new song

[bunnycat1981]

"I ain't gonna take no more"

***link disabled sorry***

[bunnycat1981]

i don't actually have any info on this and haven't got time to look but thought i'd share it anyway..

[BSBSavedMyLife]

:eek: Holy crap! That's sexy as hell! It's him? Really? WOW! Now this....this is the stuff I know he's capable of. *smacks him upside the head* Wake up and smell the coffee, Aaron. You've got talent. *saves song to computer*

[bunnycat1981]

:eek: Holy crap! That's sexy as hell! It's him? Really? WOW! Now this....this is the stuff I know he's capable of. *smacks him upside the head* Wake up and smell the coffee, Aaron. You've got talent. *saves song to computer*

LOL.. i love the way you react to these things :)

[LargeandinchargE]

Are we sure this should be here?

[BSBSavedMyLife]

LOL.. i love the way you react to these things :)

:laugh: What? I ain't gonna sugar coat it. I like it. I'm listening to it for the third time in a row. It's a good song and I'm fairly picky on what I listen to. It's very now and very fresh. It's what he needs to get out there, but he's gotta step to it. This sound ain't gonna stick around much longer. That's how music is.

[bunnycat1981]

Are we sure this should be here?

not 100% no... i got no info on it so don't know anything about it

happy to take to down the link if it's bothering you though.. just say the word

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Wait...is this a leaked song or something? If it is, I'm a complete doofus. I'm fighting against leaked material and I listen to an Aaron leak. :rolleyes: Yeah, I'm smart. Oh, well. I'll destroy the file.

[LargeandinchargE]

not 100% no... i got no info on it so don't know anything about it

happy to take to down the link if it's bothering you though.. just say the word


It's not bothering ME, no...

but after the huge crap storm about leaked music on the BSB board I just think we need to be VERY careful about these kinds of things.

Bottom line....if it wasn't released BY AARON, it probably shouldn't be here.

Your call.

[bunnycat1981]

It's not bothering ME, no...

but after the huge crap storm about leaked music on the BSB board I just think we need to be VERY careful about these kinds of things.

Bottom line....if it wasn't released BY AARON, it probably shouldn't be here.

Your call.

it's a tough one... i might disable the link anyway to be on the safe side... can always re post it if more info comes up anyway

[Dnicki07]

I really really like this. :D

[Dolphinboy]

It sounds really awesome and it definitely has hit potential. A little too much autotune/vocoder effects on his vocals though, his talented voice doesn't really need such an effect although it does suit the song's style. This one is definitely finding its way onto my iPod! :)

[BSBSavedMyLife]

It sounds really awesome and it definitely has hit potential. A little too much autotune/vocoder effects on his vocals though, his talented voice doesn't really need such an effect although it does suit the song's style. This one is definitely finding its way onto my iPod! :)

I agree with the vocal effects, however, that's the sound right now. Almost everyone is using it.

[bunnycat1981]

I really really like this. :D

gets better on repeat ...aye rach :wink:

that's ok i've had 10 plays i think.... shhhh!

even if it isn't meant to be released i don't think one song is a bad thing... could be a good thing for him to see that he still has it and build his confidence again ...that's just how i see it

[LargeandinchargE]

gets better on repeat ...aye rach :wink:

that's ok i've had 10 plays i think.... shhhh!

even if it isn't meant to be released i don't think one song is a bad thing... could be a good thing for him to see that he still has it and build his confidence again ...that's just how i see it


Well, that would be fine except for the legalities involved.


As for the song, it's a bit overproduced. A more stripped down version of it would have been better. Just my 2 cents.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

gets better on repeat ...aye rach :wink:

that's ok i've had 10 plays i think.... shhhh!

even if it isn't meant to be released i don't think one song is a bad thing... could be a good thing for him to see that he still has it and build his confidence again ...that's just how i see it


:roll: Shut up, I'm still playing it. *swaying to the beat*

And he for sure still has it. This is his best sound yet. In my opinion, anyway. I would love to see him release a whole album like this. However, I don't really think it'll even happen. Not so much as to whether he can do it, cuz I know he can. It's a matter of him believing he can. Usually when a person becomes self destructive, it's a sign that they've lost faith in themselves. I could be completely wrong (and I hope I am), it's just what I've seen from other people in the past.

[suzannema2005]

see i told you,what did i say! have faith people!

[bunnycat1981]

Well, that would be fine except for the legalities involved.


As for the song, it's a bit overproduced. A more stripped down version of it would have been better. Just my 2 cents.

this is true..

oh no i think we all agree... lose the effects ...i also want to speed it up a little ...not a lot though ...but things grow on you further when you listen more ...so whatever ...not gonna complain about it

[BSBSavedMyLife]

see i told you,what did i say! have faith people!

I do too, but, in reality it's gonna take a hell of a lot more than a handful of fans to pick this up again. Dammit, Aaron. I could so smack you right now. *pouts*

[suzannema2005]

"I ain't gonna take no more"

***link disabled sorry***

reps for finding this!!!

[LargeandinchargE]

see i told you,what did i say! have faith people!


No, what you told us was that you didn't care whether he continued his music career or not. :wink:

[suzannema2005]

I do too, but, in reality it's gonna take a hell of a lot more than a handful of fans to pick this up again. Dammit, Aaron. I could so smack you right now. *pouts*

i know you do too!

:laugh: dammit aaron!

[Dolphinboy]

I agree with the vocal effects, however, that's the sound right now. Almost everyone is using it.

Yeah, and in cases like with Aaron's it actually suits the music style. But overuse of it and a dozen songs from the same artists with vocal effects can get tiresome and unoriginal and makes me question the artist's actual talent and musical integrity. Occasional use, however, can be cool, f. ex. as with Cher's "Believe", as a great touch to the song and how it was used on those particular parts of the song.

[suzannema2005]

No, what you told us was that you didn't care whether he continued his music career or not. :wink:

yes i did, but i knew aaron wasnt sitting on his butt and doing nothing like alot of you thought :nod:

[BSBSavedMyLife]

yes i did, but i knew aaron wasnt sitting on his butt and doing nothing like alot of you thought :nod:

I don't think anyone on the board has thought that. If they did, they were seriously mistaken. However, recent events make a person wonder how much of that is actual work and not play.

[LargeandinchargE]

yes i did, but i knew aaron wasnt sitting on his butt and doing nothing like alot of you thought :nod:


If he didn't spend years sitting on his butt doing nothing you'd have had new music a loooooooong time ago.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

If he didn't spend years sitting on his butt doing nothing you'd have had new music a loooooooong time ago.

True, I get whatcha saying.

[bunnycat1981]

:roll: Shut up, I'm still playing it. *swaying to the beat*

And he for sure still has it. This is his best sound yet. In my opinion, anyway. I would love to see him release a whole album like this. However, I don't really think it'll even happen. Not so much as to whether he can do it, cuz I know he can. It's a matter of him believing he can. Usually when a person becomes self destructive, it's a sign that they've lost faith in themselves. I could be completely wrong (and I hope I am), it's just what I've seen from other people in the past.

i stopped after the 10... thought i should go do something constructive

i've been good past few days... did you notice??? i only came and read everything and left most of the time :biggrin:

[BSBSavedMyLife]

i stopped after the 10... thought i should go do something constructive

i've been good past few days... did you notice??? i only came and read everything and left most of the time :biggrin:

LMAO! Yes, you've been very good lately. *hands you a cookie*

[Dnicki07]

This kinda gets me excited for what's to come... *crosses fingers* New music from Aaron in 2009 say what?!

[bunnycat1981]

LMAO! Yes, you've been very good lately. *hands you a cookie*

the cookie monster didn't eat them all!!!

yeah ...i had to get a manicure ...been busy LMAO!!...worst thing is that's about all i actually did!! ...OMG!!

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Don't mean to sound cynical, but it's just one song. I don't think we should get too excited yet. None of us know what's happening on the inside. He didn't even make the song public, so who knows.

[LargeandinchargE]

This kinda gets me excited for what's to come... *crosses fingers* New music from Aaron in 2009 say what?!


In 2009?

Maybe....

but don't bet the house on it. :wink:

[BSBSavedMyLife]

the cookie monster didn't eat them all!!!

yeah ...i had to get a manicure ...been busy LMAO!!...worst thing is that's about all i actually did!! ...OMG!!

:laugh: I'm enjoying my little vacation before I go back to school in a couple of weeks. Hence all the random graphic making and WOW time.

[LargeandinchargE]

Don't mean to sound cynical, but it's just one song. I don't think we should get too excited yet. None of us know what's happening on the inside. He didn't even make the song public, so who knows.


The fact that HE did not make the song public is what concerns me that it should not have been here.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

The fact that HE did not make the song public is what concerns me that it should not have been here.

That too. Leaks can be quite damaging if it's carefully done.

[bunnycat1981]

well it's not like this is the first place for it to pop up and there are still links elsewhere online and people are talking about it ...mostly good thankfully

i don't know where it originally started though... i'm being distracted now and trying to investigate it

[LargeandinchargE]

well it's not like this is the first place for it to pop up and there are still links elsewhere online and people are talking about it ...mostly good thankfully

i don't know where it originally started though... i'm being distracted now and trying to investigate it


Doesn't matter at all if this is the first place it popped up.

What matters is that if it's leaked music it could cause LD some MAJOR problems.

[bunnycat1981]

Doesn't matter at all if this is the first place it popped up.

What matters is that if it's leaked music it could cause LD some MAJOR problems.

well i'm trying to find out so we know either way..

[BsBrOx]

what is there to find out??

that was a serious question btw

[LargeandinchargE]

what is there to find out??

that was a serious question btw


If the song was not released BY AARON, it should never have been here.

And I do not believe it was.

[bunnycat1981]

what is there to find out??

that was a serious question btw

where is came from originally ...if it's leaked or if there's a release of some sort somewhere

[BsBrOx]

ohh ok gotcha..i just thought it was obviously leaked..

thats why i asked

[LargeandinchargE]

ohh ok gotcha..i just thought it was obviously leaked..


That really IS obvious in the sense that if it WASN'T leaked, I'm quite sure Aaron would have made it widely known himself.

[BsBrOx]

That really IS obvious in the sense that if it WASN'T leaked, I'm quite sure Aaron would have made it widely known himself.

yeahh thats what i thought..but i really have know idea so ill just stay out of it :)

[bunnycat1981]

ok so link was only up here for what 30mins before i took it back down... maybe that was too long ...but the point is i has been taken off the board

i have looked into it as far as i can at this stage ...waiting on people to hopefully play along and give me more info

[BsBrOx]

nvm

[LargeandinchargE]

it was other places before it was on here..


Doesn't matter.

[BsBrOx]

Doesn't matter.

yeahh i know..thats not exactly what i meant..i coudnt figure out how to say it..so scratch that

i kinda meant its already out there and so there really nothing that can be done about that...but i didnt mean that it should be on here just that its kinda over..or something??? idk nvm

[LargeandinchargE]

yeahh i know..thats not exactly what i meant..i coudnt figure out how to say it..so scratch that

i kinda meant its already out there and so there really nothing that can be done about that...but i didnt mean that it should be on here just that its kinda over..or something??? idk nvm


Yeah, I know what you're saying. Once it's out, it's out. My concern was about the rules and legalities pertaining to LD.

[BsBrOx]

yeahh i understand..and agree

[bunnycat1981]

what i was saying is it's no longer on here so it's not an issue anymore

and i agree that 30mins may have been too long... idk ...i took it down to be on the safe side ...i knew nothing at all about it when i posted it and still don't really

[Dnicki07]

what i was saying is it's no longer on here so it's not an issue anymore

and i agree that 30mins may have been too long... idk ...i took it down to be on the safe side ...i knew nothing at all about it when i posted it and still don't really

http://talk.livedaily.com/showthread.php?t=475051

That is so unfortunate...

[smeagols_twin]

I wonder who produced the song. I like it on first listen but hope he still has better than this. I wonder who leaked it.......

