In wake of Spitzer scandal, former prostitute calls for legalized prostitution

[Regis Philbin]

Oldest excuse in the book---But everybody's doing it!!!

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-oe-kelly13mar13,1,5719205.story

Decriminalize prostitution

Paying for sex is common. The U.S. should follow Mexico's lead and accept that.

By Patty Kelly
March 13, 2008

Eliot Spitzer paid a woman for sex. And got caught. Depending on whose statistics you choose to believe, more than one in every 10 American adult males have paid for sex at some point in their lives. What's more, in 2005, about 84,000 people were arrested across the nation for prostitution-related offenses.

In other words, it's not terribly uncommon. It's a part of our culture, and it's not going away any time soon. Perhaps Spitzer's resignation will help convince Americans that it is finally time to decriminalize prostitution across the country.

Recently, I spent a year working at a legal, state-regulated brothel in Mexico, a nation in which commercial sex is common, visible and, in one-third of the states, legal. I was not working as a prostitute but as an anthropologist, to study and analyze the place of commercial sex in the modern world. I spent my days and nights in close contact with the women who sold sexual services, with their clients and with government bureaucrats who ran the brothel.

Here's what I learned: Most of the workers made some rational choice to be there, sometimes after a divorce, a bad breakup or an economic crisis, acute or chronic. Of the 140 women who worked at the Galactic Zone, as the brothel was called, only five had a pimp (and in each of those cases, they insisted the man was their boyfriend).

The women made their own hours, set their own rates and decided for themselves what sex acts they would perform. Some were happy with the job. (As Gabriela once told me: "You should have seen me before I started working here. I was so depressed.") Others would've preferred to be doing other work, though the employment available to these women in Mexico (servants, factory workers) pays far less for longer.

[db44]

Works in Europe too, and keeps down rape numbers and STDs...

[tiger_rascal]

:nc:

Thats really sad when you have to pay someone to have sex with you.

:roll:

[DoubleEdgeSword]

You do realize Nevada has legalized prostitution, right? The state George Bush won in both 2000 and 2004.

[db44]

:nc:

Thats really sad when you have to pay someone to have sex with you.

:roll:

On the other hand, some prostitutes I've met are in relationships and even married.

[tiger_rascal]

Is this even morally excusable? :confused:

[db44]

It is outside a religious context. It's something I've battled with actually, seeing both sides: American feminists would say flat-out it's exploitation. European feminists seem split. Some seem to agree with the Americans. Others feel it's a legitimate profession, and women have unions and rights to their jobs, and do it not necessarily for money... In countries like The Netherlands, where they could get help getting "better" jobs, some don't and actually do what they do because they like it, and would feel restricting them from doing such would be the anti-feminist thing to do.

[db44]

I guess for me, it depends on the situation: In Europe, and from what I've heard, in Nevada, it is regulated and condoms are required. If it's like some stories we hear out of Asia where women and even children are sold into prostitution, that is evil. Forget the use of condoms, in a forced environment and especially where children are used, that right there should never be allowed.

[tiger_rascal]

I see.

I guess its the womans choice. However, I cant imagine very many women signing up for such a job. It seems, among other things, degrading.

[db44]

That may or may not be: Some seem to glad for the ability to "flaunt it." Is it degrading if it's something they want to do and enjoy?

One thing that may be important to point out also, at least in Europe, is women also have the right to reject customers.

[tiger_rascal]

Are there regulated corners? Seriously, I just seen on our local news the other night about prostitution crack downs and they showed police breaking up groups of prostitutes in dark back alleys. Seems dangerous. If it were legalized would they then be permitted to set up shop on any corner? In daylight? How many miles from a school zone? What about drugs that often follow the prostitution profession?

[SparkleHugs]

I find stripping degrading, but that is legal too and plenty of women sign up willingly.

The practicle side of me says it should be legalized, the women are far better protected and its taxed. But the idealistic side of me is afraid of what it would be like if prositution were legalized everywhere. It just seems so...dirty. But i think practicle should overrule idealistic most of the time.

