Mariah 'Without You' live 1994!!!

[Hemingway]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOMXcDxncD0

DE:funny: D @ Mariahs randomly live on a tv show being better than the majority of 'singers' Grammy performances or lives! :nod:

[EDT]

that's really good

[Hemingway]

Hero live in Sweden
this is better than the album version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BBlhtlB0dw&feature=related

I just wish there was HQ version of these floating around :(

[Hemingway]

thanks to Sincere for this:
If Its Over live at the Grammys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEkBcU7YZvg

[Manuel]

thanks to Sincere for this:
If Its Over live at the Grammys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEkBcU7YZvg
that was really good t4p! I never really liked her early songs.

[kristina]

that was really good t4p! I never really liked her early songs.
what

:nc:

don't tell me you like the sh*t she puts out now.

mariah >>>>>> mimi

[kristina]

...and that performance was ok. good, but stale. she looked hot, though.

nothing beats If It's Over from SNL, though... NOTHING.

[Manuel]

what

:nc:

don't tell me you like the sh*t she puts out now.

mariah >>>>>> mimi
no lol I ment like her first 2 cds I never really got into them, alot of the songs I like from her are from Butterfly, Musicbox, Daydream and TEOM Her new cd is good too..

[~Crybaby~]

"If It's Over", the live performances were so soulful and amazing. The run and the little growl thing she did at the end still gives me chills. She was the best vocalist of all-time in those days. No doubt about it.

[EDT]

that was really good t4p! I never really liked her early songs.
she certainly got better with time

well..let me rephrase

her songs/songwriting certainly got better with time

[Slayer4Xtina]

DEAD @ Pipi not being like what he is here on the CA board! afraid to get ban again!

Anywayz, Mariah really rocks that song! I love it!:love:

[Sam♀]

I never really liked her early songs.
Same. Her really early stuff was kinda boring to me. Music Box & Daydream were amazing and Butterfly was perfection.

[Hemingway]

I'd love to see some of her contemporaries try to sing this. I would laugh so hard :hah:

[julie.]

Her songwriting got better with time, but her vocals went down with each album imo. (with an exception of her first two, they were equally brilliant vocally)

[Hemingway]

I loved her vocals (and music) on all the albums up until Rainbow came out... and even that had some good stuff like Against All Odds.

[XtinaAguilera07]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOMXcDxncD0

DE:funny: D @ Mariahs randomly live on a tv show being better than the majority of 'singers' Grammy performances or lives! :nod:
:love: :cry:

[kristina]

I'd love to see some of her contemporaries try to sing this. I would laugh so hard :hah:
Without You? :scratch: It's not difficult at all. Especially for her contemporaries.

[Hemingway]

Without You? :scratch: It's not difficult at all. Especially for her contemporaries.
:manson: the only person who did anything with it was Leona. And even hers pales to Mariahs.

[jimmyboy]

Without You? :scratch: It's not difficult at all. Especially for her contemporaries.
I'm sure he was talking about pulling it off live...

[Hemingway]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_SxmMhFHjA

LOL

[kristina]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_SxmMhFHjA

LOL
that performance is awesome.

mariah's voice isn't aggressive enough to that off. that first note would kill her.

[kristina]

:manson: the only person who did anything with it was Leona. And even hers pales to Mariahs.
how the f*ck is leona mariah's contemporary???

leona isn't even part of christina's generation, let alone mariah's.

[kristina]

I'm sure he was talking about pulling it off live...
i'm pretty sure she doesn't belt beyond C# in that song, lol.

[~Crybaby~]

that performance is awesome.

mariah's voice isn't aggressive enough to that off. that first note would kill her.

Stealing a line from you...

DEAD

whatever you're smoking, give me some. :manson:

[~Crybaby~]

And I wouldn't want her to do something like that, ever. When she could sing, her singing was controlled, never strained or as messy as that. I don't mind aggressive singing, but that's just waaaayyyyy too much. Overkill. :crazy:

[jimmyboy]

i'm pretty sure she doesn't belt beyond C# in that song, lol.
I-m not Mel, I don't what you're talking about :laugh:

[EDT]

lol

but yeah I don't think it'd be hard for Mariah's contemporaries to sing that song back then (Whitney & Celine). It's kinda just normal belting and holding notes.