[bunnycat1981]

I wonder who produced the song. I like it on first listen but hope he still has better than this. I wonder who leaked it.......

what was the point in starting another thread? yeah i saw that..

there's no other info at this stage so all you can do is guess

[Dnicki07]

what was the point in starting another thread? yeah i saw that..

there's no other info at this stage so all you can do is guess

maybe the thread on the BSB board should be closed...

[bunnycat1981]

maybe the thread on the BSB board should be closed...

it's not doing any harm ...i just don't see the point in it

[Dnicki07]

it's not doing any harm ...i just don't see the point in it

For now.... hahaha the BSB fans... We're a bunch of crazies.

[bunnycat1981]

For now.... hahaha the BSB fans... We're a bunch of crazies.

this is true LOL

[AaronsShorty]

new song? whattt! i missed it! :(

[smeagols_twin]

it's not doing any harm ...i just don't see the point in it


Simply because i know aaron is working with Nasri and Mach1Music as the boys are and this may be a track that is produced by them and if not it is very similar to what the boys have been doing.

[Pnutz]

running LD Kills my cell in no time but.. OK my 2 cents? - Yes, Great Proves he has some stuff in the can ready to pop - but, Thats HIS call not anyone else's - and, part of the current "issue's" as was pointed out already just might be some self confidence issues.

Far as Ohh ust a taste cuz he's working with this or that? Im like ..HUH??? SO FREKIN what. -how could one relate to the other?

If I follow correctly then its Ok for someone to say Steal ur wallet and Take the cash - thats wrong correct? but. after its already STOLEN someone else see it and takes the credit cards and its Ok to use them?

People totally AMAZE me. why do I bother..??
Here is the Link about the TOS for live daily - should read them - might learn something..
http://talk.livedaily.com/showthread.php?t=662657

[HollyBird]

hey darlings...

the things you miss while away from LD...

[HollyBird]

I thought the new song thing was a rumor..

[blitze1471]

Can someone PM me the link? lol, I hate having a job.

[AaronsShorty]

i love it! i really love it! :)

we haven't heard a new full song from him in years so this is progress! it is only one song, but it's progress! go Aaron go!

[HollyBird]

OMG, I am dyyiinng over here..

[bunnycat1981]

um ..no

i took it down after thinking about it ..realizing no i don't know where this came from so it's not safe to post it here

just that people can still go find it if they want.... so short of following LD terms you can't really do much more

[aaronaccarterfan]

I want to hear the song can someone help me out ?

[LargeandinchargE]

I want to hear the song can someone help me out ?


You cannot request it here. It's against LD rules.

[smeagols_twin]

running LD Kills my cell in no time but.. OK my 2 cents? - Yes, Great Proves he has some stuff in the can ready to pop - but, Thats HIS call not anyone else's - and, part of the current "issue's" as was pointed out already just might be some self confidence issues.

Far as Ohh ust a taste cuz he's working with this or that? Im like ..HUH??? SO FREKIN what. -how could one relate to the other?

If I follow correctly then its Ok for someone to say Steal ur wallet and Take the cash - thats wrong correct? but. after its already STOLEN someone else see it and takes the credit cards and its Ok to use them?

People totally AMAZE me. why do I bother..??
Here is the Link about the TOS for live daily - should read them - might learn something..
http://talk.livedaily.com/showthread.php?t=662657

Was that to me? I don't understand what you're getting at. The song leaked onto the internet but we aren't sharing any links here.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Was that to me? I don't understand what you're getting at. The song leaked onto the internet but we aren't sharing any links here.

I think he's talking in general as to why the rules are the way they are on LD. There was a link posted here and it was taken down after it was realized to be against the rules. Leaked material is against the law and it CAN hurt the artist in the long run. People don't seem to get the concept of that. Just because some leaked material still remains on an album doesn't make it right to steal and/or promote the links. This can get people into serious trouble. Anyone who owns a leaked product can sue at their own discretion, plain and simple.

[smeagols_twin]

I think he's talking in general as to why the rules are the way they are on LD. There was a link posted here and it was taken down after it was realized to be against the rules. Leaked material is against the law and it CAN hurt the artist in the long run. People don't seem to get the concept of that. Just because some leaked material still remains on an album doesn't make it right to steal and/or promote the links. This can get people into serious trouble. Anyone who owns a leaked product can sue at their own discretion, plain and simple.

I do understand what you are saying but at the same time leaks are commonplace and part of the music industry. Although it may be illegal and i don't think people should spread links i do not condone people talking about leaked music or trying to find the music by themselves. I also know that it can "hurt" an artist but the only person who should be held accountable for this is the person who leaks it in the first place and really any feedback the artist can get is beneficial and a lot of the time it's the record company or the artist leaking the song though they may never admit it.

Leaks probably help the artist more than they hurt them in any case. After all it's the public who decide to buy the music so we may as well talk about the music that is available.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Leaks probably help the artist more than they hurt them in any case. After all it's the public who decide to buy the music so we may as well talk about the music that is available.

This is where you're wrong. Leaks can hurt the artist cuz the song usually isn't released as a single. Therefore, less money for anyone involved with that song. That includes writers, producers and so on. This is why they don't like it when songs get leaked. And according to the law (at least in the US), if you download music didn't pay for it, you're breaking the law. If I can find the article, there was someone that in the news about this. She got sued big time and jail time for downloading music illegally. It's not just the person to posts it, even just downloading it yourself is illegal and can be prosecuted of you're caught.

[Pnutz]

I do understand what you are saying but at the same time leaks are commonplace and part of the music industry. Although it may be illegal and i don't think people should spread links i do not condone people talking about leaked music or trying to find the music by themselves. I also know that it can "hurt" an artist but the only person who should be held accountable for this is the person who leaks it in the first place and really any feedback the artist can get is beneficial and a lot of the time it's the record company or the artist leaking the song though they may never admit it.

Leaks probably help the artist more than they hurt them in any case. After all it's the public who decide to buy the music so we may as well talk about the music that is available.

Sorry to disagree - but when 'Teasers' or 20 sec 'clips' are done for promo that is what is authorized and allowed - when a fully leaked PRE-production is Leaked it takes Any and ALL value away from even bothering to put together a package that will sell to a label - Who wants to buy or back a Artist that has a portfolio of a PRE-Release only to find that everyone already has it?
The value of that song is now - $0.00 - *POOF* ruined -and, its not easy trying to get back on your feet and bang doors for a chance to be heard.

Please don't EVEN try to justify any mis-construed notions of "Ohh its OK someone else leaked it 1st" Its Still WRONG - as I said before - Someone steals ur wallet - then someone else see's it and takes the credit cards and uses the excuse that ohh I didnt actually Steal the wallet but.. its Ok to use the cards? Still STEALING

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Sorry to disagree - but when 'Teasers' or 20 sec 'clips' are done for promo that is what is authorized and allowed - when a fully leaked PRE-production is Leaked it takes Any and ALL value away from even bothering to put together a package that will sell to a label - Who wants to buy or back a Artist that has a portfolio of a PRE-Release only to find that everyone already has it?
The value of that song is now - $0.00 - *POOF* ruined -and, its not easy trying to get back on your feet and bang doors for a chance to be heard.

Please don't EVEN try to justify any mis-construed notions of "Ohh its OK someone else leaked it 1st" Its Still WRONG - as I said before - Someone steals ur wallet - then someone else see's it and takes the credit cards and uses the excuse that ohh I didnt actually Steal the wallet but.. its Ok to use the cards? Still STEALING

Woooo! Can I get an Aaaaaaamen! :D

[smeagols_twin]

This is where you're wrong. Leaks can hurt the artist cuz the song usually isn't released as a single. Therefore, less money for anyone involved with that song. That includes writers, producers and so on. This is why they don't like it when songs get leaked. And according to the law (at least in the US), if you download music didn't pay for it, you're breaking the law. If I can find the article, there was someone that in the news about this. She got sued big time and jail time for downloading music illegally. It's not just the person to posts it, even just downloading it yourself is illegal and can be prosecuted of you're caught.

First of all, that's the artists choice or record label's choice if they decide not to make a leaked song a single. i can certainly understand why they want to as they want it to be a surprise but if it's a hot song people will buy it no matter how long it's been around. I am aware what the law is (althoug in Canada you can download songs legally for free last i heard) however morally for myself i don't see anything wrong with downloading leaked music cos if i like it i will buy it when it is officially released and if i don't like it then i'll delete the file.

I just always think of what happened with the Backstreet Boys and Incomplete. The song leaked to the net and then to radio and ended up becoming a massive success for them. Chances are if it were up to the record company they would have chosen something safer or more generic so in that case the leaks were good.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

First of all, that's the artists choice or record label's choice if they decide not to make a leaked song a single. i can certainly understand why they want to as they want it to be a surprise but if it's a hot song people will buy it no matter how long it's been around. I am aware what the law is (althoug in Canada you can download songs legally for free last i heard) however morally for myself i don't see anything wrong with downloading leaked music cos if i like it i will buy it when it is officially released and if i don't like it then i'll delete the file.

I just always think of what happened with the Backstreet Boys and Incomplete. The song leaked to the net and then to radio and ended up becoming a massive success for them. Chances are if it were up to the record company they would have chosen something safer or more generic so in that case the leaks were good.


No, no, no! You're missing the point. Music is a business. Without money, the whole thing will going down the drain. Leaked material = no money, deniero, moolah! That is why it's wrong or immoral to download the music. Unfortunately with today's technology it's impossible to stop them, this is why they push so hard to get people to not do it. This is why people have stopped caring about the well being of others. They assume that just because an album makes money that it's okay to steal. Hell no it's not! We lived without leaks for so many years and now people act like they're gonna crumble over and die if they don't hear leaked material. Have a little patience and it'll be worth it to everyone. I'm so done with this conversation. People who think in the way you do will never understand my point. I'm done.

[HollyBird]

sorry to disagree - but when 'teasers' or 20 sec 'clips' are done for promo that is what is authorized and allowed - when a fully leaked pre-production is leaked it takes any and all value away from even bothering to put together a package that will sell to a label - who wants to buy or back a artist that has a portfolio of a pre-release only to find that everyone already has it?
The value of that song is now - $0.00 - *poof* ruined -and, its not easy trying to get back on your feet and bang doors for a chance to be heard.

Please don't even try to justify any mis-construed notions of "ohh its ok someone else leaked it 1st" its still wrong - as i said before - someone steals ur wallet - then someone else see's it and takes the credit cards and uses the excuse that ohh i didnt actually




steal the wallet but.. Its ok to use the cards? Still stealing

ammeeennn!!!

[Pnutz]

First of all, that's the artists choice or record label's choice if they decide not to make a leaked song a single. i can certainly understand why they want to as they want it to be a surprise but if it's a hot song people will buy it no matter how long it's been around. I am aware what the law is (althoug in Canada you can download songs legally for free last i heard) however morally for myself i don't see anything wrong with downloading leaked music cos if i like it i will buy it when it is officially released and if i don't like it then i'll delete the file.

I just always think of what happened with the Backstreet Boys and Incomplete. The song leaked to the net and then to radio and ended up becoming a massive success for them. Chances are if it were up to the record company they would have chosen something safer or more generic so in that case the leaks were good.

remind me never to leave my wallet or my car keys or boat keys or,,, ANYTHING of value around you or anyone that thinks the same way,

If You didn't BUY it -it ISN'T YOURS - no free test rides - no mentaity of Ohh I didnt actually Steal it -someone else did and uploaded it soooo I'll help myself- <thats Condoning their actions and makes you just as bad--sry, just my feelings and upbringing -im used to being around trustworthy people

[smeagols_twin]

Sorry to disagree - but when 'Teasers' or 20 sec 'clips' are done for promo that is what is authorized and allowed - when a fully leaked PRE-production is Leaked it takes Any and ALL value away from even bothering to put together a package that will sell to a label - Who wants to buy or back a Artist that has a portfolio of a PRE-Release only to find that everyone already has it?
The value of that song is now - $0.00 - *POOF* ruined -and, its not easy trying to get back on your feet and bang doors for a chance to be heard.

