Joe the Lying Piece Of Crap

[db44]

Joe "I blame Obama for ruining my life by dragging my name through the media" the Plumber apparently doesn't mind the spotlight all that much.

Joe held his own press conference last night, according to CNN, officially making himself a public figure. Of course, he endorsed John McCain, the man who actually mentioned Joe first and twenty-something times in the debate that propelled him into the spotlight (as opposed to Obama's less-than-ten mentions). In endorsing McCain, he said he was supporting a real American. He also spoke about how McCain is the guy to handle things regarding Israel, 'cause that's what Joe's apparent expertese is. :o

Rich Sanchez also pointed out on CNN, after reporting the presser, that Joe lived in Alaska for four years. And Sanchez of course pointed out the already known facts: Joe the "not-registered and therefore not really a" Plumber, Joe the Tax-dodger and so-on.

[DoubleEdgeSword]

He's gearing up to run for something.

[Annoyedlistner]

He's gearing up to run for something.

Congress......i read somewhere that he said he was thinking about running for congress in 2010.

Maybe he can serve along side of John McCain in the legislative branch of the govt.......

[db44]

Maybe he can use his campaign funds to pay off his taxes.

[Murrican]

Sanchez is, of course, the most biased and annoying of all the CNN talking heads.

What isn't in this reporting is that Joe the Plumber was actually officially campaigning on behalf of McCain. He has agreed to go on the road. This wasn't some ad hoc press conference as the original poster pretends. The fact he once lived in Alaska, works as an apprentice plumber for the company which holds a license, etc. is all old news (last week, at least) and not only irrelevant but privacy invasive of a guy who simply asked a question to a candidate from his front lawn when the candidate was mainstreeting down his street.

It's funny in very scary way how Obama disciples use nuclear weapons against fellow citizens who have their own opinions. Very scary. "Lying piece of crap"? -- you should be ashamed.

And, yes, old news again, fellow Ohioans are now pushing him to run for office. What a refreshing concept, a non-lawyer running for office...

Too bad the media digging into citizen Joe's past haven't reported a word about Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Khalidi, Rezko, et al, about whom Obama is in full denial.

[Incident]

You realize, though not from media coverage or the deranged lefties, that it doesn't matter who Joe is or what he has done or not done it is Obama's socialist/Marxist response to the question that Joe asked that matters.

[DoubleEdgeSword]

Deranged lefties?

[LesterX]

Consider the source, DES. Are you surprised?!?

[lions1mew]

<--- is skeert

DES ... does this mean that my left arm is deranged? Will it start typing random crap like Incident put in there?

[Murrican]

Of course, had there not beeen tv cameras and reporters following Obama's mainstreeting foray we'd never have heard of Joe the Plumber, or Obama's answer.

Deranged lefties and righties aside (not a World Series reference) it's disgusting the way the media (always, unfortunately) picks innocent people apart. Unfortunately, it's behaviour taught in journalism school (I know, I went to one).

Bias-free Journalism 101 -- the course untaught... the road untaken...

[Incident]

Deranged lefties?

I know, I know but it is nearly a semantic pleonasm, but there is the occasional lefty who is not deranged.

[Incident]

Of course, had there not beeen tv cameras and reporters following Obama's mainstreeting foray we'd never have heard of Joe the Plumber, or Obama's answer.

Deranged lefties and righties aside (not a World Series reference) it's disgusting the way the media (always, unfortunately) picks innocent people apart. Unfortunately, it's behaviour taught in journalism school (I know, I went to one).

Bias-free Journalism 101 -- the course untaught... the road untaken...

Have you read the Orson Scott Card (a democrat) piece on the Media?

http://www.ornery.org/cgi-bin/printer_friendly.cgi?page=/essays/warwatch/2008-10-05-1.html

[db44]

Sanchez, biased? I remember his MSNBC days when he was considered one of the more Right-leaning guys there.

[Murrican]

Have you read the Orson Scott Card (a democrat) piece on the Media?

http://www.ornery.org/cgi-bin/printe...8-10-05-1.html

Thanks. Now I have. Well-written.