[Hemingway]

Whitney and Celine were excellent. When I say 'contemporaries' I am referring to people she is up against now. Leona etc.
Not just people her age lol.

[Hemingway]

that performance is awesome.

mariah's voice isn't aggressive enough to that off. that first note would kill her.
thats nothing but a screaming strained mess and you know it. Carrie Underwood could sing that thing better with her eyes closed.

[Manuel]

:manson: the only person who did anything with it was Leona. And even hers pales to Mariahs.
Have you heard Kelly Clarckson's version on AI? I loved it.

[Hemingway]

^ nope. But I heard Carly Smithsons and I thought it was average.

[Manuel]

^ nope. But I heard Carly Smithsons and I thought it was average.
yeah Carly's was ok here it is I wish Kelly still sang like this :(
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wjEol3XtgvU

[kristina]

Stealing a line from you...

DEAD

whatever you're smoking, give me some. :manson:
her voice is CLEAR, her vocals are powerful right from the opening note to the last, she was actually fairy articulate for once... what's to hate?

[Hemingway]

her voice is CLEAR, her vocals are powerful right from the opening note to the last, she was actually fairy articulate for once... what's to hate?
http://freshome.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/itch-cat-scratch-pad.jpg

[kristina]

Whitney and Celine were excellent. When I say 'contemporaries' I am referring to people she is up against now. Leona etc.
Not just people her age lol.
leona, christina, beyonce, carrie etc., could ALL sing WY. it's seriously not that difficult of a song.

granted, there would be added growls from christina, extra runs from beyonce, and about ZERO emotion from carrie, but they would still fair well.

a song i don't think ANY of them could pull of live is something like My All or You're So Cold or Make It Happen (mariah couldn't even pull off make it happen true to it's recording).

[Hemingway]

Back to Basics LIVE
http://www.tufts.edu/vet/behavior/photo/FelineScratch01.jpg

[kristina]

http://freshome.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/itch-cat-scratch-pad.jpg
idgi

[kristina]

if anyone sounds screechy, it's mariah f*cking carey. :roll:

[Hemingway]

leona, christina, beyonce, carrie etc., could ALL sing WY. it's seriously not that difficult of a song.

granted, there would be added growls from christina, extra runs from beyonce, and about ZERO emotion from carrie, but they would still fair well.

a song i don't think ANY of them could pull of live is something like My All or You're So Cold or Make It Happen (mariah couldn't even pull off make it happen true to it's recording).
DE:funny: D @ u thinking Christina could sing Vision Of Love when Mariah said herself SHE couldn't even sing the damn thing in the studio in 1990. :arrow:

[Hemingway]

Scratch!

[kristina]

*win*

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IRtRVlbdiLw

:love:

[kristina]

DE:funny: D @ u thinking Christina could sing Vision Of Love when Mariah said herself SHE couldn't even sing the damn thing in the studio in 1990. :arrow:
dead @ christina singing it when she was 10. :funny:

[kristina]

i'm ending this discussion. i don't WANT to hate on mariah.

win:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uEkBcU7YZvg

win:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SG3yW9t5j70

k, bye. :kiss:

[Back2Basix]

leona, christina, beyonce, carrie etc., could ALL sing WY. it's seriously not that difficult of a song.

granted, there would be added growls from christina, extra runs from beyonce, and about ZERO emotion from carrie, but they would still fair well.

a song i don't think ANY of them could pull of live is something like My All or You're So Cold or Make It Happen (mariah couldn't even pull off make it happen true to it's recording).
Without you is easy??? Belting and SUSTAINING those high vowels is easy??? no honey.. if christina can't sustain the C#5 in oh mother live which was i think an "eh" sound, how is she supposed to sustain an "ee" sound?? why do you think Mariah had trouble with that song back then?? Carly, Leona and Kelly sucked...
Celine couldnt either, since she's always sucked at sustaining the "ee" sound beyond C5, whitney well, she sucked almost 90% of the time in everything.

[~Crybaby~]

her voice is CLEAR, her vocals are powerful right from the opening note to the last, she was actually fairy articulate for once... what's to hate?

No it's not clear. It's strained, forced, all those grunts and growls are not necessary and painful. It's a scream fest from start to finish.
Her tone was much better in the earlier years of her career and her diction was better too. That was an all around hot mess IMO.