Please don't EVEN try to justify any mis-construed notions of "Ohh its OK someone else leaked it 1st" Its Still WRONG - as I said before - Someone steals ur wallet - then someone else see's it and takes the credit cards and uses the excuse that ohh I didnt actually Steal the wallet but.. its Ok to use the cards? Still STEALING


I completely disagree and as i said in my last post incomplete by BSB is an example of that and i mean really do you expect me to believe that of all the "pre-production" leaks on the internet that none are leaked by the record company and artists. You are telling me that the people responsible for this music are really that careless that it ends up on the net. if they really wanted to keep it top secret there are ways of doing that. i understand sometimes it's a mistake and sometimes people hack into other people's accounts etc but not every leak would happen like this.

Since you like your metaphors so much. I am merely looking at the credit cards not using them. I have taken them out of the wallet but not used them and you know what i see the name on the credit card and i know it and can then return that stolen wallet to the person.

Sure someone could hand it in to the police but a lot of the time the owner doesn't go looking for that wallet they just cancel all their credit cards and start afresh.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Oy vey! :noway:

[Pnutz]

I completely disagree and as i said in my last post incomplete by BSB is an example of that and i mean really do you expect me to believe that of all the "pre-production" leaks on the internet that none are leaked by the record company and artists. You are telling me that the people responsinle for this music are really that careless that it ends up on the net. if they really wanted to keep it top secret there are ways of doing that. i understand sometimes it's a mistake and sometimes people hack into other people's accounts etc but not every leak would happen like this.

Since you like your metaphors so much. I am merely looking at the credit cards not using them. I have taken them out of the wallet but not used them and you know what i see the name on the credit card and i know it and can then return that stolen wallet to the person.

Sure someone could hand it in to the police but a lot of the time the owner doesn't go looking for that wallet they just cancel all their credit cards and start afresh.

Temptation such as you describe is a test - and. those with honor wouldn't "Pause" - Sry you failed the test by your own answer.

and, this wasnt leaked by a production company or a label nor was it a pre-release gimmick - it was from what someoen thought was a friend and made a bad judgement

[Dnicki07]

Some people have no class. :noway:

[smeagols_twin]

remind me never to leave my wallet or my car keys or boat keys or,,, ANYTHING of value around you or anyone that thinks the same way,

If You didn't BUY it -it ISN'T YOURS - no free test rides - no mentaity of Ohh I didnt actually Steal it -someone else did and uploaded it soooo I'll help myself- <thats Condoning their actions and makes you just as bad--sry, just my feelings and upbringing -im used to being around trustworthy people

I am trustworthy and many a time i have been given the wrong change or found money etc but have always given it back. I still buy cds. I am not stealing the money from anyone. Leaks create hype and interest around an artist and increase the chances of them selling a record.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Blah blah blah blah blah *plugging ears* Is someone talking cuz I can't seem to hear a thing. :)

[smeagols_twin]

Temptation such as you describe is a test - and. those with honor wouldn't "Pause" - Sry you failed the test by your own answer.

and, this wasnt leaked by a production company or a label nor was it a pre-release gimmick - it was from what someoen thought was a friend and made a bad judgement

What's funny is that some of the people who are arguing against me still listened to the song and exactly how am i supposed to know who leaked it! it doesn't say leaked by a friend and also with all the talk of aaron saying he'd put up new music soon i thought that it was probably from Twitter.

[HollyBird]

what a heated thread, this turned out to be..

[smeagols_twin]

Blah blah blah blah blah *plugging ears* Is someone talking cuz I can't seem to hear a thing. :)

What is it with people on this baord that they feel the need to be snide and immature.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

What's funny is that some of the people who are arguing against me still listened to the song and exactly how am i supposed to know who leaked it! it doesn't say leaked by a friend and also with all the talk of aaron saying he'd put up new music soon i thought that it was probably from Twitter.

We said it was leaked at the beginning of the thread. That's why the link was removed. It was announced to be a new song, which was the impression we had until further corrected. Once I figured out it was a leaked song, I removed the link from my computer. I never downloaded it, just listened to the clip.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

What is it with people on this baord that they feel the need to be snide and immature.

I think I'm entitled to one moment of immaturity. Everyone else does it around here. I do it once and I get shot.

[Pnutz]

I am trustworthy and many a time i have been given the wrong change or found money etc but have always given it back. I still buy cds. I am not stealing the money from anyone. Leaks create hype and interest around an artist and increase the chances of them selling a record.

perhaps you don't understand how the industry worksin the REAL World? or, perhaps somewhere in that cloud ur on you are not following the issue..

Once a Artist is under Label and has Sold or has Royalties and rights THRU the label its a whole different issue - when something is PRE-Production and is being put together into a portfolio for SALE to a Label - and someone STEALS it - it ruins any chance of Selling the portfolio or any of the remaining songs if packaged together - and,for your information there are 14 -that was one of them - the value of the whole PRE_PRODUCTION portfolio is now ZILTCH

and back to square one

[HollyBird]

man, now I feel awful..

I didn't know all that, just bits and pieces for the most part... WOW..
Shocking, really, I mean this song just sort of fell from the sky.. I mean, that's terrible.. It rips my heart out for him, because I hate that now he has to start all over..

So close, yet so far it seems..

[BSBSavedMyLife]

man, now I feel awful..

I didn't know all that, WOW..
Shocking, really, I mean this song just sort of fell from the sky.. It rips my heart out for him, because I hate that now he has to start all over..

Oh, yeah, the music industry is nothing like people assume it to be. It's even worse when it happens to an independent artist, which is basically what Aaron is right now. There's a LOT of steps that take place into making album. You don't just throw it together. It's a process, just like every other job out there.

[AaronsShorty]

man, now I feel awful..

I didn't know all that, just bits and pieces for the most part... WOW..
Shocking, really, I mean this song just sort of fell from the sky.. I mean, that's terrible.. It rips my heart out for him, because I hate that now he has to start all over..

So close, yet so far it seems..

wait just cuz this one song got leaked he has to start everything over?

[smeagols_twin]

perhaps you don't understand how the industry worksin the REAL World? or, perhaps somewhere in that cloud ur on you are not following the issue..

Once a Artist is under Label and has Sold or has Royalties and rights THRU the label its a whole different issue - when something is PRE-Production and is being put together into a portfolio for SALE to a Label - and someone STEALS it - it ruins any chance of Selling the portfolio or any of the remaining songs if packaged together - and,for your information there are 14 -that was one of them - the value of the whole PRE_PRODUCTION portfolio is now ZILTCH

and back to square one

Incomplete was pre production

[BSBSavedMyLife]

wait just cuz this one song got leaked he has to start everything over?

Yup! The song has lost it's value. If he'd been signed to a label and had some security, it might be slightly different, but, basically he's screwed.

[Dnicki07]

Oh, yeah, the music industry is nothing like people assume it to be. It's even worse when it happens to an independent artist, which is basically what Aaron is right now. There's a LOT of steps that take place into making album. You don't just throw it together. It's a process, just like every other job out there.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w154/DNicki07/1%20LIVEDAILY/img_0867.jpg

[BSBSavedMyLife]

wait just cuz this one song got leaked he has to start everything over?

That doesn't necessarily mean that he can't put it on the album if it's approved, but it's a higher risk song. It'll be placed at the bottom of the stack and he's gonna have to work harder. Happens to any artist who has leaked material released.

[HollyBird]

Oh, yeah, the music industry is nothing like people assume it to be. It's even worse when it happens to an independent artist, which is basically what Aaron is right now. There's a LOT of steps that take place into making album. You don't just throw it together. It's a process, just like every other job out there.

yeah, man that sucks big time, I mean wow. To everyone it was just a song that randomly was found. I had no idea, I don't think unless you really knew all about that, you wouldn't have known.. poor aaron, I don't even know what to say...

[HollyBird]

That doesn't necessarily mean that he can't put it on the album if it's approved, but it's a higher risk song. It'll be placed at the bottom of the stack and he's gonna have to work harder. Happens to any artist who has leaked material released.

yeah, I get that..

[AaronsShorty]

That doesn't necessarily mean that he can't put it on the album if it's approved, but it's a higher risk song. It'll be placed at the bottom of the stack and he's gonna have to work harder. Happens to any artist who has leaked material released.

but only that song is at the bottom of the stack. I'm sure he has others and as long as those aren't leaked he isn't really screwed right?

[BSBSavedMyLife]

yeah, man that sucks big time, I mean wow. To everyone it was just a song that randomly was found. I had no idea, I don't think unless you really knew all about that, you wouldn't have known.. poor aaron, I don't even know what to say...

You're right, no one had any idea of knowing cuz he's not in the big wig right now. The biggest fault would be of the person who leaked it to begin with. Now people are gonna encourage it.

[smeagols_twin]

Though they may have less at stake than the majors, indie labels are able to see the bright side of inevitable leakage, or are at least more accepting of the new reality. "It's only gonna hurt you if your record sucks," says Hall. "The way we look at this, and I think the majority of our bands agree, is: It's getting the record out there and getting people talking about the album. We don't have to add to that discussion, we don't have to advertise that it's available, but if you put out a good record, people are still going to buy it."

In any case, according to Q101's Spike, not even major labels necessarily object to a little black-market buzz. "I have an e-mail from the head of promotion at Capitol Records," he says, "with a printout of songs that we played from a leak of the Beastie Boys album [The Mix-Up], saying, 'Thanks for all the airplay, bro. I will never cease-and-desist you or tell you not to play any of my records.' The sentiment out there is, it's so hard to get songs on the radio now that if you're going to get that kind of publicity, you should probably just be thankful."

leaks are also a useful way to gauge the public's interest in songs without having to make the promotional investment an actual release requires. If a leaked MP3 doesn't stir up much interest on the Internet, it's probably smart for the artist to go back to the studio instead of shooting a video.

If there was ever really a battle over leaks, it's already been decided. Many hip-hop artists have gotten into the habit of releasing a steady trickle of material digitally, as soon as it's recorded. Radiohead have suggested they're thinking about doing the same, and the English band Ash recently announced that their new album will be their last recorded in a full-length format. Wilco's Jeff Tweedy told Spin earlier this year that he misses the "waiting for Christmas morning" anticipation that greeted old-fashioned release dates, "but at the same time, all the things people do to prevent [leaks] from happening just seem so counterproductive and just seem like so much wasted energy. I don't think bands should go out of their way to try and stop people from hearing their music."

http://www.spin.com/articles/days-leak

There are a lot of opinions in this article and some are like yours but i think it makes things clearer.

[Pnutz]

Incomplete was pre production

why do you keep referring to that? but,, since you do - Yes, far as I'm aware it was Pre-Production but.. and BIG BUTtttttttt - was pre-production while Under Contract and under Label < in other words -they were already signed they had protection -they got paid- not as a indie trying to beat his way back in. < he doesnt get paid or make a dime - its costing HIM to get Studio time etc. to do these not a label sponsoring him

Totally 100 % different issue than this matter.

[smeagols_twin]

Yup! The song has lost it's value. If he'd been signed to a label and had some security, it might be slightly different, but, basically he's screwed.

Isn't he supposedly with def Jam records?

[HollyBird]

oh boy...

[BSBSavedMyLife]

but only that song is at the bottom of the stack. I'm sure he has others and as long as those aren't leaked he isn't really screwed right?

Oh, no, anything that's not leaked would be safe. However, he's still gonna have to work harder to maintain his credibility. It looks bad on him since it was leaked.

[HollyBird]

Isn't he supposedly with def Jam records?

I actually don't think he's signed with anyone, atm

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Isn't he supposedly with def Jam records?

Unless I've been misinformed, no he's not with anyone right now. That would be why there's not been any material at all in the past few years.

[AaronsShorty]

Oh, no, anything that's not leaked would be safe. However, he's still gonna have to work harder to maintain his credibility. It looks bad on him since it was leaked.

oh ok that's good then. and yeah i understand the whole credibility thing. and it really stinks that its gunna look bad on him since it was leaked. it isn't his fault. stuff like this happens.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

oh ok that's good then. and yeah i understand the whole credibility thing. and it really stinks that its gunna look bad on him since it was leaked. it isn't his fault. stuff like this happens.