Chad, I think legalized prositution wouldnt be picking up from the corner Pretty Woman style. I think it would involve brothels and regular doctor visits. I am sure they wouldnt allow such businesses near a school zone.

[db44]

That may be the image here, where prositution is illegal and where the government (and religious factions?) want to make it look unsavory. In Europe, theere aren't corners. There are blocks and brothels. The Red Light District is a set of streets, with windows and doors with red lights. Women stand in the windows and doors. Some of those windows are right to rooms with beds, or hallways to such rooms. In some cases, yes, they are dark alleys, maybe not back alleys, and usually full of people. They don't set up on any corner, they set up shop in planned areas/neighborhoods/buildings. I don't know how far any school district is, but families live on these streets, above the window fronts. Shops are also in the area; It's all part of the neighborhood. Heck, in Amsterdam, there is a famous historic church right in the middle of the main District.

As I said, it's well-populated, so there is protection. Prostitutes aren't just in the street, they are in their workspace, so again, they have protection there too and the ability to close the door to anyone they are weary of.

Drugs don't follow the profession per se. I would say that's the same stigma that is promoted I'd say by the ones promoting the other unfavorable portrayals. That said, The Netherlands is famous for their tolerance of soft drugs and understanding of hard, addictive drugs. I would guess the reason you combine the two, that the media does, is because of STD, how AIDs is transmitted by unprotected sex or by sharing needles. There are some hash bars around the RLD, but there are also regular bars around, and there are hash bars in other parts of town as well. As for needles, while hard drugs are illegal, The Dutch understand it's not necessarily easy to breka the habits. While they do have good programs to break people of their habits, they also have free needle-exchange programs. If they can't force people out of drug use, they at least make it safer for users and therefore for all.

[tiger_rascal]

It still sounds best to discourage it. Too many risks. And Im not looking at this from a religious view. Im looking at it realistically as a human. Morally it seems crazy to abuse your body like that.

How do you force the women to get regular dr. visits? How do the women know for certain the guys they are sleeping with are "clean"? If with protected sex accidents still happen.

It also seems animalistic. I thought humans were a little more progressed than that.

[db44]

As long as we have so many who favor war or are so easily convinced it is a proper way to settle arguements, I will not accept the idea of anything being more animalistic than that.

Accidents happen, yes. Accidents happen all over the place everywhere. Regarding sex, a condom is effective 99-percent of the time. I believe that would prove to be a more acceptable accident rating than on a construction site or in a factory. People get maimed there, making products of wants if not needs. Why don't we then shut those factories down that make non-essential items? Afterall, they are less safe to produce than having sex.

Crazy to abuse your body how? Sex is normal. Well, don't tell Pat Robertson that, but it is something that is natural and for humans if not animals, usually enjoyable. There's your difference between as to making it not animalistic: Even/especially in reliationships and marriages, it is more than just procreation: Some see it as a sign of affection, of trust and of pleasure. Animals do ut just out of instinct. Humans have made it an artform, or something more, not of business only, but again, a sign of trust and more positive ideals. The U.S., more than many places, make it taboo, while other countries see sex as natural.

How is this crazy, but stepping into a UFC ring not? We pay millions of dollars to athletes to have balls thrown at them 100 m.p.h., to run into walls and into other people, to sometimes get their necks snapped and become paralyzed, or even die on the field. Some of these people even feel the need to use dangerous drugs to make them better competitors... That sounds crazy, no matter how much I love sports.

Let's again look at potential benefits: Rape is down as are STD. men who may have raped women for sex instead pay for it. Prostitutes by law must use condoms, and I would think they would want to anyway. Seems safer than meeting somebody in a club and having sex, protected or not.

My knowledge comes mainly from the town I studied to semesters in during college and where I have visted frequently. It is a small town, about 1,500 people, on a semi-major road through Holland. It has a number of brothels there. Some of the women frequent the bar most of the students used to go to. They go with their friends, male and female, and siginifcant others. They are as normal as everyone else and treated as such. Some have been doing their jobs for years, being tested every six months (as was once the norm, I believe legally tests are enforced more frequently now). All those years, all those tests, and no STDs to show for it. And it's easy to enforce testing: Prostitutes are registered as workers, as taxable ciizens. To work, they must register, and that includes giving contact informantion. It's as easy as having the IRS found you here.