[©!nful]

I love this song.

lol@some of the vids in this thread.

[jade.]

such a shame. :(

[Hemingway]

Jade you know you love MC just admit it and become a lamb. we want ewe.

[kristina]

Without you is easy??? Belting and SUSTAINING those high vowels is easy??? no honey.. if christina can't sustain the C#5 in oh mother live which was i think an "eh" sound, how is she supposed to sustain an "ee" sound?? why do you think Mariah had trouble with that song back then?? Carly, Leona and Kelly sucked...
Celine couldnt either, since she's always sucked at sustaining the "ee" sound beyond C5, whitney well, she sucked almost 90% of the time in everything.
that chorus isn't the "E" sound...??????

"i can't liiiivvveee, if living is without you. i can't liiiivvvveee, i can't give anymoooorrre".

That's not an "E" sound.

"E" to me would be like Carrie's long Eb in Angels Brought Me Here.

And Christina has no trouble sustaining a C#, it's just the transition from chest to mixed in OM was so quick, it gave her little time to prepare for it which is usually why she STOPS singing right before she hits it (with the exception of the MTV one).

[kristina]

No it's not clear. It's strained, forced, all those grunts and growls are not necessary and painful. It's a scream fest from start to finish.
Her tone was much better in the earlier years of her career and her diction was better too. That was an all around hot mess IMO.
her WHINY tone from the debut era was better? lol

maybe her diction, but then again, she wasn't busting out fast gospel lines that required her to belt every second word.

and as far as MMWP goes, that was CRYSTAL CLEAR.

no hot mess there, IMO.

[julie.]

nevermind.

[Back2Basix]

that chorus isn't the "E" sound...??????

"i can't liiiivvveee, if living is without you. i can't liiiivvvveee, i can't give anymoooorrre".

That's not an "E" sound.

"E" to me would be like Carrie's long Eb in Angels Brought Me Here.

And Christina has no trouble sustaining a C#, it's just the transition from chest to mixed in OM was so quick, it gave her little time to prepare for it which is usually why she STOPS singing right before she hits it (with the exception of the MTV one).

it's similar. It's still a high vowel. And they couldn't hold it well.
LMAO@ having trouble transitioning. talk about a disconnected mess of a voice there.

[~Crybaby~]

her WHINY tone from the debut era was better? lol

maybe her diction, but then again, she wasn't busting out fast gospel lines that required her to belt every second word.

and as far as MMWP goes, that was CRYSTAL CLEAR.

no hot mess there, IMO.

Yes, she was much more pleasant to listen to her debut era. Give me these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ZTTsh3Axo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w7Ki74Xa84&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diVW_9Ro43o

any day of the year over that. Why is it 99.9 percent of her performances now she's straining, screaming, screeching, hollering, ridiculously over doing it, looking as if she's in pain? It's because what she's doing vocally does not come naturally to her. FORCED. It's funny how everyone in all the boards on the net (even a good number of Christina fans) seems to have taken notice to this except for the stans. It's painful to listen to. I don't mind crazy runs and all the belting as long as it's controlled. In Christina's case, it rarely ever is. It's so bad that in her "At Last" performances, the beauty and essence of the song is taken away and all you're left with is unnecessary, over the top over singing. You wouldn't even know that was a love song the way she was singing it. And that's my problem with her. She doesn't understand her limits. She is far too over the top way too much. It's like she doesn't know how to sing without being at an 11 most times. :manson:

Even her tone is going downhill. And unlike the other vocalists who were either on drugs for years, or have vocal conditions, Christina has nothing going on. She just has this tendency to be vocally ridiculous and it's not only damaging her vocals, it's so frustrating as hell.

[julie.]

Nate, do you like So Emotional @ TRL? :love: it's one of my favorites. I miss that voice.

[~Crybaby~]

Yes, I love it! :love:

[Hemingway]

I prefer Christinas tone from her debut too. Although her voice on Stripped is my favorite. I love the raspy sexual gravel she adds. B2B was too much, she needed to tone it down and never did except on SMFM which was boring.

[kristina]

it's similar. It's still a high vowel. And they couldn't hold it well.
LMAO@ having trouble transitioning. talk about a disconnected mess of a voice there.
obviously.