The music industry is one of the toughest industries out there. You do one wrong thing, the entire industry knows about it. It can shut a lot of doors that way.

[smeagols_twin]

Unless I've been misinformed, no he's not with anyone right now. That would be why there's not been any material at all in the past few years.

Oh ok, i swear he said on twitter or something he was with def Jam.

I do find it weird him being able to work with the producers he is working with if he isn't with a label

[AaronsShorty]

The music industry is one of the toughest industries out there. You do one wrong thing, the entire industry knows about it. It can shut a lot of doors that way.

yeah. that really sucks! well i hope it all works out for him!

[Pnutz]

http://www.spin.com/articles/days-leak

There are a lot of opinions in this article and some are like yours but i think it makes things clearer.

Good articles - except.. where they are from.. should link ALL of it and in the context its regarding - ref: RIAA views and Rulings - and im case you didnt know it Ar IS a license RIAA member and as such he does follow the rules and the LAW -
we arnt discussing NAPSTERS or Peoples wishes to continue to Illegally download songs - what we are discussing is how a artist that has been out of the loop and fighting to get back just got screwed - not about established indie artists avoiding paying royalties to labels etc and slipping songs into the free zone on thier own - this was a UnAuthorized Bootleg release - basically, from someone that was givin the privlige of testing it and seeing what they thought and slipped it out. not a indie artist letting one slide for fun.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Oh ok, i swear he said on twitter or something he was with def Jam.

I do find it weird him being able to work with the producers he is working with if he isn't with a label

Any indie artist can be taken in by a producer. A lot of producers spend their time finding people take under their wing. That's how they earn more money. It's a you scratch my back, I scratch yours. As for anything he's said on Twitter. It's all a bunch of BS. It was him being influenced by someone else.

[Dnicki07]

Oh ok, i swear he said on twitter or something he was with def Jam.


He was mentioning things associated with Russell Simmons. He said that RS, owned Def Jam.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

:roll: This thread is interrupting my WOW playing dammit. :laugh:

[lovethacarters]

wait. im confused. how is this one song leaking going to make it so he has to start over? hes even said he would release a free song. maybe this is it? and if its not and he really isnt alloud to put songs on the net because hes not signed then why would he promise us a new one? it doesnt make sense really to me. :confused:

oh and swagged up leaked and he didnt seem to mind. he just performed it.

[HollyBird]

yeah just small talk, in passing, nothing serious..

like facts of the day...

or

did ya know??

[BSBSavedMyLife]

wait. im confused. how is this one song leaking going to make it so he has to start over? hes even said he would release a free song. maybe this is it? and if its not and he really isnt alloud to put songs on the net because hes not signed then why would he promise us a new one? it doesnt make sense really to me. :confused:

Anything he said on Twitter was stuff he said because he was told to say it, basically. I don't really know how to explain it well. Maybe someone else can explain it better. I just know that this whole Twitter thing was forced on him.

[Pnutz]

Oh ok, i swear he said on twitter or something he was with def Jam.

I do find it weird him being able to work with the producers he is working with if he isn't with a label

well 'might' have heard that said by a certain someone that has a habit of self inflating stuff - and, since the humm wont say 'person' humm individual has been seen for what he is and totally has shown his hand -i wouldnt take too much he has to say between his rambles as fact. - unless you get him in between his religious preaching mode and the par-tay cut a few lines / smoke a few and drink a beer for b'fest mode -

but lot of his help is thru "friends" and hopefully will continue to listen to the few good honest hard working Friends he has left

[smeagols_twin]

Good articles - except.. where they are from.. should link ALL of it and in the context its regarding - ref: RIAA views and Rulings - and im case you didnt know it Ar IS a license RIAA member and as such he does follow the rules and the LAW -
we arnt discussing NAPSTERS or Peoples wishes to continue to Illegally download songs - what we are discussing is how a artist that has been out of the loop and fighting to get back just got screwed - not about established indie artists avoiding paying royalties to labels etc and slipping songs into the free zone on thier own - this was a UnAuthorized Bootleg release - basically, from someone that was givin the privlige of testing it and seeing what they thought and slipped it out. not a indie artist letting one slide for fun.

Aaron is an established artist? I thought what the article is getting at was the fact that the leaks do happen without the artist always wanting them too but some artists are nevertheless still grateful for the feedback and not trying to fight it.

[Dnicki07]

itsangelcarter: http://www.zshare.net/audio... check out Aarons new song!
less than 5 seconds ago from web


Hmmm, a single perhaps?


yeah, you have to go to twitter to get the link...

[AaronsShorty]

:roll: This thread is interrupting my WOW playing dammit. :laugh:

ok Nick! ;)

[BSBSavedMyLife]

ok Nick! ;)

LMAO! The boy hasn't been on WOW in weeks. I'm a bigger nerd than he is. :p

[AaronsShorty]

Hmmm, a single perhaps?


yeah, you have to go to twitter to get the link...

now that's interesting that Angel posted it. maybe it is a new song after all!

[AaronsShorty]

LMAO! The boy hasn't been on WOW in weeks. I'm a bigger nerd than he is. :p

hahaha
i've never played it but find it cute that everyone on LD got addicted cuz of Nick being all into it lol

[BSBSavedMyLife]

now that's interesting that Angel posted it. maybe it is a new song after all!

Still finding it weird that he's not said anything though. I'm thinking this isn't how he wanted it to go down.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

hahaha
i've never played it but find it cute that everyone on LD got addicted cuz of Nick being all into it lol

Not everyone. I learned about it from my friends. It's very addictive though.

[Pnutz]

yeah from what i understand the feeling is that its free reign now - its out - its open game - cant retrieve it - damage has been done--enjoy

[AaronsShorty]

Not everyone. I learned about it from my friends. It's very addictive though.

haha well i meant most of them on the bsb board at least lol
whats that game even about? what do you do? lol

[BSBSavedMyLife]

haha well i meant most of them on the bsb board at least lol
whats that game even about? what do you do? lol

It's kinda like Final Fantasy. You make a character and you go on quests. You kill things to complete the quests, return the item or items. You make money on the game by doing that. You can also do things like play against other characters or team up to defeat a piece of land, which is what Nick wants to do. It's a lot of fun.

[AaronsShorty]

It's kinda like Final Fantasy. You make a character and you go on quests. You kill things to complete the quests, return the item or items. You make money on the game by doing that. You can also do things like play against other characters or team up to defeat a piece of land, which is what Nick wants to do. It's a lot of fun.

wow haha
sounds like a whole other world lol and it does sound addicting and like something Nick would get into lol

[BSBSavedMyLife]

wow haha
sounds like a whole other world lol and it does sound addicting and like something Nick would get into lol

LOL! Yeah, it's fun to pretend to be someone else for a while. He's not Nick in the game. He's his character. I've not gotten to play with him in a group, but I'm cool with that. I just like playing the game.

[AaronsShorty]

LOL! Yeah, it's fun to pretend to be someone else for a while. He's not Nick in the game. He's his character. I've not gotten to play with him in a group, but I'm cool with that. I just like playing the game.

that's still cool though that Nick is actually playing the game, even if he is his character lol and good for you :)

[BSBSavedMyLife]

that's still cool though that Nick is actually playing the game, even if he is his character lol and good for you :)

It's kinda toned down though. He hasn't been on in about three weeks and a lot of people gave up. Guess you kinda know who's in it for the game and who's in it for him.

[smeagols_twin]

Apparently according to some blogs. it's aaron's new single.

A lot of the feedback hasn't been positive i have to say

Was the original link at the start of the thread a download or stream?

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Apparently according to some blogs. it's aaron's new single.

A lot of the feedback hasn't been positive i have to say

Was the original link at the start of the thread a download or stream?

It was a shareware. You could listen on the site or download, either one.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Apparently according to some blogs. it's aaron's new single.

A lot of the feedback hasn't been positive i have to say

Was the original link at the start of the thread a download or stream?

And that's no surprise that people would diss his stuff. He's always been under appreciate by the media. It's a pop artist. Only people who are going to like it are his fans, basically.

[smeagols_twin]

Ok so why is everyone saying "a friend leaked it" when he shouldn't have. Everyone's jumping on me for my opinion and it looks like it was meant to be leaked!!!!

[smeagols_twin]

And that's no surprise that people would diss his stuff. He's always been under appreciate by the media. It's a pop artist. Only people who are going to like it are his fans, basically.

That's true but most people who were commenting were commenting on the song and he needs a song that the public will like. I don't think he has enough fans at the moment

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Ok so why is everyone saying "a friend leaked it" when he shouldn't have. Everyone's jumping on me for my opinion and it looks like it was meant to be leaked!!!!

It's because some people know a little more about the situation than most. He jumped on you because of the fact he was trying to explain how a leak can hurt someone like Aaron. Besides...in Aaron's world, nothing is ever what it appears to be.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

That's true but most people who were commenting were commenting on the song and he needs a song that the public will like. I don't think he has enough fans at the moment

No one is going to like his music more than his own fans will. Why? Because he's Aaron Carter, pop artist. Just like Britney, Justin, BSB, and so on. It's all fan based material.

[smeagols_twin]

It's because some people know a little more about the situation than most. He jumped on you because of the fact he was trying to explain how a leak can hurt someone like Aaron. Besides...in Aaron's world, nothing is ever what it appears to be.

The thing is we don't know who leaked it and if it were meant to be leaked so how do we know how to react. If it were meant to be leaked and no one downloaded it then Aaron may see that as no one liking the song when that may not be the case?

Some people don't seem to know more info as Angel seems to be sharing it.

[AaronsShorty]

It's kinda toned down though. He hasn't been on in about three weeks and a lot of people gave up. Guess you kinda know who's in it for the game and who's in it for him.

yeah that's true.

[whitdawg14]

i dont think that it's "single" material. but very very glad to hear him. glad to hear a full song.

keep it up aar if you're reading this :)

[smeagols_twin]

No one is going to like his music more than his own fans will. Why? Because he's Aaron Carter, pop artist. Just like Britney, Justin, BSB, and so on. It's all fan based material.

With his fanbase being quite small at this point in time there is no point releasing a song that ONLY fans like.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

The thing is we don't know who leaked it and if it were meant to be leaked so how do we know how to react. If it were meant to be leaked and no one downloaded it then Aaron may see that as no one liking the song when that may not be the case?

Some people don't seem to know more info as Angel seems to be sharing it.


We don't, but others do. I'm not gonna go spreading other people's business, but there's a lot more going on that we realize. This isn't your typical leak, but I can't convince you otherwise and not gonna try either. Not my place to do that.

[bunnycat1981]

it also wasn't the first page ...i just linked to the appropriate page to save an extra click

it was rumored to be the first single... i don't know where that was coming from either

so is it ok then if Angel posted it? i'm confused ...or do we still stand clear of it

and what blog are you talking about? what i've seen doesn't have a lot to go on but i haven't been looking since i disapeared and i only just got back

i would believe he has better songs up his sleeve than this... even from what we have heard in short clips and beats and such

[smeagols_twin]

We don't, but others do. I'm not gonna go spreading other people's business, but there's a lot more going on that we realize. This isn't your typical leak, but I can't convince you otherwise and not gonna try either. Not my place to do that.

Ok. It's so difficult on this board cos many people seem to be insiders so i say something and then people are telling me "no you're wrong" but no one can tell me anything or provide any proof. Sometimes i feel like it's all a hoax.

There's no such thing as a typical leak and Angel posted it right?

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Well, I, personally, think the song is hot. I tend to disagree with most of the public about music anyway. I'm more one to prefer the songs that weren't released as singles. I always find them much better quality than the stuff I hear on the radio. Not always, but about 90% of the time, I turn the radio off.

[LargeandinchargE]

Oh ok, i swear he said on twitter or something he was with def Jam.

I do find it weird him being able to work with the producers he is working with if he isn't with a label


The only thing "weird" here is you continuing to spout off without knowing what you're talking about.