Actually, the most dangerous thing I remember about it is a few years ago, somebody who was staunchly against prostitution burned down one of the brothels, killing some of the women inside. There's your real danger in it... Do you want to talk about animalistic again?

[db44]

And back to being clean, a woman can say no. If a guy looks dangerous from the get go, they won't let him in. I don't know what would happen if a guy displays some signs of an STD already when inside, but I would presume the woman could say no, and would have a way of enforcing her decision.

Back to my club analogy, and to accidents: Women are screened and can refuse customers, making the likliness of STDs even lower in a country that has low STD rates to begin with. A condom is effective 99-percent of the time. Even if there is an accident, and if one of the participants has an STD, that still doesn't mean it will be transmitted. Because of all the factors involved, it seems like 99-percent is actually lowerballing the risk involved. I'd say picking up a partner at a club is a lot more dangerous. Look at that movie "Knocked Up." A comedy, about an accident, from a night at a club. Haha. People laugh about that, but then denounce prostitution as unsafe?

[tiger_rascal]

People are crazy Dave. Movies are not the real world.

This all still sounds too risky, maybe even moreso now that you have elaborated on the situation.

[db44]

Really? How so? It seems all safe to me.

Movies are life imitating art. That movie certainly was. I'd say that occurance is much more frequent than a prositute or a client getting an STD. Except the people in the movie aimed for a happy ending: What if it was about them getting an STD, or about a guy skipping out on the woman afterwards, or worse yet, if he killed her. "It's a move"?! Are you telling me we don't see stories like this almost on a daily basis in the news?

[tiger_rascal]

Certainly, there are some real life situations that are far more interesting than movies.

Lady gets "knocked up", guy leaves her, girl decides to keep baby for second time because she was thinking about abortion, girl decides to let family help raise beautiful baby.

Or

Prostitute gets cash for sex. Likes her job, but wants more. Gets mixed up with drugs, gets raped, life is ruined. But even this story can have a happy ending.

Oh, but Hollywood hates real life stories, so they sugar coat them or try to make them funny.

[tiger_rascal]

So, how exactly is legalized prostitution regulated?

Once the woman is in a room with a guy, anything can happen, and that is scary.

And what about taxes? It sounds horribly disgusting to tax the womans money when she let a man use her body.

[DoubleEdgeSword]

Okay, for me this is easy. It boils down to choice. If a woman, or a man for that matter, wants to make a living as a prostitute, that is his or her choice.

Risk. If, as Dave as said, the risks for STDs are low, then that is not an issue either. Even with a small risk, once again, if those wanting to get into the profession, and those wanting to buy the services, understand the risks and are willing to accept them, this is a non-issue.

The questions of morality, for me personally, is just absurd. While I do believe some truly would object for purely religious/moral reasons, I think the majority of people slip in and out of "morality" as easily as they change their Sunday-go-to-meeting clothes.

The stickier issue is community acceptance. While legalized prostitution may play well in Nevada, I can't imagine the folks of Cleveland or Montgomery readily allowing redlight districts in their towns. I'm all for states' rights, perhaps even individual city rights on this one.

[tiger_rascal]

The stickier issue is community acceptance. While legalized prostitution may play well in Nevada, I can't imagine the folks of Cleveland or Montgomery readily allowing redlight districts in their towns. I'm all for states' rights, perhaps even individual city rights on this one.

Thats the bigger issue for me as well. I know WV can not be the best place to set up a redlight district. Maybe keep it in the big cities in a big building somewhere out of sight, out of mind?

[DoubleEdgeSword]

Thats the bigger issue for me as well. I know WV can not be the best place to set up a redlight district. Maybe keep it in the big cities in a big building somewhere out of sight, out of mind?

To establish redlight districts, proponents will have to overcome all of the negative and false preconceptions that we've been discussing: disease, drugs, crime, etc. As if that won't be difficult enough, they will have to tackle the issue of morality. As much as Americans would love to see themselves as progressive, we aren't.

