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Richard Tafoya
Apr 22nd, 2008, 09:15 PM
NPR had some quotes from voters at the polls in PA tonight. Lots of "I could go either way, as long as it's a Democrat" type answers.

Huge turnout, massive defections of former Republican voters to join with Democrats to see that John McCain doesn't drag this country into another four years of Bush policies.

Heartening to see all around.

LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-campaign23apr23,0,3084943.story

Hillary Rodham Clinton took the Pennsylvania primary tonight, staving off elimination and ensuring the Democrat's fierce nominating battle would last at least another two weeks.

In a state racked by economic anxiety, Clinton rolled to victory with strong support from women, seniors and blue-collar voters -- the coalition that carried the New York senator to wins elsewhere including, most notably, her back-to-the-wall victory last month in Ohio.

With 85% of precincts reporting, Clinton was ahead 55% to 45% in Pennsylvania.

"Some people counted me out and said to drop out, but the American people don't quit, and they deserve a president who doesn't quit either," she said at a rally in Philadelphia. "Because of you, the tide is turning."

But Clinton faced a daunting task -- not just winning, but winning big enough to change the course of a contest in which she trails Obama by most significant measurements: fundraising, pledged delegates and popular vote as well as the number of states won. At tonight's victory rally, she urged supporters to go to her website and donate.

Despite her victory, the Democrat's proportional awarding of delegates made it unlikely that Clinton would significantly dent Obama's lead, though she narrowed his advantage in the overall popular vote.

Obama held a rally in Evansville, Ind., which votes in two weeks. "Now it's up to you, Indiana," he said.

tiger_rascal
Apr 22nd, 2008, 09:18 PM
You know, I could go either way, but the more I watch the news, the more I want to vote for Hillary rather than Obama. It seems everytime they show Hillary she is speaking clearly, she looks determined. Obama is starting to look a little lost, and when he speaks its too many "uummmmms". I cant stand to watch someone speak when every other word out of their mouth is "ummmm"!

Richard Tafoya
Apr 22nd, 2008, 10:39 PM
Josh Marshall at TPM boils it down to the essentials:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/190724.php
Lots of spin coming from both campaigns tonight. I'd say the real story is that this leaves us basically where we were. It was a decisive win for Hillary but that was the expectation. Going into tonight I think the dividing line was about 8 points. Closer than that and the story would have been that Obama didn't win but closed the margin (which is how it looked early in the evening). A bigger margin than that and the story would be that Hillary got her big victory.

So the 10 point spread is close to the dividing line but on Hillary's side of it. There's a lot of crowing from Hillary's campaign tonight about a shift in momentum and doubts about Obama. Tomorrow there will be a lot of chatter from Obama's campaign that none of that really matters because of the reality of the delegate numbers which won't change much.

Like I said, I think that means we're basically right where we were.

--Josh Marshall

tiger_rascal
Apr 23rd, 2008, 06:29 AM
I still think Hillary would be best for the nomination, regardless of Obamas superdelegates. He is starting to act smug as well.

SparkleHugs
Apr 23rd, 2008, 07:23 AM
Do you think its possible that image is just being created by the media? I think they have alot to do with how these two people are depicted.

tiger_rascal
Apr 23rd, 2008, 07:28 AM
I gave that some thought, but everytime Hillary wins a state, like PA, Obama acts like a spoiled kid with more candy than her, "haha, I still have more superdelegates than you, Im still winning".

I say forget the superdelegates.

DoubleEdgeSword
Apr 23rd, 2008, 07:42 AM
He has more delegates that Clinton, not superdelegates. There are still some 300 superdelegates who are undecided.

tiger_rascal
Apr 23rd, 2008, 07:49 AM
See? Im so confused! :cry:

DoubleEdgeSword
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:04 AM
Delegates are awarded based on votes earned by each candidate in primaries and caucuses. Superdelgates are party elders, senators, former vice presidents and presidents, etc. The big powers in the Party.

tiger_rascal
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:53 AM
I dont think Clinton will back down and just give it to Obama if she thinks she could still have a chance.

So this probably will come down to the superdelegates?! :eek:

I still like Hillary more. Not that Obama would be a bad choice, that honor goes to McCain, its just that I prefer Hillary over Obama.

Venisenvy
Apr 23rd, 2008, 09:09 AM
I just dont think Hillrod won enough delegates to have a shot to beat Obama for the lead and if that is the case then it would be horrid at the convention to have the super delegates make the choice.

tiger_rascal
Apr 23rd, 2008, 09:10 AM
I honestly believe that Hillary is the more popular one. I think she could beat McCain, easy. I think if its going to be McCain and Obama, watch for a fight. I just think Hillary could do a better job.

And Im totally having dejavu right now. I feel dizzy. :(