[Murrican]

Sanchez, biased? I remember his MSNBC days when he was considered one of the more Right-leaning guys there.

Damning with faint praise. MSNBC is about the most left-wing media extant.

While the left-of-centre CNN bias has been obvious since its founding, Jack Cafferty and Sanchez most often go over the top. The rest I can take, and some, such as John Roberts, have indiscernible bias.

see below on Sanchez:

Did CNN's Rick Sanchez Push Left Agenda in College Interviews?

By Warner Todd Huston
April 21, 2008 - 13:30 ET

On Monday morning, April 21, CNN aired "America Votes 2008” with Rick Sanchez, (11:30 AM CT) a segment that featured reporter Sanchez visiting Penn State University to talk to some of the students about the upcoming Pennsylvania Democratic Primary. In the aftermath of CNN's visit, some of the students involved in the taping are alleging that Sanchez was so virulently skewed to the left that he berated and bullied students who held a differing point of view. It was reportedly so bad that CNN crewmembers even apologized to several students for Sanchez' incivility.

On Sunday, CNN touted Sanchez’ Pennsylvania segments as putting him "on the road in Pennsylvania ahead of Tuesday's crucial vote" and claims to be interested in "what's on their minds before they cast their ballots?" But at the Penn State University segment, at least as far as at least some of the students involved are concerned, what was on their minds didn't interest Sanchez at all. To the contrary, what was on his mind was all that concerned him they allege.

CNN contacted students in several political clubs at Penn State to arrange for the interview and two weeks ago their cameras and crews arrived at the university to film the segment with the on-air personality.

21-year-old journalism student Chelsea Brown, though, was less than impressed by Sanchez' bellicose confrontations during the taping with several of the students including herself. I spoke with Miss Brown after the interview and she told me was offended and shocked by Sanchez' lack of professional comportment.

"Not only were the interview questions blatantly skewed to the left, those of us that did not agree with Sanchez's political views were told that we were wrong and that we supported Communist thought for not questioning our government more (this related specifically to supporting the troops and their mission in Iraq). In a further discussion in which Sanchez was defending himself against "supporting the troops, but not the war," he told us that "no one really cares what the troops think anyway."

Miss Brown even told me that several of the crew members sought her out afterward to apologize for Sanchez' behavior, "probably hoping that I wouldn't speak to how poorly this reflects on CNN," she said.

Brandon Means, a Junior majoring in Political Science and past chair of the Penn State College Republicans, agreed with Miss Brown's assessment.

"I went into the interview expecting it to be biased, this is CNN we're talking about, but I didn't expect it to be an attack on Conservatives. There were four members of the College Republicans interviewed, and three democrats. The interview by Mr. Sanchez was atrocious. Never before have I witnessed such glaring bias in a member of the media. Mr. Sanchez didn't even make an attempt to hide his true beliefs."

rest at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/04/21/did-cnns-rick-sanchez-push-left-agenda-college-interviews

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Let's note that this site bills itself as "the leader in documenting, exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias."

[db44]

Oh, I remember the days of Rick Sanchez on Imus... Yeah, he was pretty much pegged by the I-Man as a right-leaning guy.

And not that I like to get bogged down in stereotypes, or that this is necessarily one, but exiles from Cuba do tend to side with the Republican party...

[db44]

Mr. Plumber was at a McCain rally over the last few days, even signing autographs? Yeah, someone whose life has been ruined and doesn't want publicity. What a display of hypocracy Joe is.

[Murrican]

Let's note that this site bills itself as "the leader in documenting, exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias."

Which is why source citing is critical.

I'm waiting to see something from "the leader in documenting, exposing and neutralizing conservative media bias."

[Murrican]

Mr. Plumber was at a McCain rally over the last few days, even signing autographs? Yeah, someone whose life has been ruined and doesn't want publicity. What a display of hypocracy Joe is.

Nope, he was out there on the road by himself, offering to help. And he was drawing crowds attracted by his everyman concern about Obama double-talk. Like referring to tax refunds to non-taxpayers as "tax cuts"...