[db44]

Certainly, there are some real life situations that are far more interesting than movies.

Lady gets "knocked up", guy leaves her, girl decides to keep baby for second time because she was thinking about abortion, girl decides to let family help raise beautiful baby.

Or

Prostitute gets cash for sex. Likes her job, but wants more. Gets mixed up with drugs, gets raped, life is ruined. But even this story can have a happy ending.

Oh, but Hollywood hates real life stories, so they sugar coat them or try to make them funny.

Except, their is no precident for your "or" standard in a place like The Netherlands. Case one is art imitating life, case two isn't realistic in the environment I described and which has existed for years.

But then, as I said, the Netherlands look at hard drug users as victims, not criminals (well, they do, but secondary after victims). Maybe your scenario is likely here. I don'tknow what happens in Nevada. But you fail to grasp reality of a reglated prostitution industry over what the media wants you to believe is the case.

As for regulation, it's easy: You can't get a work space without having the proper permits. To do such, you must register. As for the one-on-one setting (or more), I don't know entirely what is or isn't allowed. I know condoms are mandatory, so there's the main safety issue. As I said numerous times, a woman can deny a man, so to say anything can happen is not taking everything into account that I said. If a guy is staggering down the street and is unable to talk, the woman will likely flat-out say no. Incidentally, police do walk the streets of the Walletjes (as it is called), so again unlike your media image, it is part of the community and there is protection. There may be less protection inside, but there are people in the building, it's not like picking a woman up on a corner and riding to an obscure, empty nook, again, like the media portrayal.

And again, anything can happen when a guy takes a girl home from a club, or vice versa. Except here, there are people watching out for one another. Not so in such a case in the club. You are looking for what ifs just to try and make it bad, but they don't seem to exist in the reality of it all, and that reality has been going on for decades if not centuries in these communities. Give history its due credit: It has worked like this, and safely for pretty much everyone, for ages.

You may think it's wrong to tax a woman for that, but we tax athletes, and I'm sure Jenna Jameson pays her share of taxes too. Why shouldn't she, and again, if a woman has decided to use her body like this by her own free will, why is taxation an issue?

It would have a hard time working parts of the States, and even then it wouldn't be on par with The Netherlands. Women choose this profession by choice over there, where the government actually protects its citizens and helps people find work. What would scare me about prostitution in the States is here it wouldn't necessarily be a choice, it may be a necessity to get work. That is wrong, to force such a profession on somebody.

[tiger_rascal]

But is it false preconceptions?

We have so many examples in the news everyday, and its not the media, they only report what some people see happening in their neighborhoods. Sometimes the truth hurts. Disease, drugs, crime, etc. are all part of the prostitution problem in this country. Saying that legalizing it will help because one country has a good track record is not going to be good enough to convince people. China still allows only one child per family, should the US do that as well?

[DoubleEdgeSword]

I'm not sure I understand your comparison with the China thing, Chad. And we already have one state where prostitution is legal, Nevada.

[tiger_rascal]

Is that the state that only has Las Vegas and Area 51? Thats what I thought. ;)

[db44]

You can't compare here to there. It is legal there and it isn't here. Las Vegas, for all the crime you may or may not want to heap on it, is actually in a county which prohibits prostitution. So you can't really compare that in the equation.

Just how many stories are you saying you see on a regular basis that combine all three things you say are connected? I think you are exaggerating things. Still it goes without saying, where legalized prostitution is legal, hard drug use, violent crimes and rape and disease is all down. You are making allegations everything is connected. While in a real working model of the plan, legalizing prostitution and tolerating marijuana (it's illegal but allowed in The Netherlands... Don't ask, don't tell scenario) has brought those other items to a low level.

Although here I think it may raise violent crime... Not rape, but "moral" nuts who think being immoral to what they think is immoral makes their actions moral.

[Richard Tafoya]

Yep, the Bible and gun crowd who sometimes think God wants them to point the gun at sinners.

[tiger_rascal]

Just how many stories are you saying you see on a regular basis that combine all three things you say are connected?

