've heard her do vocal warmups before. Are you sure you aren't just shooting the old bull again? :p

No Im serious. lol what bull do I shoot?:scratch:

Brandy said it after the VMA's it was on mtv news a couple years back.

I also recall some reports that her neighbors would hear her doing vocal warm ups but that was on like pop dirt or something so thats not as

[MO-Xtina]

The fact that you try to deny something that is more than obvious with nothing but dumb points with no explanations that sustain them makes you one.

And what exactly are your points? The explanations you guys have given are obviously not convincing enough because they're just opinions that are not factually proven. You and Mel haven't proven ANYTHING. It's so cute that you think you have though. :noway:

[GeNieEntrapPed]

And what exactly are your points? The explanations you guys have given are obviously not convincing enough because they're just opinions that are not factually proven. You and Mel haven't proven ANYTHING. It's so cute that you think you have though. :noway:

It's common sense, there's really not much proof needed.

and I already pointed out that it's a FACT that the type of microphone she uses picks up sound better than any other kind there is. I don't know why it's so hard to believe, especially when she can get away with pulling it out almost a foot, whereas whenever she uses the standard sized black one, her voice tends to fade when she moves it just a couple of inches away from her mouth.

[MO-Xtina]

It's common sense, there's really not much proof needed.

and I already pointed out that it's a FACT that the type of microphone she uses picks up sound better than any other kind there is. I don't know why it's so hard to believe, especially when she can get away with pulling it out almost a foot, whereas whenever she uses the standard sized black one, her voice tends to fade when she moves it just a couple of inches away from her mouth.

It's also common sense that she's been a powerhouse since the beginning. She was always loud, so why would she suddenly want to be louder? :scratch: Here's an early performance WITH a standard black mic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYQp72qsGOQ

She sounds just as loud, if not more, than she does now. I can post many more videos to prove otherwise too, so again what other factual proof do you have because I just disputed your whole mic theory.

[GeNieEntrapPed]

She sounds just as loud, if not more, than she does now. I can post many more videos to prove otherwise too, so again what other factual proof do you have because I just disputed your whole mic theory.

You didn't dispute anything, because a) that doesn't come even remotely CLOSE to the artificial "loudness" that I've been hearing ever since the Stripped tour. and b) she was essentially EATING the microphone throughout that entire performance, not pulling it 43589543894389 feet away like she does today.

and I thought she always had a relatively heavy voice, but I never considered her extraordinarily "loud."

[GeNieEntrapPed]

I mean, COME on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgyndEMbICI

The damn thing is getting crackily when she's singing in a soft falsetto. It sounds like she's singing through a megaphone. "All Right Now" sounded NOTHING like that.

and here she sounds normal:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3PiJs0-c-J8

[jimmyboy]

LMAO @ my thread getting closed yet this one stays open...the mods really are something :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:

everyone needs to realize CHRISTINA OWNS ALL...SHE IS A LEGEND. THE END! :laugh:
You stilll alive? :eek:

[roacheskiltmyfam]

and I already pointed out that it's a FACT that the type of microphone she uses picks up sound better than any other kind there is.


Hmmmm interesting....what kind of mic is it?

[GeNieEntrapPed]

Hmmmm interesting....what kind of mic is it?

Like the name of the company that manufactures them? :scratch: I have no idea, I just know it as the huge mic with the vented silver part. It actually doesn't NEED to be silver (obviously there's no correlation between the color of the mic and its volume), but the ones that have the gigantic vented part are the most sound sensitive.

[MO-Xtina]

I mean, COME on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgyndEMbICI

The damn thing is getting crackily when she's singing in a soft falsetto. It sounds like she's singing through a megaphone. "All Right Now" sounded NOTHING like that.