Once again the messenger gets attacked.

Betcha Joe can spell, too...

[db44]

So that woman in pink standing next to him, claiming to be Sarah Palin as he stood there with his hand in his pocket, that wasn't Sarah Palin?

And when that unknown woman refered to the man next to her, the guy who got Obama to tell everyone about his tax plan (even though we all knew what it was already), that wasn't Joe the Plumber?

And being there, signing autographs, after coming off stage with the woman who claimed to be Sarah Palin, that wasn't seeking the media spotlight? Just going there, knowing he'd be a hero to these people, and a star, that's wanting his life back?

Aww, did I spell something wrong? is poor widdle Murrican offended by it? Did you get your mom to agree to letting you on this site? We do have such age restrictions for five year olds, you know. That's in both the new and the old rules.

[Murrican]

Did you get your mom to agree to letting you on this site? We do have such age restrictions for five year olds, you know. That's in both the new and the old rules.

Ad hominem attacks, the last refuge of scoundrels. I'm very likely older than you, and my parents are both dead. Thanks for the memories.

And, whether Joe appeared at a Palin rally or not is irrelevant, it's not in the article below...

October 27th, 2008 6:10 PM Eastern

Joe the Plumber to campaign for McCain

by Mosheh Oinounou

Joe Wurzelbacher, aka “Joe the Plumber,” will be making his first appearance on the campaign trail Tuesday on behalf of the McCain campaign.

Wurzelbacher will join former Rep. Rob Portman and several small business owners for a bus tour across Ohio tomorrow starting at a flag shop in Columbus with additional planned stops in Dayton, Middletown, Milford and Cincinnati.

McCain will be returning to Ohio on Thursday for a two-day bus tour of his own but no word as of yet whether America’s most famous plumber will joining the GOP nominee for that trip.

source: http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-for-mccain/

~ found with www.Google.com

[db44]

I attack often when attacked, you don't like the response, don't stoop to lowbrow comments about spelling. Start the fight then play the innocent? Lovely.

And you aren't getting the point apparently: I don't know if he was invited on the campaign trail or went on his own. That's not the issue. The issue is he's blaming Obama for ruining his life by making him a public figure, but 1) he's loving every minute of it and 2) it was he himself and John McCain which made him what he claims to detest. He has the same morales as you: Gets into something on his own, then blames the result on someone else, and in this case the person he wants to deface, not the person who is really responsible.

Let's look at the timeline, shall we:

1) Obama goes campaigning door to door in Ohio.

2) While going between houses, Joe approaches Obama.

3) Joe makes up a fictional life situation about himself: If he's a plumber, he's illegal, if he's concerned about taxes, he should have been paying them in the first place, and as one of my best friends would tell you (he's John the Plumber, the same profession as his own brother Joe), $250K is not your normal payout. Good money, yes. Not that good. Otherwise they would have stayed in their personal practicesm instead of going to do their things for bigger institutions. He also lied about being an independent voter.

4) John the Senator brings up Joe early and often at the third presidential debate. Obama refered to him a few times, but only as McCain beat Joe's name around like the proverbial dead horse.

5) Joe says he wants his personal life back, not wanting to be a public figure, even though he sought out the spotlight in the first place, and that it was the other guy who abused his name over and over again.

6) Joe, not wanting to be in the spotlight has his own press conference and starts campaigning for the guy who brought him up all those times at the debate.

Pretty much everything he's said since subjecting himself to the spotlight has been either a lie or a contradiction.

[Murrican]

The issue is he's blaming Obama for ruining his life by making him a public figure

Nope, blamed the media for intrusively and illegally accessing his government records and chasing him all over the place.

Blamed Obama for his bad answer.

And pointing a misspelling, not a typo, is a "low blow"? Sheesh....

[tiger_rascal]

Grammar Nazi!!!

[DoubleEdgeSword]

Joe now has hired a publicist. He's signed a contract to look for a record deal. He's also scouting about for a book deal. He's making policy statements on the national stage. He doesn't know what he's talking about, of course, but that isn't stopping him.