Dave, in Charleston and Huntington, the two largest cities in WV, there is at least one story every night on our news about prostitution, drugs and crime all in one. You cant blame the citizens of those cities for trying to clean it up.

[tiger_rascal]

Im not understanding Richard. Are you saying that if it were not for the "Bible crowd" and "Gun crowd" in this country legalized prostitution would be safe? :crazy:

[Richard Tafoya]

I'm saying that the same zealots who think God wants them to assassinate judges and blow up family planning clinics--the ones who think that the Bible and a gun are inseperable--would crawl out of their caves and probably start hurting people again.

[pinky]

Chad, I see your point, and I do believe that prostitution is an absolutely horrible profession for a woman, but do you think it's possible that if it were legalized, the drugs and crime might not be so closely associated with it?

It's kind of like during Prohibition, when organized crime took over the speakeasies. Legalize it, and you take away all the criminal aspects.

Just a thought.....

[tiger_rascal]

I see.

I would just hope that most women would have nothing to do with using their bodies as a money maker.

[pinky]

I think most women would not want to do that. But as long as there is money to be made from it, there will be prostitutes and customers for their services.

Why not tax the revenue?

[db44]

Can't say I've ever seen such a long chain of such stories in any city I've lived in. I mean sometimes like the Spitzer story one stays in the news, but it's one story, not a new one every day... And in this case, no drugs or crime other than what Spitzer is or may be guilty of seem to exist.

Just curious what both of you feel about the idea that maybe some women actually want to do something like this? For instance there are college grads who could do other stuff in Europe, but choose this job because they like it.

[tiger_rascal]

Sex addicts? I think they would love a job like that.



And about the taxes, I think its wrong to tax a living being. I think its wrong that we have a dog tax.

[db44]

I wasn't asking you to catagorize who would want the job, I was asking what you thought that there are people who would freely chose such a job... Also that although it may be against your morals (I'm not sure how I truly feel about it despite my arguing here), it is perfectly fine for others, and back to the age-old question, why should somebody's morals deny freedom (or in this case, jobs) to people who feel it is perfectly fine.

[pinky]

I'm sure there are women who would enjoy it. But I'd be willing to bet that the majority would not.

As for the issue of legalization, I can't say that I like the idea, but I do see the advantages, for all concerned (except maybe the pimps, who don't deserve to profit the way they do). Legalization means regulation, which means greater safety for both prostitutes and customers.

[tiger_rascal]

I guess Im old fashioned. I think sex should be a special intimate relationship between two people who love each other.

Getting paid for it and paying for it just seems odd and animalistic.

[db44]

I guess I forgot to mention there are no pimps involved, at least in The Netherlands. Each woman pays a set price for the room she rents, and is in business for herself. Pimping is illegal.

[db44]

Old-fashioned? Kind of a funny way to put it considering we are talking about what is called the "oldest profession in history."

Also kinda funny to call it animalistic. Odd, maybe, but when's the last time you saw an animal pay for anything?

[DoubleEdgeSword]

I see.

I would just hope that most women would have nothing to do with using their bodies as a money maker.

As would I. But, who am I to judge? The major problem I see with legalizing or decriminalizing prostitution in this country is I'm just not sure our culture is ready for it. We are not Europe. As Richard pointed out, there are zealots in this society who are more than willing to resort to violence to protest something they deem "immoral." But, more than that, we are a prudish nation on the whole. We can't even agree on how to teach our children about sex.

[db44]

I think that's the problem in a nutshell. As a society, we are way too ashamed about nudity and sexuality. Which is all rather dumb because we are born naked and sex is a necessity for our species to survive. I don't think any Western culture is as prudish as we are. Regular TV there sometimes shows nudity ("Real Sex" from HBO is on basic TV there, but after hours), and advertisements sometimes depict naked or scantily clad bodies (although nude ads usually are just suggestive, not showing any genetalia). It isn't embarassing to people there, and why should it be if it's all natural? I would hang much of it on religion here: Few seem to take religion as seriously in Europe as they do here these days.

