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Murrican
Nov 19th, 2008, 04:47 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7735503.stm

It shouldn't matter to any one, yet it does, to some. To both his proponents and opponents. Colour matters, or it doesn't or shouldn't. In our normal lives, speaking to the regular denizens here, I'd wager colour, ethnicity and originin matter not a whit. They once did, and they do to others, but I sure doubt they'd matter to anyone here (I sure hope). It's the gray stuff between the ears and how you use it that matters to the modern person (despite online behaviours). I hope that's what the 2008 US election cycle changed once and for all. The end of stereotypecasting and all the baggage.

Last updated at 12:37 GMT, Tuesday, 18 November 2008

Viewpoint: Is Barack Obama black?

By Kimberly McClain DaCosta
Harvard University

Is Obama black? It depends on who - and when - you ask. For some of us, the heralding of Barack Obama as the first black president of the United States seems a rather uncontroversial claim.

"Obama isn't black. 'Black,' in our political and social reality, means those descended from West African slaves"

- Debra J Dickerson
Colorblind, Salon.com January 2007

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/01/22/obama/


Not so for others. One well-known African American writer, Debra Dickerson, famously objected that Obama is not of the people properly defined as "black" on the grounds that because he is not descended from slaves.

Ergo, he is not black - at all.

The bulk of the people protesting against references to Obama as a black man, however, grant that he is "part" black (by way of his father), but assert that because he also has a white mother it is not "accurate" to call him black. He is "in fact" mixed-race, they say.

Opposing arguments

My first reaction to questions about the "correctness" or "accuracy" of Obama's racial classification is to undermine the premise of the question itself. The search for the "correctness" of racial identity presumes that a definitive answer can be found.

It presumes that race is a real entity, something fixed, or natural. It seems to deny what scholars have laboured for decades to demonstrate - that the criteria used to classify people in racial categories, the categories used in a given society, and the uses to which those categories are put - vary by place and time. They are, as academics are fond of saying, "socially constructed".

Yet the predilections of the scholar fail to satisfy those who claim to know what race Obama "is", for these are really statements about what the speaker thinks he ought to be. When people insist that Obama "is" black, they point to his self-identification as such, and the assertion that when most people look at him, they see a black man.

Murrican
Nov 19th, 2008, 04:48 PM
following from above thoughts...

When Queen Elizabeth is in Canada she is the sovereign, the Head of State. When she isn't, the Governor General serves that role on her behalf. The Governor General is appointed by the Queen, officially, to sign legislation on her behalf and do other formal things, as Heads of State do... But in reality the Governor General is chosen in modern times by the Canadian Government of the day (actually, the Prime Minister) for a set term according to convention of about 5 years and the Queen agrees (or at least no one knows when she hasn't agreed). (BTW, the best-known Governor General remains Lord Stanley, the guy who donated the Stanley Cup to hockey in 1892 -- see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Stanley,_16th_Earl_of_Derby and the second best-known is Lord Grey who donated the Grey Cup to football in 1909 see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Grey,_4th_Earl_Grey) So, in recent decades the Governor General has had a background of French-Canadian, Ukrainian-Canadian, English-Canadian and Haitian-Canadian -- yes, the current Governor General of Canada -- Michaëlle Jean -- was born in Haiti, and, is female, although both sexes are appointed. So Canada's Head of State is currently dark-skinned and so will be the USA Head of State on January 20th.

Does it matter? Yes, that the colour/ethnicity/cultural origins are not limited, and no, not at all, both at the same time. Were they previously limited? Some certainly think so, and because perception is largely reality in politics, that's why the Obama win means something positive to even those who did not vote his way -- the people who didn't care about his colour or family tree, but disagreed with his politics or viewpoints. However, once the deed was done, to them it was the old "The King is dead, long live the King cry..." with the King in some ways this time meaning MLK, and the joy flowed forth. Those of us who witnessed firsthand Martin Luther King's oratory and cried when he died, feel good, no matter how we voted or leaned. We even saw that in the post-count words and actions of John McCain, the most Democratic Republican Presidential candidate in a long time.

In Canada we have also had a Chinese-Canadian woman (Adrienne Clarkson, from 1999 to 2005), who was previously a media icon, as Governor General, and, no doubt, some will say the ethnic barrier has now been broken in the US -- let them also think by the 2008 candidacy of Hillary Clinton that the gender barrier was also broken...

Murrican
Nov 21st, 2008, 03:37 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Television/story?id=6301702&page=1

Grier Promises to Roast 'Half Black' Obama

'Chocolate News' Anchor David Alan Grier on Comedy in the Obama Era

By SHEILA MARIKAR
Nov. 21, 2008

Watching actor-comedian David Alan Grier go off on Barack Obama, chastising the newly casual president-elect for dressing more G-Unit than GQ since Nov. 4 and bashing him for being only as black as a brown paper bag, one might come away thinking Grier's out to get Obama. That he wants to rake him over the coals. That he's not satisfied with America's first black president.

In some ways he is, and he does and he's not. But in a recent interview with ABCNews.com, the star of Comedy Central's "Chocolate News," who cut his teeth on "In Living Color," put reason behind his rants and talked about how he plans to craft jokes during the upcoming Obama administration. His approach: No holds barred but not all about race.

ABCNews.com: How will race factor into your comedy?

David Alan Grier: One thing that will happen, once the administration gets under way, it's not the blackness, it's just the behavior. That's what fuels political thought, conversation and humor. Every president does something -- whether it's tripping and falling off an airplane or something else that we can make fun of. That's not a racial thing. What's been so intriguing to me is negotiating race in public. We've never seen that. We've never had to do it at this speed.

We always fantasized about the first black president. Richard Pryor, Dave Chappelle -- everybody has done their riff on the first black president. Now that time is here. I think the race thing is going to get really old really quick if that's all people concentrate on. If that's all comics are concentrating on, it's going to get old really quick. We just have to dig and go from a different place.

ABCNews.com: What was the inspiration behind your riff on Obama being "half black"?

Grier: When I ranted that he's only half black so I'll only be half happy ... there was a part of me during the primary that thought he could actually win. And another part thought that it would be great if America would be ready for a black black president. There's something about being black black -- like Wesley Snipes "Blade" black -- that's the kind of black president that will intimidate you. That will make foreign leaders want to lock their doors. That's where that rant came from.

WannaBreatheYou
Nov 21st, 2008, 04:06 PM
Having a son who is mixed race (black and white), I can tell you Barack won't be black enough for a lot of the black populace, and he's too black for a lot of the white populace. I took my son, at 14 months old, to see his paternal grandmother at his paternal aunt's house 20 minutes from my house. His grandmother, who was in her mid 70's, sick with cancer and visiting her son and daughter from Florida, had to come out in the rain and cold in Tacoma, WA because her idiot of a daughter said, "I'm not letting that red-boned bastard in my house."

Yet, in kindergarten, he gets told by some other kids in his class that he can't play a game because it's for "white boys", which Jared isn't.

At 4 years old, he broke my heart saying he was praying to God to make him white, but God wasn't listening to him.

He's said a lot that he wishes he were all black or all white.

When asked what he is, he says he's "tan".

SparkleHugs
Nov 24th, 2008, 11:41 AM
Tell him to say he is American and that's all that matters.

Murrican
Nov 24th, 2008, 06:15 PM
Tell him to say he is American and that's all that matters.

Easier said than done, but I agree.

The school yard is tough for any one picked on, no matter the reason. The support we give to those under attack for no good reason is the most important thing we can do as human beings...