[kristina]

Yes, she was much more pleasant to listen to her debut era. Give me these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ZTTsh3Axo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w7Ki74Xa84&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diVW_9Ro43o

any day of the year over that. Why is it 99.9 percent of her performances now she's straining, screaming, screeching, hollering, ridiculously over doing it, looking as if she's in pain?
lol, that's why that audio compilation of her worst vocal performances contain 80% of DEBUT performances. hell, her VERY first performance of GIAB was everything you just described and more!!!

It's because what she's doing vocally does not come naturally to her. FORCED. It's funny how everyone in all the boards on the net (even a good number of Christina fans) seems to have taken notice to this except for the stans. It's painful to listen to. I don't mind crazy runs and all the belting as long as it's controlled. In Christina's case, it rarely ever is. It's so bad that in her "At Last" performances, the beauty and essence of the song is taken away and all you're left with is unnecessary, over the top over singing.
that perfectly describes her debut era. watch how out of control her riffs to At Last were on Genie Gets Her Wish, and then watch how perfectly executed they are on the Stripped DVD. her riffs were so crazy and so out of place during her debut era (w/ the exception of a few performances) but now she blends them perfectly with her musical accompaniment (mmwp, coob, wagw on tour).

You wouldn't even know that was a love song the way she was singing it. And that's my problem with her. She doesn't understand her limits. She is far too over the top way too much. It's like she doesn't know how to sing without being at an 11 most times. :manson:
she over sings because she likes to sing. the emotion you feel from the song when SHE sings it, is her passion for singing. not corny love lyrics. At Last is purely and 100% about vocal styling when she performs it. not all emotion has to be conveyed through or connected to the lyrics.

Even her tone is going downhill.
the nicest her tone has ever sounded is on SMFM, imo.

and live: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WhN9MeFRbjw

her timbre has never been better.


And unlike the other vocalists who were either on drugs for years, or have vocal conditions, Christina has nothing going on. She just has this tendency to be vocally ridiculous and it's not only damaging her vocals, it's so frustrating as hell.
it's not damaging her chords. she's been using the same technique for a decade now, and she's still hitting the same notes. this "forced tone" is only a temporary affectation she uses to sounds more soulful or powerful, i know that's what you don't like, but there's a misconception that it's causing her voice to go downhill, when in fact, she's improved 10x since the stripped era and the most recent Fighter & Beautiful performances are a testament to that.

[EDT]

Her debut era was my favorite too. For everything..but since we're on the topic of live performances...

The debut era was the one where I enjoyed the higherst number of performance. I mean certainly she had her share of bad performance (COOB @ The VMAs was...:noway: ) but her voice just seemed so elastic and effortless. She could get to all these notes and it seemed so easy.

It also had the best background harmonies on her album...I'm a sucker for harmony in the backing vocals for some reason :o

All those are the same reason that Daydream is my favorite for Mariah

[kristina]

Her debut era was my favorite too. For everything..but since we're on the topic of live performances...

The debut era was the one where I enjoyed the higherst number of performance. I mean certainly she had her share of bad performance (COOB @ The VMAs was...:noway: ) but her voice just seemed so elastic and effortless. She could get to all these notes and it seemed so easy.

It also had the best background harmonies on her album...I'm a sucker for harmony in the backing vocals for some reason :o

All those are the same reason that Daydream is my favorite for Mariah
The harmonies on WY alone, own her entire debut album. :nod:

And btw, I'm not completely slamming her debut era, I think she sounded amazing and I love almost every live performance from her... i'm just knocking down the theory that her voice is deteriorating because it's simply, not true...

[Chi^_^]

The harmonies on WY alone, own her entire debut album. :nod:

And btw, I'm not completely slamming her debut era, I think she sounded amazing and I love almost every live performance from her... i'm just knocking down the theory that her voice is deteriorating because it's simply, not true...

I agree with EDT. I prefer a large majority of her debut performances more than her current ones. But I do understand why people like her current voice. She does have this nice, booming, full tone now, but it's not something that she knows how to use well yet, I think. For me, the riffs still seem overdone, and there's much she can learn from her performances of WY or SMFM that she hasn't done any live renditions of or shown that she can incorporate that yet.

I still have hope, but this era wasn't my favorite. Stripped was all right on CD, but her live stuff disappointed me also.