An interesting side note would be that plastic surgery is not the rage as it is here... Again, Europeans accept what is natural. Funny that our society is so into it even though it's to promote one of our greatest taboos.

I wonder... When Europeans first started coming over here for their religious freedoms, was it because religion wasn't cherished as much over there for those people's wishes? Are we based on religious fanaticism here?

[tiger_rascal]

Old-fashioned? Kind of a funny way to put it considering we are talking about what is called the "oldest profession in history."

I've heard that before, but I dont believe it. I think farming is the oldest. People lived off the land.

[pinky]

I wonder... When Europeans first started coming over here for their religious freedoms, was it because religion wasn't cherished as much over there for those people's wishes? Are we based on religious fanaticism here?
Actually, Europeans started coming here, not because religion wasn't cherished at home, but because their practice wasn't. Most were religious refugees from persecution (other than the profiteers who came for financial benefit).

On an interesting side note, I read an article in today's newpaper about the laws regarding prostitution in Sweden. Apparently, selling sex isn't illegal there, but buying is. The thinking is that the prostitutes are victims, the customers predators.

[SparkleHugs]

While sex is normal, I don't think it is normal to have as much sex as prostitutes. Multiple times, every single night with different men. It just seems unhealty for the vagina. But I do agree with you for the most part. but I also agree with Chad. lol I would never vote to keep it criminalized though, but in the meantime I don't think your average streetwalker/john shouldn't be jailed if caught.

Though, I do think a UFC ring is also unhealhty. lol

[tiger_rascal]

While we are on the topic of sex, I would like to state my opinion about something.

I think after the age of 40 it should be banned to talk about your sex life in public. Im getting so tired of hearing old ladies talk about sex. Im going to have nightmares. :cry:

[SparkleHugs]

wait wait wait, you mean to tell me its legal for 40+ people to even have sex? GROSS! it definately shouldnt be talked about...especially in mixed company. :laugh:

[pinky]

Dr. Ruth would be so disappointed in both of you! :greyno:

[tiger_rascal]

wait wait wait, you mean to tell me its legal for 40+ people to even have sex? GROSS! it definately shouldnt be talked about...especially in mixed company. :laugh:

Thats what Im saying!!!

But, realistically, we cant stop anyone over the age of 40 from having sex, so I vote that we just make them keep quiet about it. Please! For the love of all things holy!

[LesterX]

I think after the age of 40 it should be banned to talk about your sex life in public. Im getting so tired of hearing old ladies talk about sex. Im going to have nightmares. :cry:

Wait a minute here...women over 40 are old ladies?!? Apparently, you haven't heard that 40 is the new 30. ;)

[tiger_rascal]

With Madonna turning 50, I heard 50 is the new 40.

What difference does it make?

I dont want to hear anyone over the age of 40 even mentioning the word sex. Its just gross. They should just stop already. :noway:

[pinky]

Sex, Chad. Sex.

SEX.

SEX.

SEX!!!!

[tiger_rascal]

:sick:

[DoubleEdgeSword]

And let me just add...


SEX

:D

[tiger_rascal]

http://www.unity.i8i.co.uk/forum/images/smiley_vomit.gif

[db44]

There are women in the windows in Amsterdam who I swear are pushing 60-70.

That's not age, Chad, that's experience... :eek:

[tiger_rascal]

STFU Dave!

[DoubleEdgeSword]

You're scarring the poor boy for life, Dave. Tsk.

[tiger_rascal]

I think I have developed a new phobia. :eek:

[Richard Tafoya]

What, your 40th birthday?

[tiger_rascal]

Well, that too.

And dont remind me, Im actually turning 30 this summer and it hit me all of a sudden. I know its just a number, and people tell me I look and act like Im 21, but that does not stop the fact that Im turning 30 this year!!!

[tiger_rascal]

I also might have eurotophobia. :nc:

[db44]

Don't knock it 'til you try it...

Or is knocking it trying it?

[LesterX]

Well, that too.

And dont remind me, Im actually turning 30 this summer and it hit me all of a sudden. I know its just a number, and people tell me I look and act like Im 21, but that does not stop the fact that Im turning 30 this year!!!