At NO time did he EVER say (on Twitter or anywhere else) that he was with Def Jam.

Please get your facts straight.

[LargeandinchargE]

Ok. It's so difficult on this board cos many people seem to be insiders so i say something and then people are telling me "no you're wrong" but no one can tell me anything or provide any proof. Sometimes i feel like it's all a hoax.

There's no such thing as a typical leak and Angel posted it right?


Angel posted it after the fact. The damage has already been done. What's so hard to understand about that?

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Ok. It's so difficult on this board cos many people seem to be insiders so i say something and then people are telling me "no you're wrong" but no one can tell me anything or provide any proof. Sometimes i feel like it's all a hoax.

There's no such thing as a typical leak and Angel posted it right?


I get what you're saying and this is why I said I wasn't going to bother trying to convince you otherwise. It's also why things are kept small around here because it would be massive chaos if it weren't. Just so you know, I'm not an insider in any way, shape, or form. I just have a few reliable sources that I go by and they do compliment everything that goes on in this board. So, that's where I stand on the situation.

Here's the thing with that song. PNutz asked me to explain this cuz his phone died and isn't around his computer to explain this. It wasn't supposed to have been release to the public. At least not by anyone besides Aaron. He didn't give permission to place it on the net for all to see. So, this was not an intentional leak of any kind. However, since it's already out there, he's gone back into his little cubby hole with his hands up. He's not gonna fight it, just let the public have it. So, therefore, it's free game. His sister being super supportive took it upon herself to reveal the song. It's still not an official release from him and he will still not get any money from this song if he gets the chance to make an album.

[bunnycat1981]

well it's made it's way on to youtube now...

and i'm not saying i don't like it ...in fact i like it better more and more

yeah i skip the songs on most albums that are on the radio too

[BSBSavedMyLife]

well it's made it's way on to youtube now...

and i'm not saying i don't like it ...in fact i like it better more and more

yeah i skip the songs on most albums that are on the radio too


*headdesk* I know it's free game or whatever, but I really don't see why people do this crap. Maybe my mother raised me differently, but I think that the song should be left alone until he wants it out.

[bunnycat1981]

i was just skipping around quickly seeing what's where... and if there was any further info anywhere

that's just all i came up with... anyways i'm going to bed i'm bored of all this now

[Pnutz]

Ahh Phew back to the room- 1st please excuse me but trying to do rss feeds to LD off a cell does wonders on a battery. and, TY Rach.

ref; this whole Song & Leak or Whatever - Ok let me Start with I AM NOT nor do I Officially Speak for AR - He is fully Capable of Speaking and When he does I can Assure you -If he wants You to Hear what he is Saying -You Will and usually Cant Avoid Having to Hear it. AND he says it LOUD and CLEAR.

2nd. As EVERYONE knows - Ar Does have a 'Official' Twitter acct as well as a Myspace acct and the ability to do a Facebook acct if he wants to open one, and, Uses them - Has ANYONE prior to this song being 'leaked' seen one Bit - Just one whisper From the OWNER of this Song even Hinting at Him Releasing it?

Has anyone considered that if it was Yours, Would you not be the One to proudly announce and make it available if you wanted it made Public?

I See no previous announcement do any of you?

3rd. Once the Bird is out of the cage and flown out the window -it's a little late in even trying to catch it - same as this - its out there - gone Poof any 'surprise' or sales value is shot - gone. and, Yes, Indeed it is nice to hear he still has it (as several peep have pointed out)

And, as the Reputable and Professional Studio and Agency that these were recorded at also announced that was a remarkable session and all the finished songs should be a Gem well worth waiting for. And had placed all of them in a portfolio of songs to present to Labels etc for consideration and possible backing or contract. (which includes this song)

Which, as Several people on here that do know a few of the 'issues' that have been occurring behind the scenes were in nice ways trying to share that the problem isn't getting him to record or studio time but, possibly the issue of him actually doing something with some damm good songs and getting busy to get labels to run with them.

Instead of wasting his time doing extra curricular activities. And wishing and Hopeing and, yes Praying that he would Jump back into the swing. And, away from certain aspects of.. hummm shall we say?? well lets not - I'm sure all of you already know exactly what I mean. Plus, a Certain 'unnamed' Individual is rather upset with me at present for Intervening in the removal or intervention of his 'cash cow' and I don't like being tied up in litigation.

But Ok so the songs out - what do you do? can't snatch out and erase it? can't get a re-do = all you can do is make the best of it and go ahead and might as well share it now and get a Someone that is known and Close to you and Reputable to Re-Sponsor a Link to it - and semi recover and post it and get reactions etc.

The damage is done ..So you sit back re-adjust and go with the flow and form a backup plan <,which.. OK how long has this already taken? and, now having to re-plan?

Again, Let me remind you - I am NOT Him nor, do I Speak For him . but.. the way I see it and, based on what I am familiar with in the industry and how it really works..( and yes, I do have family Directly involved in the industry and know damm well how things work)

This wasn't meant to happen this way. - All we can hope or is a Safe Landing right now and hopefully that it may work out for the best.

I am quite sure as talented as he is that IF and WHEN HE < and HE ALONE wanted to give the General Public a song he could do it in a flash. On HIS timing and HIS schedule -not re-scheduling stuff at last minute because of a careless and unthoughtful Leak. > Myself? if it was me or my song..I'd be thoroughly Pissed.

Again, I Don't know 1st hand - but, Seems that if he wanted it Out he would have spoken up by now??? Lil Braggin rights maybe? Anyone that has known him knows how that works -Im sure..

Unfortunately, it also seems that some people weren't aware of the difference of what a Indie Artist 'Without' a Contract to a label and trying to get under contract - is different than a artist that is already under a contract and has contractual protection in the event of a 'leak' or unauthorized release.

And, there are MAJOR differences. Such as Working sweat and blood and out of your own pocket vs. being advanced and fronted funds and payment. < No big deal huh? Anyone here want to venture a wild guess at what studio time costs? toss in a union Mixer at the board , and a Cutter splicer and audio mixer and equipment - and the toss in stamping fees and back up singers, lighting, audio background tracks, filtering,tracking and queuing etc.. give ya a hint - the 'rough' cost of ONE HOUR - (after waiting appox 3 weeks for a spot btw) . at say humm Universal - is about $2,500.00 for the BASIC set up for ONE HR off peak. IF and that's a Big IF a indie can get sponsored to even get listed for a spot.

But,, no big deal to just "'ohh heres a pirate upload - I want it - it must be Ok cuz others do it"

Aaron, I feel for ya Bro - and hope and pray all works out. and things manage to fall in place.


me.. im disgusted at leakers and pirates that only think about the & "Me first- Screw u" at all the Hard and dedicated work a Artist puts into a song just to have them steal it.

And the tensions and frustrations and fears and uncertainty and support by friends and family and how good friendships can be affected by the stress etc.

Said my Piece - and again this is MY Opinion and MY feelings - No one put me up too it nor did I need any outside or inside prodding to voice it.

[smeagols_twin]

I'm sorry for causing all the fuss. It's just from my point of view a lot of music that is leaked is done from the industry and usually it isn't announced as the person wants to test the waters. I did think this was the case with Aaron. I mean i am patient to hear the new stuff and i would buy it whether i had downloaded it or not.

If there was a leak that Aaron didn't want and said so i wouldn't share though i admit i would still look for it and want to hear it because i am a fan and am curious and chances are if i don't hear it now i may never hear it and it would stay unreleased.

By the way to whomever posted to me about me needing to get my facts straight, I never said he was with Def Jam i asked if he was and then commented on it being strange. I did find it a little odd that people like Claude Kelly and Neptunes would work with an independent artist merely due to financial reasons. I know Aaron has money but i didn't think he would have enough to work with big producers like the Neptunes.

[LargeandinchargE]

Oh ok, i swear he said on twitter or something he was with def Jam......


???

That looks like a statement, not a question.

[smeagols_twin]

???

As someone said before i must've gotten mixed up with him saying he worked with someone or met someone that was with Def Jam and i remember Misha posted about an event where Def Jam were announcing all the new albums coming out and i assumed it was to do with Aaron.

I also was under the impression that Aaron was with a record label since his myspace says he is but i realise this may be outdated.

[smeagols_twin]

???

That looks like a statement, not a question.

The post before that was a question. The "oh ok" was acknowledging the answer and what followed that was the reasoning for me thinking why i thought he was with Def Jam.

I didn't say "well on twitter he said this so it has to be true"

[Pnutz]

I'm sorry for causing all the fuss. It's just from my point of view a lot of music that is leaked is done from the industry and usually it isn't announced as the person wants to test the waters. I did think this was the case with Aaron. I mean i am patient to hear the new stuff and i would buy it whether i had downloaded it or not.

If there was a leak that Aaron didn't want and said so i wouldn't share though i admit i would still look for it and want to hear it because i am a fan and am curious and chances are if i don't hear it now i may never hear it and it would stay unreleased.

By the way to whomever posted to me about me needing to get my facts straight, I never said he was with Def Jam i asked if he was and then commented on it being strange. I did find it a little odd that people like Claude Kelly and Neptunes would work with an independent artist merely due to financial reasons. I know Aaron has money but i didn't think he would have enough to work with big producers like the Neptunes.

They along with certain others are personal friends and or, close friends of personal friends and trying to help best they can-they have been thru the struggle and know how it feels and know that Ar has talent and is worth reaching out for and trying to help.

There is A LOT more to all this that I would like to Share but, legally, and due to some factors beyond my control (or Ar's as of right now) I'm not allowed to comment on - but, can say that this incident has hurt in ways that a lot of you don't know or can't understand right now. But, may soon be made public.

What the general public see's is what the Suits allow them to see and you only get to see about 10% of how decisions are made by the back office and little phone calls and luncheons - I see it 1st hand cus of my grrr hate to say but grrr Future Brother in Law (not cus he is going to be , but cus of his job) and Yes, He is one of the Makers or,, hint droppers and when i say drop i mean one bad word and someone is dropped.

But, alot was riding on this portfolio - ALOT - I hope he can recover. This was his way out of a Very ?? hummm Grr I cant say -but, this was his way out. and now??? who knows?? I hope he doesnt get dragged down too far where he can't grab a hand to help pull him out..(if there are any hands left to reach out)

Alot of people went outta thier way to try to step in and were 'walled' cus of 'influense' and I hope someone is realizing that now and can undo some of the damage left behind.

thats about all I can say without crossing the line - others know and they are free to step in and try explaining They are ot under a CA -I am and,- I can't nor do I like litigation issue's with the 'New Management'
sry.

[smeagols_twin]

I appreciate you explaining things. I don't know what to believe but i do understand there is a lot i don't understand lol. Maybe deniro leaked the song? from what you guys have told me he seems to be the bad guy and he would certainly have access to some of aaron's new material and as it seems Aaron is "waking up" to who deniro is maybe he wanted to drag aaron down by releasing the track. I don't know. I don't understand how one song ruins a portfolio of work. Music is music and how do the labels know what was on what portfolio etc?

[Pnutz]

I appreciate you explaining things. I don't know what to believe but i do understand there is a lot i don't understand lol. Maybe deniro leaked the song? from what you guys have told me he seems to be the bad guy and he would certainly have access to some of aaron's new material and as it seems Aaron is "waking up" to who deniro is maybe he wanted to drag aaron down by releasing the track. I don't know. I don't understand how one song ruins a portfolio of work. Music is music and how do the labels know what was on what portfolio etc?

alot oftimes and depending on the situation - there are numerous ways to get studio time and sometimes it involves entering into a 'limited partnership' hence all the tracks are put into a pkg and sent out and hope a label has interest -if so they buy the package , even if they only want the one - and then the suudio gets thier cut and the artist might get a contract for more. - or, if the pkg doesn't move nd the artist moves on and comes under say "new management' then the new management has rights to the pkg <, and,,,, there is the line i can't cross

[Pnutz]

Speaking of Leaked or STOLEN Music and the people that Practice the Art of Thievery and Pirating.