I want a mix of B2B vocals with the consistency and effortlessness of her debut.

[~Crybaby~]

I love the harmonies in Without You and her tone in SMFM, but of course she's never done them live.

I can count on my hands the amount of performances truly I enjoyed during "Stripped" and B2B. I guess I'll just have to accept the fact that the singing style, the beautiful tone throughout the debut era is forever gone and just enjoy the rare performances where she isn't at an 11 the majority of the song. I just can't get into it. I've tried. :greyno:

[julie.]

I guess I'll just have to accept the fact that the singing style, the beautiful tone throughout the debut era is forever gone and just enjoy the rare performances
that's how I feel about Mariah to a T.

[Hemingway]

DEAD@ people comparing Xtinas crap floppage 'Without You' to Mariahs amazing worldwide #1 hit. Please go back to the CA forum and stay in denial about how irrelevant she became.

[kristina]

I agree with EDT. I prefer a large majority of her debut performances more than her current ones. But I do understand why people like her current voice. She does have this nice, booming, full tone now, but it's not something that she knows how to use well yet, I think. For me, the riffs still seem overdone, and there's much she can learn from her performances of WY or SMFM that she hasn't done any live renditions of or shown that she can incorporate that yet.

I still have hope, but this era wasn't my favorite. Stripped was all right on CD, but her live stuff disappointed me also.

I want a mix of B2B vocals with the consistency and effortlessness of her debut.
:nod:

But i mean, she was as consistent with GIAB as she was with ANOM. she was as inconsistent with ITTY as she was with Hurt. idk, other than the maturity or "fake" maturity of her tone, i don't think her voice has changed much at all. :confused:

[kristina]

DEAD@ people comparing Xtinas crap floppage 'Without You' to Mariahs amazing worldwide #1 hit. Please go back to the CA forum and stay in denial about how irrelevant she became.
um, nobody compared the two songs.

not once. :crazy:

[kristina]

that's how I feel about Mariah to a T.
same here. :laugh:

[Chi^_^]

:nod:

But i mean, she was as consistent with GIAB as she was with ANOM. she was as inconsistent with ITTY as she was with Hurt. idk, other than the maturity or "fake" maturity of her tone, i don't think her voice has changed much at all. :confused:
You know what performance I really liked this era? Steppin' out. She had nice control, beautiful diction, runs were spot-on, and she was relaxed and traversed her scaling with ease.

I'm still waiting for an HQ live WY or SMFM. :nod:

[~Crybaby~]

^ Those were my favorite this era.

[Tchelo]

Beautiful.

[julie.]

Steppin' Out was awesome! The one @ SNL was my favorite. They should have done a studio version.

[Hemingway]

^ Those were my favorite this era.
I hate how people use the term 'era' to describe an album. its not an era. B2B was out 2 years ago and had three singles. None of the songs that supposedly got Christina her 'respect' were even her songs and were not on her album :laugh:

[prd2bdomini]

Without You, On Our Way, Save Me From Myself, and Back 2 Basics Intro are my favs. from this era. And the singing style on MKOC and MR are perfection :love:

[Hemingway]

back to Mariah, the performance that this thread is about is hilarious in that Mariah sh*ts all over Mae Mae at the start of the second chorus when a younger slim(er) Mae Mae tries once again to outsing her. Back then Mariah just shut the bitch down EASY. :funny:

[EDT]

I don't think she was her background singer back then.

I think it was Kelly Price, Kelly's sister, Melanie Daniels, and sometimes that Cindy whatever her last name is girl

Mae Mae came way later I think..like into the 2000s

I could be wrong though..

[Hemingway]

Mae Mae was there even back then just not all the time. I remember her name from my major stan days in the 90s lol

[EDT]

I always picture Mariah in her shades on SNL whenever I read Mae Mae's name :nc:

[AprilS]

back to Mariah, the performance that this thread is about is hilarious in that Mariah sh*ts all over Mae Mae at the start of the second chorus when a younger slim(er) Mae Mae tries once again to outsing her. Back then Mariah just shut the bitch down EASY. :funny:

From left to right, that's Melanie Daniels, Deborah Cooper and Kelly Price.

[Hemingway]

she always picked fat bitches to sing behind her