Ah, turning 30. I remember that...barely. Well, then, you'd better hurry up and have lots of sex before you turn 40, unless you're planning to find younger women. Or maybe I'm confused. Is it okay to have sex when you're over 40 as long as you don't talk about it? :scratch:

[DoubleEdgeSword]

Well of course you may talk about it. Although... when I was 40, my lover was 24. We didn't all that talk much. ;)

Oops. TMI? lol

[tiger_rascal]

Is it okay to have sex when you're over 40 as long as you don't talk about it? :scratch:

Not really, no, its gross.

[tiger_rascal]

TMI!!! :eek:

[Whoda Thunk?]

Well of course you may talk about it. Although... when I was 40, my lover was 24. We didn't all that talk much. ;)

Oops. TMI? lol
:roll:

[songwriterchk20]

The stickier issue is community acceptance. While legalized prostitution may play well in Nevada, I can't imagine the folks of Cleveland or Montgomery readily allowing redlight districts in their towns. I'm all for states' rights, perhaps even individual city rights on this one.

It's funny you mention Montgomery because I live there, and we've actually had higher numbers of prostitution in the city. There is a hotel on the southside of town that is basically a brothel, though, of course, prostitution is illegal here. It's very prominent throughout the city, aside from the eastside of town.

But here in the heart of the Bible belt, we can't even get a state lottery to pass because so many people think having a lottery would invite immoral behavior and violence and buying and selling toys meant for sexual pleasure is illegal, which is just ridiculous, so there's no way prostitution would ever be legalized, though it obviously goes on here.

[pinky]

Wait another ten years, Chad. Then come back and tell us how you feel about people over 40 having......well, you know......that icky thing we're not supposed to talk about now that we're over 40.


:roll:

[db44]

So Chad, you have 10 years to have a kid, if you wish. We're holding you to 40.

[tiger_rascal]

I can tell you right now I will not have a kid of my own. Not going to happen.

Besides, I already have my nephew, thats good enough for me, and Im very happy with it that way. :)

[pinky]

Wow, it's almost like having a kid, isn't it?

And just think, you didn't even have to have SEX to get him! :roll:

[tiger_rascal]

And just think, you didn't even have to have SEX to get him! :roll:

That is exactly what my mom says!!! :roll:

[pinky]

Your MOM says SEX?????

And you still talk to her?????


:tongue:

[tiger_rascal]

I KNOW!!!

Where do you think my problem stems from?

My mom is always complaining about how her boyfriend wont put out and stuff. I tell her to shut up, but then she starts talking about my dad!!! :eek: I tell her that people over 40 should not be having sex, but then she says that never stopped our dad.

I need a therapist. :(

[pinky]

Typical. Blame it all on the mother. :p

[db44]

Jeez, wait until your mom ctaches up to my mom: 66 (stepdad's 71). They still got their thing goin'.

But that's the root of this thread, isn't it? Chad may be able to pay legally for sex one day. :blueeek:

[pinky]

Probably not until too late (10 years from now). :greyno:

[SparkleHugs]

My objection really comes from knowledge of my older family members having sex. Pinks could tell me the dirty details of her and Mr. Pink and it would be no different if my younger friend did it. Parental sex is gross. lol Middle aged/Elder sex is just life. I do believe Chad will change his mind one day. probably once he realizes that one day he will too be 40 and want to get laid. lol

[tiger_rascal]

I wont have to pay for sex, Dave. :tongue: I already have this one lady wanting to rape me, and she is married!!! :eek: Im serious, she freaks me out. We joke sometimes, but now I know she is serious. Im scared.

[songwriterchk20]

Did y'all see where Joe Francis, owner of the "Girls Gone Wild" franchise, wanted to have the former prostitute pose on his website or whatever only to find that she was actually in one of his videos a few years back? Now that's a girl going somewhere right there! Hahaha.

[db44]

Her attorney apparently now is saying she was 17 when she shot the video. I guess that's her way of trying to get the million?

Think Spitzer has the tape?