< But, "Ohh that's right - It Must be Ok because they stole it first and would give someone else the 'right' to Re-Steal it and be justified?" My, my, what ever was I thinking -shame on me.

I Found this Post Very Amusing indeed - posted on a torrent Site - where the Hackers were Complaining and Wanting Protection from the Site Admins about people Stealing their Stolen work - Ironic huh?
Even thieves don't have any honor between thieves.

http://torrentfreak.com/someone-is-leaking-our-torrents-burn-him-090208/

Someone is Leaking Our Torrents - BURN HIM!
Written by enigmax on February 08, 2009

The entertainment industry is furious about its treatment at the hands of pirates. Last year, even the creator of iPhone cracking-app Crackulous got pretty annoyed when his work leaked. But it’s not just content creators that get angry at pirates - and this is where it starts to get a little confusing.

The following story revolves around a small private BitTorrent tracker, one that specializes in various sub-genres of urban music. There is no work of mainstream artists at all, so there aren’t really any copyright worries, particularly since many artists and people from labels are active members of the site. The site even has its own album in the making.

The tracker makes its own ’scene’-type releases too, often in advance of true scene groups and often at a better quality. Some members who have these to share choose to put them up as ‘Site-Only’, and issue an order not to leak outside of the tracker. But to the dismay of some members of the site these exclusive releases leak too. Absolutely everything. Damn pirates.

Within minutes of upload, these releases spread to many blog-type sites, in particular Russian ones. Not only was someone inconsiderately leaking an already-leaked release, but they also had the nerve to remove the tracker’s release ‘tags’ from its description, passing the work off as their own. There was a leaker in town - maybe more than one - who knows, but the “Site-Onlys” were tunneling out and the recriminations had begun.

A handful of upset releasers threatened to stop sharing their exclusive stuff, while becoming quite vocal about how much time, effort and in some case money they put into their position. Then, they say - despite all the pleas - people go ahead and leak the releases - and they don’t even pause to say “thanks”. Bastards.

It wouldn’t be difficult to imagine a similar situation in the ‘real Scene’, where angry release groups simultaneously cursed the evil individual who constantly leaked their releases to the tracker. “If only they could find him and ban him,” they would muse, it would cut off the music supply and rid the tracker of most of its releases. One could imagine a similar scene at a recording label as they ponder the route of their latest leak to Internet.

Back at the tracker the community began to panic. They were thinking of all the stuff they were going to miss out on when the releasers kept their candy to themselves. They were absolutely clear, the admin had to do something. One member said:

Someone is leaking our torrents, we lose our exclusives? Find him in the logs! BURN HIM!

An admin on the site involved told TorrentFreak that this happens often. “We could track the leaker but then what, ban him? He’s just sharing it with his own site but they[the site's releasers] want action.”

Lots of ’solutions’ were put forward. One group wanted a ‘private-sharing area’ from where (apparently) nothing could leak, since access to it would be limited and the section would be “invite only”. The whole site is a very limited membership already and is also “invite-only” and thrives on the work of “leakers”. Hmmm, interesting.

Some members puzzled over why people would want to “ruin the site” by leaking stuff outside and derided the Russian sites as pure evil, their uploaders thieves and demanded them traced and kicked from the site.

Others suggested a complicated tiered-membership system as a kind of proving ground for ultimate access to the “Site-Only” material. Others wanted a tracker-wide Russian IP ban, others wanted a paid-subscription area. Some opted that access to the “Site-Only” stuff should be based an algorithm calculated from ratio, forum posts, time on the site and other sundry stats.

Ultimately a handful of releasers wanted a guarantee from the admin that nothing would leak, something impossible to give.

While the very nature of things like BitTorrent means that people have to share files, it is interesting to see how some file-sharers can be as protective of the content they handle, as the people who created it. Their reasons are very different, but with all the talk of anger at leaks, of locking out an entire country’s citizens, proposals of denying access to all but those who could afford it and mounting a worldwide witch-hunt for leakers, there are some intriguing parallels.

“We caught the leaker,” the admin told us. “He’s one of our best releasers…”

Better put the burning on hold.

[blitze1471]

First off, "I ain't gonna take no more" of this fightin' lol

Secondly, guys, seriously, the song's out. It was leaked. We can't do anything about it now. There's no reason for all of us here to be bickering back in forth in one of the ONLY places that we can all come together and be fans.

We need to be happy (like some people have said) that there is REAL music being made (I'm talking lyrics and EVERYTHING lol) and it just happened to get into the wrong hands. But at least we have something to look forward to this. I love this song! This is exactly the kind of stuff I was saying he SHOULD be writing about. I think if some people heard this song on the radio right now, they wouldn't have any idea that it was Aaron (and therefore wouldn't remember back to "Aaron's Party" days, etc.) This is great song he could transition back into the music industry with. If this isn't the song he can use anymore though, then obviously there's more where it came from which is awesome!

Let's stop being all b***** with eachother and be grateful that we at least have something. Do I believe people should rip off artists by leaking their songs? No, but do I download leaks? Absolutely. Everyone does. Can you blame anyone hear for being happy this got leaked? NO! lol.

Come on peeps, seriously...

[Pnutz]

First off, "I ain't gonna take no more" of this fightin' lol

Secondly, guys, seriously, the song's out. It was leaked. We can't do anything about it now. There's no reason for all of us here to be bickering back in forth in one of the ONLY places that we can all come together and be fans.

We need to be happy (like some people have said) that there is REAL music being made (I'm talking lyrics and EVERYTHING lol) and it just happened to get into the wrong hands. But at least we have something to look forward to this. I love this song! This is exactly the kind of stuff I was saying he SHOULD be writing about. I think if some people heard this song on the radio right now, they wouldn't have any idea that it was Aaron (and therefore wouldn't remember back to "Aaron's Party" days, etc.) This is great song he could transition back into the music industry with. If this isn't the song he can use anymore though, then obviously there's more where it came from which is awesome!

Let's stop being all b***** with eachother and be grateful that we at least have something. Do I believe people should rip off artists by leaking their songs? No, but do I download leaks? Absolutely. Everyone does. Can you blame anyone hear for being happy this got leaked? NO! lol.

Come on peeps, seriously...

LOL I agree with the not 'fighting" nor do I mean to come off as Arguing or Fighting- Please excuse me if anything I have said was mistaken as being directly aimed or mean spirted.

I merely was trying to Clear up and Point out the Importance and Sensitivity of this particular batch of Songs. and, try to Clarify the difference between a Artist that is safely in a position and can Afford a lil leak now and then and someone fighting to get back in the door before certain events may take place and, ((least in my opinion as well as others )) and, for him to have that fighting chance to have gotten this possible album heard and picked up by a REPUTABLE Label, while the doors were still somewhat open to him.

And, before the possibility of Being tagged or whatever which may be in the very near future as what the Exec's would consider - 'Humm yeah, thats nice-Who was it? Ohhhh NVM -NEXT" and get the lil smile and the shake as its being twisted in him as they show him out. because of 'associations'

The Industry works in Strange ways - and Cruel ways and alot of Good Upstanding upcoming Artists are shut down at the door due to simple little mistakes or associations in thier past -and I only pray he looks real close before he jumps any further in the direction he is about to be reaching in - for that Nice Fat Fancy Hollowed Out Dangling Carrott suspended over a Nice Big Pool - off a Nice High Deck - But, Too bad .... No Water. just a empty Backdrop with fancy lights and glittery promises.

The Timing for this unfortunate issue could NOT have been worse. As, Some will soon find out.

And, Yes .. even thou I'm no pop or, bubble gummy 'aficionado' and, been around it (from several sources) all my life - yes, thats right people -lol Strange as it sounds I'm more into Hip-Hop, Rap, (well, clean rap) on one side and, Classical and Opera on the other. -LOL Scared yet?

But, I Do think it's a Great example of He still Has what it takes and Still has a Firm Solid Grasp on Putting it all Together and that there is more where that came from and.. least in my humble opinion, even Better.

Big Lou is out of the Picture, But I soo wish someone could find that Magnet or whatever that somehow, someway draws them too him. or, he would use that little internal warning mechanism inside of him to avoid situations that are possible forming and he refuses to listen to people that he SHOULD be listening too.

He is Good People - and hate to see the good ones be swayed and lead down what is Painted and Disquised as the Primrose Path - but, may be the Short cut to the Gutter.

[HollyBird]

holy crap. I felt like I just read a novel.. A long-music-industry tell-all. fascinating...

Very, very interesting and thought-provoking.. I learned a lot in reading all this and now better understand the situation now. Some things I didn't know. I am glad I am much more aware of how it all works, I hope he can find his way, I know he can, and he still keeps on trying to get a deal. He's got mad talent and I hope he can make it work, if he wants too.

Thanks to pnutz, reps to you forever.. You have opened all our eyes to what was really going on, and I am forever appreciative and thank you for clearing up it all to us, who otherwise wouldn't have known. Also, whether or not anyone tells you, you taught us a lot about the whole process and what aaron is really trying to do. Thank you again.

[Pnutz]

OK on the brighter side- Someone mentioned that they were Canadian - little trivia for you?

Were you aware that the Canadian National Anthem (O’Canada) was the world’s second most Semi-legally Pirated song between the years of 1880 to 1967?

And was copied or Re-done by over 10 different artists?

And that the original Composer of the Song (Calixa Lavallée) didn’t just come up with it, but was Commissioned by The Honorable Théodore Robitaille, Lieutenant Governor of Quebec to write the lyrics to match a poem written by Judge Adolphe-Basile Routhier Who, was also commissioned? To be played at the National Congress of French-Canadians on June 24, 1880 (Which was also the Anniversary date of St. Jean-Baptiste Day)

And that the original Composer Calixa Lavallée was never even credited with it even up to their death in 1891?

Even thou 2 successors had legally managed to copyrighted their versions of the original song?

It wasn't until 1967 that the Canadian Gov't Officially declared O' Canada as its national anthem and, During the Need to formally credit it and copyright it for eternal use and granting it Formal Government Status It was then discovered that the original writer had never even signed it. Due to his rush to present it.

LOL Interesting Huh? Yeah—LOL wasn’t me –got a bud here that is kind?? Of a music Geek (LMAO) - yes, he is kind of ‘Involved’ In the Music Industry - and somehow / someway lil things like this stick in his head and wins at trivia-lol (Cheats)

And yes. Looked it up and.. Sure enough he is right (as usual) and, he is American – NY State born.

http:///goweezer/canada/cananhist.htm


(and, some of y'all think I'm just a lil beachbum redneck -lol) I got me some real 'Ed-u-ma-Kated' buds..-lol

[LargeandinchargE]

First off, "I ain't gonna take no more" of this fightin' lol

Secondly, guys, seriously, the song's out. It was leaked. We can't do anything about it now. There's no reason for all of us here to be bickering back in forth in one of the ONLY places that we can all come together and be fans.

We need to be happy (like some people have said) that there is REAL music being made (I'm talking lyrics and EVERYTHING lol) and it just happened to get into the wrong hands. But at least we have something to look forward to this. I love this song! This is exactly the kind of stuff I was saying he SHOULD be writing about. I think if some people heard this song on the radio right now, they wouldn't have any idea that it was Aaron (and therefore wouldn't remember back to "Aaron's Party" days, etc.) This is great song he could transition back into the music industry with. If this isn't the song he can use anymore though, then obviously there's more where it came from which is awesome!

Let's stop being all b***** with eachother and be grateful that we at least have something. Do I believe people should rip off artists by leaking their songs? No, but do I download leaks? Absolutely. Everyone does. Can you blame anyone hear for being happy this got leaked? NO! lol.

Come on peeps, seriously...


I'm sorry to have to disagree with you, but to understand the gravity of what has happened here and how it may have very negative repercussions for Aaron kinda throws a damper on the whole "happy" thing for me.

Any fan who wants to see him become a success again some day really should feel the same way. I'm baffled.

[HollyBird]

hahaha.. impressive..

thanks for that, I think we all needed that..

you learn something new everyday..