It's easy to pick and choose performances that compliment your argument. I can do the same thing. See?

and here she sounds normal:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3PiJs0-c-J8

Why is it she sounds "normal" on that performance yet sounds "louder" on this one, which is clearly the same mic on the same exact song?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WIoPIBl_1Cg&mode=related&search=

She doesn't have any special oversized mic to magically make her sound louder, so how do you explain that one? Or how about this performance where she DOES have this so called "special" mic yet she sounds, as you put it, "normal"?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YM1p7nisnIo

You have to realize just like the engineers who mix her albums she has engineers (ie: sound guys) who essentially do the same thing for her performances. They set up things according to the venue she's singing at, the acoustics in that venue and how it meshes with the band and/or instrumental track. Every venue's acoustics will sound different therefore her voice may sound different for each performance, which is why it's easy to pick and choose whatever performance we want to compliment our argument. Again, this is why I find this so silly because you have no factual proof to say otherwise. There's so much more to it than just "Christina wanting to sound louder for the sake of sounding louder." For every point you try to make I can easily dispute it and if that's possible chances are you're probably wrong.

[GeNieEntrapPed]

It's easy to pick and choose performances that compliment your argument. I can do the same thing. See?



Why is it she sounds "normal" on that performance yet sounds "louder" on this one, which is clearly the same mic on the same exact song?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WIoPIBl_1Cg&mode=related&search=

She doesn't have any special oversized mic to magically make her sound louder, so how do you explain that one? Or how about this performance where she DOES have this so called "special" mic yet she sounds, as you put it, "normal"?

Again, this is why I find this so silly because you have no factual proof to say otherwise. There's so much more to it than just "Christina wanting to sound louder for the sake of sounding louder." For every point you try to make I can easily dispute it and if that's possible chances are you're probably wrong.

She sounds normal in the performance you posted as well, so that's just another point added to my side of the argument. Thank you. Yes, she SANG a bit louder in that performance, but it was not anywhere even NEAR the heights of that "Hurt" performance I posted above. Comparing those two performances side by side, the difference between the natural force of her voice and an electronically implemented BOOST to the natural force of her voice should be abundantly obvious. If you can't hear it, then I don't know what else to say.

Again, I don't NEED "factual proof," just the good old virtue of common sense. I know that the microphone she uses is the most sound sensitive, and she just so happens to sound UNNATURALLY loud whenever she's using it. That is how I derive my conclusion. You don't always need stone cold proof in order to give credence to your claims, sometimes just simply knowing how to put two and two together will suffice, ie. logic. And it most certainly does in my case.

You don't seem to realize that you have yet to dispute a single point that I've made. You've only confirmed each and every single one of them. The two performances you posted did absolutely nothing to contest what I was originally arguing. In fact, it just cemented it.

What you said about the venue thing is very true. But what I'm talking about has a very distinct quality to it, which you obviously don't hear. Sure, you can post other performances in which she sang mildly loud or whatever WITHOUT that microphone, but it still sounds completely different. Again, "All Right Now" vs. the "Hurt" performance I posted (and there are plenty more where that came from).

[MO-Xtina]

She sounds normal in the performance you posted as well, so that's just another point added to my side of the argument. Thank you. Yes, she SANG a bit louder in that performance, but it was not anywhere even NEAR the heights of that "Hurt" performance I posted above. Comparing those two performances side by side, the difference between the natural force of her voice and an electronically implemented BOOST to the natural force of her voice should be abundantly obvious. If you can't hear it, then I don't know what else to say.

Again, I don't NEED "factual proof," just the good old virtue of common sense. I know that the microphone she uses is the most sound sensitive, and she just so happens to sound UNNATURALLY loud whenever she's using it. That is how I derive my conclusion. You don't always need stone cold proof in order to give credence to your claims, sometimes just simply knowing how to put two and two together will suffice. And it most certainly does in my case.

You don't seem to realize that you have yet to dispute a single point that I've made. You've only confirmed each and every single one of them. The two performances you posted did absolutely nothing to contest what I was originally arguing. In fact, it just cemented it.

What you said about the venue thing is very true. But what I'm talking about has a very distinct quality to it, which you obviously don't hear. Sure, you can post other performances in which she sang mildly loud or whatever WITHOUT that microphone, but it still sounds completely different. Again, "All Right Now" vs. the "Hurt" performance I posted (and there are plenty more where that came from).

LMAO. Unbelievable.