Joe, the plumber. Riiiiight.

[Whoda Thunk?]

Joe now has hired a publicist. He's signed a contract to look for a record deal. He's also scouting about for a book deal. He's making policy statements on the national stage. He doesn't know what he's talking about, of course, but that isn't stopping him.

Joe, the plumber. Riiiiight.


What a freaking joke!

[Incident]

I attack often when attacked, you don't like the response, don't stoop to lowbrow comments about spelling. Start the fight then play the innocent? Lovely.

And you aren't getting the point apparently: I don't know if he was invited on the campaign trail or went on his own. That's not the issue. The issue is he's blaming Obama for ruining his life by making him a public figure, but 1) he's loving every minute of it and 2) it was he himself and John McCain which made him what he claims to detest. He has the same morales as you: Gets into something on his own, then blames the result on someone else, and in this case the person he wants to deface, not the person who is really responsible.

Let's look at the timeline, shall we:

1) Obama goes campaigning door to door in Ohio.

2) While going between houses, Joe approaches Obama.

3) Joe makes up a fictional life situation about himself: If he's a plumber, he's illegal, if he's concerned about taxes, he should have been paying them in the first place, and as one of my best friends would tell you (he's John the Plumber, the same profession as his own brother Joe), $250K is not your normal payout. Good money, yes. Not that good. Otherwise they would have stayed in their personal practicesm instead of going to do their things for bigger institutions. He also lied about being an independent voter.

4) John the Senator brings up Joe early and often at the third presidential debate. Obama refered to him a few times, but only as McCain beat Joe's name around like the proverbial dead horse.

5) Joe says he wants his personal life back, not wanting to be a public figure, even though he sought out the spotlight in the first place, and that it was the other guy who abused his name over and over again.

6) Joe, not wanting to be in the spotlight has his own press conference and starts campaigning for the guy who brought him up all those times at the debate.

Pretty much everything he's said since subjecting himself to the spotlight has been either a lie or a contradiction.


It wouldn't matter if Joe was actually Charles Manson and he asked Obama if he would like to join his cult?
The only thing that matters is Obama's pro socialist answer.

[Murrican]

Let's look at the timeline, shall we:

1) Obama goes campaigning door to door in Ohio.

2) While going between houses, Joe approaches Obama.

3) Joe makes up a fictional life situation about himself: If he's a plumber, he's illegal, if he's concerned about taxes, he should have been paying them in the first place, and as one of my best friends would tell you (he's John the Plumber, the same profession as his own brother Joe), $250K is not your normal payout. Good money, yes. Not that good. Otherwise they would have stayed in their personal practicesm instead of going to do their things for bigger institutions. He also lied about being an independent voter.

4) John the Senator brings up Joe early and often at the third presidential debate. Obama refered to him a few times, but only as McCain beat Joe's name around like the proverbial dead horse.

5) Joe says he wants his personal life back, not wanting to be a public figure, even though he sought out the spotlight in the first place, and that it was the other guy who abused his name over and over again.

6) Joe, not wanting to be in the spotlight has his own press conference and starts campaigning for the guy who brought him up all those times at the debate.

Okay.

1. campaigning along Joe's street, while Joe and son are playing football catch on his lawn

2. Joe goes over and asks Obama about whether he'd pay more under an Obama Presidency

3. not fictional -- he's an apprentice plumber -- meaning he does plumbing aka a plumber -- under his boss's licence until he's fully licensed -- he was interested in buying the plumbing business when he gets his apprenticeship finished and what were the Obama tax implications -- told media his vote was his business and it was -- registered democrats or republicans can still be Independents, labels are misleading and usually a port of convenience

4. McCain referred to the lefty answer Obama gave to Joe, but Obama could not defend it -- the campaign suddenly changed because a face was put to the taxpayer -- which Obama-friendlies are upset by

5. he didn't seek out the spotlight -- he merely asked a candidate on his street a straightforward question and Obama gave a controversial answer which made the asker a media target, then a political target

6. a movement has started to get Joe to run for Congress and he volunteered to campaign on McCain's behalf

You need to work on your spin. As well as once again attacking an innocent, as Biden and Obama foolishly did, too, you have your facts all over the place.