[BeMiCon88]

hahaha.. impressive..

thanks for that, I think we all needed that..

you learn something new everyday..

very true and we've learned A LOT these past few weeks...

[HollyBird]

we have learned textbooks full..

[Pnutz]

holy crap. I felt like I just read a novel.. A long-music-industry tell-all. fascinating...

Very, very interesting and thought-provoking.. I learned a lot in reading all this and now better understand the situation now. Some things I didn't know. I am glad I am much more aware of how it all works, I hope he can find his way, I know he can, and he still keeps on trying to get a deal. He's got mad talent and I hope he can make it work, if he wants too.

Thanks to pnutz, reps to you forever.. You have opened all our eyes to what was really going on, and I am forever appreciative and thank you for clearing up it all to us, who otherwise wouldn't have known. Also, whether or not anyone tells you, you taught us a lot about the whole process and what aaron is really trying to do. Thank you again.

Holly Sadly, from what I Understand, And, If I was in the position to Actually Know - then I wouldn't be in the position or, allowed to say. (cough) But, that IS the Big problem - Who Does Know what he is Trying to Do? It Seems that it Changes from Day to Day and.. depends on what 'Appetizer's' are being served at the "Cook-out's" that Somehow Make some very questionable sudden jumps -at least in the eyes of bystanders. or, In say my case - If I go Fishing - yes the same fish can and will bite at different 'Bait' and react differently to Different 'Bait' under different conditions - Some Swallow the Bait and the HOOK - and become Dinner - Others are able to 'Spit' the Hook and be wise to the 'Bait' next time around. yet. live to be 'fished' again - only soo many times can a fish manage to 'spit' and.. I'm worried.

[Pnutz]

And.. sry,, i'm a ditz lol should have added this - There are also the 'smart' fish , that will surge toward a lure or bait and get the other fish to snatch it first and that way know if its real food or a trap - watch some game fish sometime - they sit back and watch the glittery lil things spining round and round and even will move out of its way as not to be snagged by accident. And just sit back and watch and maybe make a dash now and then but being very careful not to latch it.

then there are the jumper's that slam bang full hit 1st pass,

Aaron is a VERY VERY smart person - A LOT smarter than some people credit him with - I only Hope and Pray he is watching the glitter and not falling for it.

and.. with that one I'm sure i have several Englishmen very very nervous about how many zero's they will have to write -soo,, i must refrain.

[HollyBird]

Holly Sadly, from what I Understand, And, If I was in the position to Actually Know - then I wouldn't be in the position or, allowed to say. (cough) But, that IS the Big problem - Who Does Know what he is Trying to Do? It Seems that it Changes from Day to Day and.. depends on what 'Appetizer's' are being served at the "Cook-out's" that Somehow Make some very questionable sudden jumps -at least in the eyes of bystanders. or, In say my case - If I go Fishing - yes the same fish can and will bite at different 'Bait' and react differently to Different 'Bait' under different conditions - Some Swallow the Bait and the HOOK - and become Dinner - Others are able to 'Spit' the Hook and be wise to the 'Bait' next time around. yet. live to be 'fished' again - only soo many times can a fish manage to 'spit' and.. I'm worried.


Thanks for replying.. wow, yeah.. thank you for putting it into terms we can all understand.. LOL. fishing metaphors, only on LD. Only thing we can do is pray.. It is confusing and frustrating for us, because for the most part we have heard nothing of real anything, for years. Other then, I am in the studio, blahh blah blah.. but that has been about it. I wish he was more open so we would have more of an idea of what he really plans on doing.. Somedays it feels like we have just been left out in the dark, ya know? If anything, I don't know.. Then to hear about this whole mess with whoever and I can see how easily he is swayed into doing any and everything, when really he knows he shouldn't.. His mind says one thing, his heart says another.. That is just how I see it, but I could be totally wrong.. Then with the song being released, don't know if that was the best thing that could have happened, or the worst thing?? I am guessing not a good thing. It is upsetting because we have just been on the edge of our seats for awhile now, waiting and hoping for something..

[HollyBird]

And.. sry,, i'm a ditz lol should have added this - There are also the 'smart' fish , that will surge toward a lure or bait and get the other fish to snatch it first and that way know if its real food or a trap - watch some game fish sometime - they sit back and watch the glittery lil things spining round and round and even will move out of its way as not to be snagged by accident. And just sit back and watch and maybe make a dash now and then but being very careful not to latch it.

then there are the jumper's that slam bang full hit 1st pass,

Aaron is a VERY VERY smart person - A LOT smarter than some people credit him with - I only Hope and Pray he is watching the glitter and not falling for it.

and.. with that one I'm sure i have several Englishmen very very nervous about how many zero's they will have to write -soo,, i must refrain.

I know he is smart, just hope as you said he is staying smart/watching, and not falling for it..

[HollyBird]

hahaha, soon we're gonna need our own thread, pnutz with us and our long responses..

we're such talkers :)

[Pnutz]

Even today, if there was even a slight peep from him saying something- anything - hell, even blasting me or, telling me to shut it or posting I'm wrong or anything hell, I don't care i'm a big boy -Ive taken heat before and would gladly take it now if it helped soothe things.. Or a Lil Note in retrospect and saying anything along the lines of Oh yeah He let it Out and its Ok or forgot he told someone to do it. --or, ANYTHING -I think we would all feel a lot better. And. we all can be pretty sure he is aware of what is happening --yet???????

[ac_fan]

i didnt think the song had been leaked since angel put the link on her twitter page. sorry i havent read the whole thread because it is wayyyy too long.

[LargeandinchargE]

i didnt think the song had been leaked since angel put the link on her twitter page. sorry i havent read the whole thread because it is wayyyy too long.


Angel did that long after the damage had already been done.

[Dnicki07]

Talking about missing alot while asleep... lol

[Dnicki07]

Angel did that long after the damage had already been done.

By the time Angel posted the link, the song had already been downloaded 1200 times.

[AaronsShorty]

Angel did that long after the damage had already been done.

check ur msgs

and yeah its crazy i googled it and the song is all over tons of blogs :noway:

[HollyBird]

craziness..

WOW..

the madness lives on..

[Pnutz]

Anywaz guys I g2g - much love and peace
and, I'm glad that those that did hear it are pleased - and, that now if you look back certain people were trying but unable to say flat out -that not only has he been doing "Some' Stuff but.. its Dyno-mite and well worth the wait including the Studio etc.

but sad because of the way the one clip was released like a thief in the night sneaking out the back door after being invited inside under the warmth and openness of friendship by one hell of a good person in heart that trusted them.

[HollyBird]

Even today, if there was even a slight peep from him saying something- anything - hell, even blasting me or, telling me to shut it or posting I'm wrong or anything hell, I don't care i'm a big boy -Ive taken heat before and would gladly take it now if it helped soothe things.. Or a Lil Note in retrospect and saying anything along the lines of Oh yeah He let it Out and its Ok or forgot he told someone to do it. --or, ANYTHING -I think we would all feel a lot better. And. we all can be pretty sure he is aware of what is happening --yet???????

yeah, I am sure he is remaining pretty quiet, I am guessing..

[HollyBird]

Anywaz guys I g2g - much love and peace
and, I'm glad that those that did hear it are pleased - and, that now if you look back certain people were trying but unable to say flat out -that not only has he been doing "Some' Stuff but.. its Dyno-mite and well worth the wait including the Studio etc.

but sad because of the way the one clip was released like a thief in the night sneaking out the back door after being invited inside under the warmth and openness of friendship by one hell of a good person in heart that trusted them.

yeah we loved it, well worth the wait.. yeah, that is sad whoever did release it.. have a blessed day, ttys..

[HollyBird]

check ur msgs

and yeah its crazy i googled it and the song is all over tons of blogs :noway:

oh my. I didn't know that.. :blueeek:

[AaronsShorty]

oh my. I didn't know that.. :blueeek:

yeah...not good...but it happened.

[HollyBird]

yeah I guess the blogs would be talking..

[AaronsShorty]

yeah I guess the blogs would be talking..

yeah...its crazy

[HollyBird]

yeah...its crazy

oh I can only imagine what they are saying..

[AaronsShorty]

oh I can only imagine what they are saying..

google search his name and new single and the name of it and see for yourself. nothing positive from what i've read.

[HollyBird]

I don't know if I even wanna know.. the haters are gonna talk regardless..

[Dnicki07]

I don't know if I even wanna know.. the haters are gonna talk regardless..

That's true...

[HollyBird]

yeah it is, I was waiting on someone to say something about angel's latest twitter...

[HollyBird]

confusing as HECK....

blahhhh

[LargeandinchargE]

confusing as HECK....

blahhhh


Angel is certainly not going to explain all the potential ramifications of the song being leaked....that is if she even understands them herself.

Most likely, she's handling it exactly how she was told to handle it. :wink:

[HollyBird]

yeah I guess you're right, was almost comical to me.. at this point..

Like aaron himself can't say anything, about anything. but you have his sister asking the questions, he should be asking.. Just almost funny to me..

Again, I am sure she is only doing what she was told..

[blitze1471]

I'm sorry to have to disagree with you, but to understand the gravity of what has happened here and how it may have very negative repercussions for Aaron kinda throws a damper on the whole "happy" thing for me.

Any fan who wants to see him become a success again some day really should feel the same way. I'm baffled.


What kind of negative "repercussions" are you referring to?

My whole point is this, there's NO REASON for people on here to sit back and forth and just be constantly picking at everything everyone has to say and half of it truly isn't even constructive. If people want to elaborate on things (Pnutz, HollyBird,etc.) that's fine. I used those two since that half of this longgg thread. lmao.

Are you saying that because people are enjoying this song are fans that DON'T want him to succeed again in the industry?

I'm just looking for more elaboration here. As I said, it shouldn't have been leaked and obviously it got into the wrong hands. However, it's good to know that he is writing and actually recording music that includes both lyrics and music. If people enjoy the leak, they enjoy it. I really don't see any harm in that. So, feel free to elaborate.

[HollyBird]

ooh I feel so special. thanks.. I am such a talker, kinda bad.. My typing skills are improving on a daily basis..

[LargeandinchargE]

What kind of negative "repercussions" are you referring to?

My whole point is this, there's NO REASON for people on here to sit back and forth and just be constantly picking at everything everyone has to say and half of it truly isn't even constructive. If people want to elaborate on things (Pnutz, HollyBird,etc.) that's fine. I used those two since that half of this longgg thread. lmao.

Are you saying that because people are enjoying this song are fans that DON'T want him to succeed again in the industry?

I'm just looking for more elaboration here. As I said, it shouldn't have been leaked and obviously it got into the wrong hands. However, it's good to know that he is writing and actually recording music that includes both lyrics and music. If people enjoy the leak, they enjoy it. I really don't see any harm in that. So, feel free to elaborate.


You need to read PNutz's posts in this thread. He explained the potential negative repercussions of this song being leaked as well as anyone ever could.

What I'm saying is that only fans who do not understand the gravity of what has happened are going to be "happy" about it.

I can never be "happy" about an occurrence that could potentially cause Aaron's career so much harm.

[AaronsShorty]

I don't know if I even wanna know.. the haters are gonna talk regardless..

true that!

[HollyBird]

yo, yoda you got mail

[HollyBird]

true that!

:cool:

[HollyBird]

I think I am gonna have a little cookout of my own tommorrow down at the pool, hahaha. all this talk of cookouts. LOL

[HollyBird]

laying down on the couch, this is better

[HollyBird]

hahahaha, and my laptop battery lasts a good 10 WHOLE MINUTES, lol...

[AaronsShorty]

so i was just sitting in my room sweating cuz its so hot outside and then it randomly started pouring so i ran outside and danced in the rain and i just have to tell you i've never felt so free! it felt amazing! everyone needs to try it at least once in their life.

and now i'm soaked but it was totally worth it! :D

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Let's stop being all b***** with eachother and be grateful that we at least have something. Do I believe people should rip off artists by leaking their songs? No, but do I download leaks? Absolutely. Everyone does. Can you blame anyone hear for being happy this got leaked? NO! lol..