Like I said before, agree to disagree. We're both set in our opinions and it appears nothing will change them. I just think it's sad that you're always so desperate to discredit her as a vocalist, in whatever way possible, especially with this ridiculous theory of yours. Do you honestly believe her "allegedly" raising the volume takes away the fact that she can sing and is still one of the louder singers out there? I mean, before you called it a "manipulation" of some sort. :crazy: It's just unbelievable to me.

[GeNieEntrapPed]

Do you honestly believe her allegedly raising the volume takes away the fact that she can sing and is still one of the louder singers out there? I mean, before you called it a "manipulation" of some sort. :crazy: It's just unbelievable to me.

No, I don't, and didn't I already dismiss that earlier in this thread when that tiger rascal guy tried to imply that her voice is just as much of a studio manipulation as Britney's? LOL, whenever I go out on a limb to sort of defend Christina, it ALWAYS falls on deaf ears. I explicitly said that all it's doing is making her voice unnaturally LOUDER than it is, it doesn't radically change the innate quality of her voice. What I called a "manipulation" before was the use of pitch shifters...which it is.

[MO-Xtina]

No, I don't, and didn't I already dismiss that earlier in this thread when that tiger rascal guy tried to imply that her voice is just as much of a studio manipulation as Britney's? LOL, whenever I go out on a limb to sort of defend Christina, it ALWAYS falls on deaf ears. I explicitly said that all it's doing is making her voice unnaturally LOUDER than it is, it doesn't radically change the innate quality of her voice. What I called a "manipulation" before was the use of pitch shifters...which it is.

Nobody needs to defend that point though. It's obvious to the entire universe that Christina isn't a studio manipulated creation like Britney Spears, that's why your efforts to defend her always fall on deaf ears. They're worthless.

When the volume of Christina's records were questioned you were the first to jump at the opportunity to discredit her. That article you posted was accurate (that's what I'm talking about by proof, btw) regarding the album, but you somehow twisted it around and pointed the finger at Christina's voice, as if she was responsible for making her voice louder when that wasn't even the point of the article. They weren't talking about voices, they were talking about albums. Funny how that got twisted around, but expected from someone who always tries to discredit her. Anyways, I'm tired. Goodnight.

[Awwbri]

what a sad person you are, go get laid or something.

thank you:]

[GeNieEntrapPed]

Nobody needs to defend that point though. It's obvious to the entire universe that Christina isn't a studio manipulated creation like Britney Spears, that's why your efforts to defend her always fall on deaf ears. They're worthless.

When the volume of Christina's records were questioned you were the first to jump at the opportunity to discredit her. That article you posted was accurate (that's what I'm talking about by proof, btw) regarding the album, but you somehow twisted it around and pointed the finger at Christina's voice, as if she was responsible for making her voice louder when that wasn't even the point of the article. They weren't talking about voices, they were talking about albums. Funny how that got twisted around, but expected from someone who always tries to discredit her. :]

I know what you meant regarding concrete "proof," but like I said...it just WASN'T needed in my argument. Common sense should have been more than enough for anyone with a rational mind.

They were talking about increasing the volume of the tracks as a whole, which obviously includes the vocals, perhaps in certain cases, ONLY the vocals. That's something that can't be proven on either end. But whatever. I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you on this anymore. You go on with your line of reasoning, I'll go on with mine. The end.

[Chi^_^]

Nobody needs to defend that point though. It's obvious to the entire universe that Christina isn't a studio manipulated creation like Britney Spears, that's why your efforts to defend her always fall on deaf ears. They're worthless.

When the volume of Christina's records were questioned you were the first to jump at the opportunity to discredit her. That article you posted was accurate (that's what I'm talking about by proof, btw) regarding the album, but you somehow twisted it around and pointed the finger at Christina's voice, as if she was responsible for making her voice louder when that wasn't even the point of the article. They weren't talking about voices, they were talking about albums. Funny how that got twisted around, but expected from someone who always tries to discredit her. Anyways, I'm tired. Goodnight.

Didn't seem that way at all. Was pretty clear what his argument was. I think you just got defensive and ran with it.

[Whoda Thunk?]

Do we really need to ban any and all Christina subjects in here?