Give it a break. You're in over your head on this one, at least. Oh, and also when you try to spell 'hypocrisy'.

[DoubleEdgeSword]

It wouldn't matter if Joe was actually Charles Manson and he asked Obama if he would like to join his cult?
The only thing that matters is Obama's pro socialist answer.


Paul, guess you'll be living in a Socialist nation, then. Awww...

[Murrican]

Some elements of socialism aren't so bad. The free healthcare up here in Canada came from a provincial political party called the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation back in the 1940s and went national in 1965. Even conservatives in Canada are overwhelmingly for it. The Conservative Party, too.

Speaking personally, it has likely saved me $100,000 just in the past 10 years -- hospitalization for two dying parents and me (not dying)...

[db44]

Okay.

1. campaigning along Joe's street, while Joe and son are playing football catch on his lawn

2. Joe goes over and asks Obama about whether he'd pay more under an Obama Presidency

3. not fictional -- he's an apprentice plumber -- meaning he does plumbing aka a plumber -- under his boss's licence until he's fully licensed -- he was interested in buying the plumbing business when he gets his apprenticeship finished and what were the Obama tax implications -- told media his vote was his business and it was -- registered democrats or republicans can still be Independents, labels are misleading and usually a port of convenience

4. McCain referred to the lefty answer Obama gave to Joe, but Obama could not defend it -- the campaign suddenly changed because a face was put to the taxpayer -- which Obama-friendlies are upset by...

6. a movement has started to get Joe to run for Congress and he volunteered to campaign on McCain's behalf...

Give it a break. You're in over your head on this one, at least.

An apprentence? Talking about buying the company he's working for? Making enough to buy the biz he works for, but too poor to pay his Bush-level taxes? You don't think any of the other people at the company - certified, licensed plumbers - also want to buy the company? And how funny it is, for a plan we supposedly knew nothing about, that Joe knew the exact number to ask about, huh? Making that much money, considering himself middle-class?

Which is exactly why Obama defended his answer perfectly. My mom ran her own small business, word processing. Didn't even come close to $100K a year. Let's see, I've had friends who parents owned mom-and-pop grocery stores, owned their own construction companies (in the sense of cabinet installations and such), who run (present tense) day-care schools. None of them made near $250K a year. Welcome to small business, that cap is fine.

If he didn't want the spotlight, he wouldn't have his hand in everything he has now. A recording contract? What part of what he did warranted that?

Spin it all for me oh guru. Wasn't the first McCain attack on Obama about being a celebrity? Now we have Palin on SNL, Joe recording country songs, and both of them stopping to autograph whatever people put in their faces. They are exactly what they said was bad.

Or read this, and tell me why your uncited it about Joe the Plumber is correct:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/joe-in-the-spotlight/?hp

Parts that stick out about our argument:

But when he stopped Senator Barack Obama during a visit to his block this weekend to ask about his taxes, he set himself on a path to being the newest media celebrity — and, like other celebrities, found himself under scrutiny.

An official at Local 50 of the plumber’s union, based in Toledo, said Mr. Wurzelbacher does not hold a license. He also has never served an apprenticeship and does not belong to the union.

Unlike some other states, Ohio does not have a formal statewide licensing system for plumbers. But the city of Toledo and other municipalities do, Mr. Joseph said, and Mr. Wurzelbacher has not met those requirements.

“All contractors are licensed, and he does not have a license, either as a contractor or a plumber,” the union official said, citing a search of government records. “I can’t find that he’s ever even applied for any kind of apprenticeship, and he has never belonged to local 189 in Columbus, which is what he claims on his Facebook page.”

And his question to Mr. Obama about paying taxes? According to some tax analysts, if Mr. Wurzelbacher’s gross receipts from his business is $250,000 — and not his taxable income — then he would not have to pay higher taxes under Mr. Obama’s plan, and probably would be eligible for a tax cut.

Let's hear it, buddy. Spin it for me. Show me how over my head I am.