People can do what they want, but not everyone downloads leaks. I know I sure don't. I don't download illegal music, period.

[HollyBird]

so i was just sitting in my room sweating cuz its so hot outside and then it randomly started pouring so i ran outside and danced in the rain and i just have to tell you i've never felt so free! it felt amazing! everyone needs to try it at least once in their life.

and now i'm soaked but it was totally worth it! :D

I would love that.. so much fun..

[AaronsShorty]

I would love that.. so much fun..

its amazing lol tons of fun! :)

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Finally caught up and all I can say is WOW. :nc:

[HollyBird]

took the words right outta my mouth

[BSBSavedMyLife]

It's making my eye twitch at people going OMG PASS AROUND AARON'S NEW SONG!!! WEEEE!!!! Argh! Leaked material is leaked material. Yeah, so what, it's free game, but I got too much respect for Aaron to just pass it around like it's no big deal. Am I making any sense?

[HollyBird]

yep rach, you might be alone on that one, I mean his sister was passing around the link, but I respect your decision.. and I am sure he would too.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

yep rach, you might be alone on that one, I mean his sister was passing around the link, but I respect your decision.. and I am sure he would too.

Psh! What else is new. Once a black sheep, always a black sheep. When am I ever going not going to be surprised by this stuff? :noway:

[HollyBird]

I acknowledge you that and it is very impressive rach, don't beat yourself over it..

we need more people like you out there..

[BSBSavedMyLife]

I acknowledge you that and it is very impressive rach, don't beat yourself over it..

we need more people like you out there..

If there were more people out there like me, there would be no LD. :roll:

[HollyBird]

why do you say that???

[Dnicki07]

Because LD feeds off of drama. lol

[BSBSavedMyLife]

why do you say that???

Because then no one would have anything to add onto LD. LD is full of drama and arguments. If everyone thought like I did, no arguments would arise cuz I hate to argue.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Because LD feeds off of drama. lol

LMAO! Someone understood me. Thank goodness! :p

[smeagols_twin]

I hate to argue for the sake of arguing but i don't mind a healthy discussion. Understanding what Pnutz has kindly posted i agree with the whole "damage is done" but how can you blame people who don't know for spreading it when a lot of them just think the record company or artist is behind it. The fact it's being posted on blogs shows that atleast the posters think it's worthy of something.

I have a question though. Now the song has leaked and Angel wants people to hear assuming she has aaron's permission can we perhaps advertise it? I am only asking this as i figure it may help aaron now it's out there. You know get some hype up espescially for old fans that may not have followed him for years.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

I hate to argue for the sake of arguing but i don't mind a healthy discussion. Understanding what Pnutz has kindly posted i agree with the whole "damage is done" but how can you blame people who don't know for spreading it when a lot of them just think the record company or artist is behind it. The fact it's being posted on blogs shows that atleast the posters think it's worthy of something.

I have a question though. Now the song has leaked and Angel wants people to hear assuming she has aaron's permission can we perhaps advertise it? I am only asking this as i figure it may help aaron now it's out there. You know get some hype up espescially for old fans that may not have followed him for years.

I'm not putting the blame on anyone. I'm just saying it annoys me. I think annoyance isn't that bad of an emotion in this situation. People can do what they want. All I know is that regardless of who's advertising it, in my opinion, unless it was Aaron himself, I think it shouldn't be messed with. I don't support people spreading it around, but I'm not gonna breathe down their neck about it. Will I voice my opinion and aggravation? Sure, I will. However, I'm not immature enough to bash people for doing it. Ignorance would be more the word for it. Doing something without knowing any better. Very typical of people to become sheep instead of learning all the aspects before following the crowd. *shrugs* Like I said, do what you want. I just don't feel comfortable with it when he's not said anything about the song to begin with. Knowing that there's a chance that he never wanted it out there is enough for me to be hesitant about advertising the leaked material.

[HollyBird]

the day we hear something from aaron will be the day we see those flying pigs..

[BSBSavedMyLife]

the day we hear something from aaron will be the day we see those flying pigs..

Don't say that. Even though the last time was in a bad situation, we still heard from him. Statement likes that would be what makes a person want to quit. Don't ever lose that faith. People close to him don't say he's hopeless, we shouldn't either.

[blitze1471]

Well, advertising is one thing and then just listening to a song for personal enjoyment is another. I think that this entire thing about this leaked song has been blown way out of proportion. Aaron would not be the first person to have a leaked song and I haven't ever heard of anyone's career or success of someones career being all that jeopardized from one leaked track. No offense to anything anyone has said here contradicting that statement, but that's purely my opinion.

I feel like there are some judgements being made about people's character here, and I don't think many of us on this board know each other personally. So, implieing that certain people are immature or complete mindless human beings or whatever is a judgement that really isn't anyone's call to make. Just because someone downloads music doesn't mean their ignorant, etc. It just means that they don't wanna spend, what, 14-17 bucks to buy an album that has maybe 2 or 3 good songs on it. Which, I think most of us know, with albums these days that's all you're gonna get...2 or 3 good songs and then you take the CD outta the player and pop in another...

[HollyBird]

Don't say that. Even though the last time was in a bad situation, we still heard from him. Statement likes that would be what makes a person want to quit. Don't ever lose that faith. People close to him don't say he's hopeless, we shouldn't either.

I know, okay my bad.. I am trying so hard to keep the faith, it isn't easy.. I guess when you've got your sister talking for you. makes a person wonder..
anyways, I am keeping the faith..

for now and always..

[BSBSavedMyLife]

Well, advertising is one thing and then just listening to a song for personal enjoyment is another. I think that this entire thing about this leaked song has been blown way out of proportion. Aaron would not be the first person to have a leaked song and I haven't ever heard of anyone's career or success of someones career being all that jeopardized from one leaked track. No offense to anything anyone has said here contradicting that statement, but that's purely my opinion.

I feel like there are some judgements being made about people's character here, and I don't think many of us on this board know each other personally. So, implieing that certain people are immature or complete mindless human beings or whatever is a judgement that really isn't anyone's call to make. Just because someone downloads music doesn't mean their ignorant, etc. It just means that they don't wanna spend, what, 14-17 bucks to buy an album that has maybe 2 or 3 good songs on it. Which, I think most of us know, with albums these days that's all you're gonna get...2 or 3 good songs and then you take the CD outta the player and pop in another...

I know Aaron's not the first person to have leaked material. I'm just saying on how it effects him in his situation. I'm done arguing that topic because it's beating a dead horse, pretty much. I've always been one who's opinions differ from everyone else's, so I automatically expect people to disagree with me.

I'm assuming that last statement was toward me, so let me word this differently since I'm apparently the mindless one who can't seem to get my point across without annoying the crap out of someone. What I'm saying is that people don't stop to think of how certain things effect others. I highly doubt the vast majority of people advertising the song are thinking of how Aaron might feel about it. I've always been someone who thinks of other people's feelings before my own. So, like I said, without knowing how he feels personally on the issue, I don't feel comfortable advertising the material. I don't agree with anyone else doing it either. Like I've said before, I'm not going to bash people for doing it. I can't control other people's actions and I'm certainly not going to give myself an ulcer over it. I have my opinions and I'm not gonna back down from them. People can and will do what they want. I stand by by decision.

[smeagols_twin]

Well, advertising is one thing and then just listening to a song for personal enjoyment is another. I think that this entire thing about this leaked song has been blown way out of proportion. Aaron would not be the first person to have a leaked song and I haven't ever heard of anyone's career or success of someones career being all that jeopardized from one leaked track. No offense to anything anyone has said here contradicting that statement, but that's purely my opinion.

I feel like there are some judgements being made about people's character here, and I don't think many of us on this board know each other personally. So, implieing that certain people are immature or complete mindless human beings or whatever is a judgement that really isn't anyone's call to make. Just because someone downloads music doesn't mean their ignorant, etc. It just means that they don't wanna spend, what, 14-17 bucks to buy an album that has maybe 2 or 3 good songs on it. Which, I think most of us know, with albums these days that's all you're gonna get...2 or 3 good songs and then you take the CD outta the player and pop in another...


Not even that lol I would've paid the money to hear it. I think the ignorance comes from the fact that I as merely a fan don't understand what is going on behind the scenes and why would I? I understand PopStarDancer being annoyed but the thing is with leaked songs 7 or 8 times out of 10 they are released by the label or artist without them announcing it to test the waters so with this song i assumed it was meant to be leaked if you get me. I don't think people should be annoyed with leaks as it is now one way artists are getting their name out there. For someone reason it mysteriously appearing on a website rather than on an official rating site seems to create more buzz.

Also i suspect sometimes artists go behind the record companys back or vice versa so they can get feedback on a song and hopefully get the single they WANT released rather than something that has no feedback and is a political choice.

[BSBSavedMyLife]

I know, okay my bad.. I am trying so hard to keep the faith, it isn't easy.. I guess when you've got your sister talking for you. makes a person wonder..
anyways, I am keeping the faith..

for now and always..


Again, we don't know what her intentions are. She could've been throwing it out there for the sake of it. She could've been told to do it. We just don't know. Think what you want, but giving up on him would be a mistake.

[HollyBird]

Again, we don't know what her intentions are. She could've been throwing it out there for the sake of it. She could've been told to do it. We just don't know. Think what you want, but giving up on him would be a mistake.

oh I know that, and nothing against angel whatsoever, more of the principal of it all.. I think even if I tried, I couldn't give up on him.. not now, not ever..

[AaronsShorty]

this is never gunna end

[HollyBird]

how to catch someone in a lie???

any ideas..

[HollyBird]

I know off-topic, but I need some advise

[blitze1471]

I know Aaron's not the first person to have leaked material. I'm just saying on how it effects him in his situation. I'm done arguing that topic because it's beating a dead horse, pretty much. I've always been one who's opinions differ from everyone else's, so I automatically expect people to disagree with me.

I'm assuming that last statement was toward me, so let me word this differently since I'm apparently the mindless one who can't seem to get my point across without annoying the crap out of someone. What I'm saying is that people don't stop to think of how certain things effect others. I highly doubt the vast majority of people advertising the song are thinking of how Aaron might feel about it. I've always been someone who thinks of other people's feelings before my own. So, like I said, without knowing how he feels personally on the issue, I don't feel comfortable advertising the material. I don't agree with anyone else doing it either. Like I've said before, I'm not going to bash people for doing it. I can't control other people's actions and I'm certainly not going to give myself an ulcer over it. I have my opinions and I'm not gonna back down from them. People can and will do what they want. I stand by by decision.

I wasn't annoyed exactly and not neccesarily by you. I was just getting a general picture that some things were going around that sounded a lot like judgements. I wasn't about to point the finger at anyone in particular.

You have your opinions and you stick to them, that's fabulous. I guess my whole point is why are we still crying over spilt milk? Ya know? It happened, some people are taking advantage of it more than others. It's at the point now where all you can do is throw your hands up in the air and say "whatever.." lol

[HollyBird]

well my roommate has been telling me she lived in liverpool, england, she didn't know I used to live in london. Basically for weeks I have waiting to catch her in a lie.

[HollyBird]

get thid, this is the real FUNNY part, she tells me she remembers nothing, hahahhahahahaha

[HollyBird]

I could tell you I have my old yearbooks, the street I lived on, the stores near by, the sights, the sounds ....

[HollyBird]

sorry I had to vent...

[HollyBird]

okay, I will have to just figure it out on my own..

[BsBrOx]

okay, I will have to just figure it out on my own..

awww..haha

i know what you mean though..but i dont know what to do about it either..i just gave up

[AaronsShorty]

its been a hell of a day

[BsBrOx]

its been a hell of a day

why what happened?? mine was pretty blahhhh...

[HollyBird]

peeps I am freaking out..

I need some real advise..

[AaronsShorty]

why what happened?? mine was pretty blahhhh...

got into a fight with my one friend :greyno:
if you're reading this i'm sorry & i love you!

and then i got into a huge fight with my best friend (we never fight! ever!) :bluesad:

hopefully both of these things will be back to normal in the morning or else i may go crazy.